s_t_f's journal

Hi, all I figured this will be the place to post all my activity with mones instead of making new posts every time. This first post I will explain a little bit about myself. I will try to be as honest as I can, so if you are here to judge please leave now.Then the posts to follow will be my experiences. Well here it goes.

Age:31 (2/25/81)
Sex:Male
Nationality: American
Heritage: 50% Armenian/ 50% German
Personality: I am not really that shy, but I don’t do well in crowds, especially when other guys are present. I’m not afraid to talk to the hottest girl in the room but often feel as if she wouldn’t be interested. This is not because of looks, but moreso I don’t veiw myself as the alpha. I also have found out that I give off certain vibes. I have been told by numerous girls that I’m unapproachable. They are very attracted to me but their is something that steers them clear. I’m nothing special and I don’t make a big deal out of myself. I have been told by numerous gf’s that all I want is sex and I can’t be trusted and that I’m a player. These are all false statements. I have never and will never cheat. I’m honest about everything, well I try to be as honest as I can be. I am 100% faithful even if I’m getting screwed over. I have been told by gf’s friends that I give off a rapey/killy vibe, WTF? I have a very hard time connecting in groups, but do very well one on one if I can get it to that point.

So basically my search with mones is to be viewed as a trustworthy guy by everyone.

guys: I want the respect and demenar of a alpha without guys being intimidated or aggressive.

girls; I want a ltr where the girl is all about me with no worries. I give off a very natural untrusting scent I guess.

I will post my arsenol later.

I’m going out to a softball game tonight to meet a girl I have never seen before. We have texted a bunch and my number was given to her by a mutual friend. I already know I’m not interested in her but still want to get out and test some mones. Here is my line up in ordered applied.

1 spray IG to front of neck
2 sprays ammo se2012 to each collar bone
3 sprays IO to jaw line on each side and under chin
4 sprays IS 1 to back of neck 1 to each wrist shared with elbows 1 to chest.
Tonihgt I will be using CK Free as a cover scent I have never done this before so we’ll see.

Let’s go get em’

Tonight went well. I brought my 3 month old chocolate lab puppy with me and she got a lot of attention. And as a result I got a lot of attention. I know a lot of the attention was from Piper, my puppy. BUT, I did get a girls number and she didn’t seem to want to stop talking to me. I also, met the one girls friend and was chatting it up with her and also was invited out several times by her friend. So now I’m at home dropping the pup off and changing.

Also I’m going to add some mones before I go out. Here is my additions:

2 sprays of IH
2 sprays of mx297
1 spray of ammo se2012

Ill report back when I get home. and note this is the First time Ihave been invited out to a bar in my home town in about a year and a half. The only people I will know for sure are the two girls I met for the first time tonight. So we’ll see how going to a bar not knowing anyone turns out!

None and 297 never works for me, it gives me a ghosting effect all the time. I prefer P75 over Ammo/TuTH/A314, ect when using MX297.

What is a ghosting effect?

So I’m home from the bar, I had more than usual eye contact from girls tonight. I also noticed that the girls I was with wouldn’t wonder too far. I was very quiet and not very talkative but they seemed to want to be around me even though I was acting kinda boring. Whenever I would go get a reload on my drink I would walk all the way to the other end of the bar to try to pass the scent around. I noticed that the girls I was with were like watching me and checking up on me. I talked to someother girls while waiting to be served and when I turned to my group those girls would not stop staring.

All in all, I got two phone numbers today. One from a complete stranger that has been texting me and wants me to come watch her play softball tomorrow. And the other from the best friend of the girl that invited me out. I could have pulled more numbers, but didn’t want to seem rude.

Let me know what you think about my day and night. I plan on placing an order for some p83, p75, and “?” very soon, well once I have an extra 60-100 bucks to spend.

Also I would like to comment that I felt like I smelled way too strong, no one made any remarks but I could def. smell me!

Ghosting is an OD where people simply avoid you due to your pheromone signiture.

I would recommend P74 (Boyfriend kind of effect, Crush effect with IH). It is great and if you are venturing into P75 and P63 it is another great one.

Thank you kimba, is their a place to find out what putatives are associated with what reaction? I’m not looking for specifics as I want to be as unbiased as possible, just want a general reference. What is the purpose of p63?

I mistyped. I intended top type P83. I have no idea what P63 does.

Their is no Putative list. The best way is to search.

Here is a good list of more popular one’s:

http://www.pheromonetalk.com/pheromones-469267-post7.html

Also, the user THE GHOST has a good list with some onm it. Journals are a great place to look into for some idea on what they do.

Been super busy, so I will recap for you.

Monday:

2 sprays ammo s.e.2012
3 sprays IS
3 sprays IO

Didn’t really come in too much contact with anyone, I was kind of in my own world. But the one hit I guess I got was the casheir at walmart. I was buying a fit planner to track my weight loss and it turned out to be $16 not the advertised $4. I really didn’t want to wait so I said " It’s already paid for so I’ll just take it." she then began to describe to me her frugal way of life and how cheap she is, and went into way too much detail about certain things. I was the last customer in her line and I found out she was heading to break. Even after I was done paying and checking out while slowly inching away from the register she kept on try to convers. Even after several " have fun on your break, and enjoy the rest of your night" comments, she just didn’t want to stop talking to me. I’m guessing that was the IO at work.

Tue:

3 sprays of ammo s.e.2012

I decided it’s time to start sweet spot testing individual mones as I never really did this. I’ll explain in another post why. I ended up taking my dog to my sister’s house to play with my nephews. No real notice in change of anything with my family. I did run to b&n to pick up a book and the clerk was more than friendly but that was because of the book I was picking up, he also read it and we eguaged in one of the friendliest conversations I have had with another male in a while. It is called “the secret” I recomend it to anyone and everyone if you really want to change you current circumstances or life!!! anyways I pretty much just noticed I was in a really good mood. I ended up getting a horrible headache after about 5 hours of application.

Wed:

3 sprays IG

Today I was meeting with yet another Dr. about my back. I ended up seeing the Dr. that gave me my first injections in my back. When I got to the Dr’s office I walked up to the check in counter. As soon as I got about two feet behind the gentleman already at the counter, he turned around sized me up and said, " why don’t you go ahead of me." I said it’s ok as you were here first. He insisted I go first. he said’ " I wouldn’t want to get in the way of a guy like you." I insisted their was nothing special about me and I could wait my turn but he just wouldn’t have it. THe first time I have gotten respect like that from another guy. Definately felt alpha in that situation. Once in the Dr.s office I explained that I wanted some muscle relaxers and he prescribed them without a hassle. As the appt. ended he shook my hand numerous times, and showed me respect like I was the Dr. This definately put me in a good mood.

Thursday:

3 sprays of ammo s.e. 2012

Went to the dog park and of coarse me and my puppy had to be in the small dog area pretty much alone. Piper, my puppy which is a chocolate lad, was sm=niffing anohter grown up choco lab through the fence. I went over and talked to the owners. John and Steph, bf and gf. She kept smiling and staring would not leave the fence side and just all around showed interest. Def got some hits from her the short period of time we talked. Even in front of her bf. I feel good!

Now off to work! I’ll post more later as I have a busy weekend!

Ok buddy, I am here to help. :cool:

You are 31, good looking, just have a problem striking a solid connection that lasts.

I am going to skip the normal “What type and age of woman do you want” and dive into the meat, as plenty of other users can advise on solid blends that have been used hundreds of times.

You intimidate women. If you are considered “Hot” by women they already are intimidated. When you use IG you are so Alpha than men bend over for you. I do not think that being Alpha is the problem. If it were, a dab of A314 under your nose for self effects is enough to make you congruent,. But this will further isolate you from who you are after.

To meet a gal, you need a Hook. A hook is something which sets you apart from other guys. Yours may be your looks. If you can approach a woman, get her to respond and get some relationships, you know how to do this dance.

Then you need to connect. If your long term relationships fails, you are never connecting.

Mone wise, you have two options for a ‘crush’ effect. A1 and MX412 give you a crush effect on a physical level. A1 can lead to depression in some men, so be wary. Then you have the crush effect from socials, P74 and IH. They give off the boyfriend vibe quick. It can be friend zone, but your actions can dictate other wise.

How to be Alpha? How to stay outside the friend zone? All in the same. Touch, leading, intentions. Hug, hold hands, and push the envelope physically quick. Lead her, make her know you are the man and in charge. Direct her. And your intentions. Stay on your purpose. If she wants to talk about something negative or friendly, change the topic. She knows that 9/10 guys who approach want something, she is not stupid. So do not beat around the bush.

Small talk kills early stage interactions. It goes from non-personal to personal to sexual topics. So first is weather, then is where does she live, and third is how was her first sexual experience.

If you ramp up the touching and your subject matter for conversation, you will not get friend zones, she will know your intentions and you will be Alpha for doing so.

If you do all this, you still will not have a connection. You can lead, get her hooked, have attraction, and she may want to sleep with you. P74 and IH establish a primal connection. With leading and the P74, IH combo, P83 could be priceless, she will be attracted and act.

But we still have a commitment issue. An intimidation issue. MX297, that you enjoy, could help. It has top notch self effects, is Beta-like to me (Not Alpha male), and party-esque. But 297 can give off the clown vibe and rides the fine line between best friend. All girls would love a friend who is fun, but odds are they do not want to marry “that guy” per se.

I love MX297, if you approach, and are Alpha it can be steered. A far as relationships go, I am in a relationship that plans to end when she goes cross-country back to school, and on my end it is open. She is only seeing me, and she knows I am looking around because she is leaving. I wear 297 around her (Note, drinking plus 297 get you hammered quickly) and we have a load of fun. Its a self amused blend. When I go out, to bars, or clubs, my entire premise is self amused, always has been. So MX297 is PERFECT for me.

I would NEVER wear MX297 during the day, I am busy, women are busy, they do not have time to chat with the fun guy. But they do have time to chat with the direct, Alpha man.

If at bars or clubs you are not the self amused guy, I would not advise MX297. It is not congruent. It will off put your intimidation, but at what cost?

So you go out at night, are Alpha, women already are intimidated. You need socials for women under 30, for over 35 you are good to go with some Ammo.

MX297 is the ultimate social mix, but as aforementioned is iffy for you. I would without a doubt go for IH and P74 as your connection mix. Add it to any attraction molecule (P75, Ammo, Summer Ammo, TuTH, ect) and you are good to go.

Establishing the connection is not enough. You need to feed this river water. Early stages you work on standing out, attraction. Once you have that you jump into what in the PUA world they call comfort.

What is the most effective way to solidify a connection? A compliment. Plain and simple. Compliment something unique to her. Her aura, a birthmark, a unique sense of fashion. Something non-physical. Boom, its another hook, that shows her you are interested.

Layer on IH/P74 with a steady way to solidify a connection and you are in.

Now we handle the last issue, the long-term relationship. Comfort, letting herself be who she wants to be. Sadly, PUA material does not help much, nor can I offer a wealth of knowledge, I am only 21. I do know I had a girlfriend want to marry me after 6 months, I had to break up with her because I was too young, and she moved too quick.

How did I hook her? Simple, really. For one, I always tease, cat and mouse if you will. Second, I compliment when she would generally impress me or make me happy. Third, I established that and why I needed her, and vice versa. And fourth, we openly discussed just about everything.

For one, I teased her religiously. This is why we cant have nice things, was that supposed to be a joke, thats cuts my little sister does it the same way, ect. Always being a bit sarcastic to keep her on her toes and interested.

Two is easier. If she does something nice for me, I compliment. In fact, I was open on things I did not like, and complimented what I did. Honest communication and she knew she was appreciated.

Three is natural. You can find something you have and she doesnt (A car, knowledge, a job) which many guys do, or do it the natural way. Plain and simple you are a man and she is a woman. She needs you and you need her. You are Alpha, strong, masculine, she is feminine, beta, and weak. You need her as much as she needs you. Establish these roles early and ensure you two are equals.

Fourth is what I would call the third date syndrome. First couple dates are fun and light. Third you two decide if you have substance to continue the relationship. I continue to expand on date three. We talk as much about our hopes, dreams, and past as much as what is going on in the moment. This was HUGE because it makes her realize you are a person, a regular person. A normal guy. It removes the intimidation and the stand-off vibe women may feel.

Lets bring this home, Mones are great but are the icing on the cake. You must be congruent with them. They help set a good first impression, so the P74 and IH crush mix is perfect to establish the connection. You need to keep the fire going always. Once you are in a relationship, keeping it dynamic is key. Tease, joke, compliment, and connect. Making a solid bond and giving her a reason to date you (Not friend) is hard. But most great relationships include a friendship within them.

Good luck mate, and other questions I would be glad to field as well.

First off thank you kimba I will definately take your advice.

Tonight:

3 sprays ammo s.e.2012
4 sprays IO

I feel like tonight was a waste of my mones. First off I had been up for about 25 hours before going out to dinner for my nephews bday. We went to texas roadhouse. Well when I got there, we were in the very back most secluded corner of the restaraunt and I got shoved in the back corner of the table. I was a min. of 8 feet away from the waiter. Yes you read that right, waiter. During the coarse of the dinner my family was in a bad mood, and when I tried goofing around with my nephews to try to lighten the atmosphere, it only got them in trouble. And when I said to relax I got yelled at. My first glass of water had dirt in and they charged me for the wrong thing. It was just a mess and a bad experience all around.

When I got home I was trying to find something to do and no one was respoanding I finally ended up just passing out and sleeping for a few hours. Now I’m up and debating on trying to go out or just chaulk this day up as a loss.!

I would still go out and do something. If even running to a store to buy eggs, you will interact with somebody and see how long the mones can last.

Today was a social experiment. You learned first hand mones cant force a situation positive/good.

Chalk everything up to a lesson learned.

Hey guys, sorry it’s been so long I have been soooo busy. Here is my update.

Two weekends ago I went to a b-day party for my nephews at my sisters house.

ammo s.e. 2 sprays
IO 3 sprays
IH 3 sprays
IS 3 spreys

Very typical responses, People were real chatty around me. At toys r us a casheir was waiting for the computer and kept trying to keep the conversation going. She even said I’m sorry I just have the need to talk right now. Also a couple of younger girls (20,21) kept tabs on me all night. When me and my brother in law and nephews went to thrpow the football and do guy stuff they came right along and did their best to hang with us even though they kept admitting they never do this kinda thing. So very typical results.

I didn’t wear any mones for the rest of the week due to overtime at work, I work in a fatory so I typically won’t apply any before work. And my dog had been sick so I didn’t go out at all. Now here is my next application and question.

I was kinda in a funk due to a kinda recent break up. Just one of the days I was missing her and kinda down on myself. So I decided to get out of the house and test ammo s.e. by its self. If you OD can it have negative effects on yourself?

ammo s.e. 3 sprays

It amplified my angriness, and it seemed to put people around me in an annoyed state. I was very quick to get frustrated with people and it seemed the like towards me. I have never wore 3 sprays by its self before. Does this sound like an OD?

Other than that I went out a few times and had typical results of socials. I wore some socials only to try to lighten my mood, and they did! I loved it! Over the long weekend this weekend I will try to test more and have one particular situation I already have planned. I will explain in th next post.

Ok, so on friday a friend of mine is coming over. She parties a lot and wants to quit drinking and get back to her weight where she was a few years ago. Well I work out all the time and I don’t hardly drink or go to the bars. She really wants to do p90x. So I told her that friday to come over around 6pm, we’ll hang out for a bit then do a workout from p90x so she can see if she likes it. Plus I said she will not want to go out after working out that hard so we can have a chill night in. Now I was thinking of having some mones on for when she came over before we worked out then apply some after the shower too. here are my thoughts.

Before working out I would have on

ammo 1 spray
IH 3 sprays

then hang out for a bit, then work out. We will shower and get cleaned up. After the shower I was thinking of trying TUTH. I have never used it before so what would be a good amount. Can you mix it with anything to enhance its effects or steer things more intimatly?

After workout and shower

TUTH ? sprays
anything else with TUTH?

Thanks in advance

Today.

1 spray ammo(se) to front of neck.

Nothing really happened today. I got gas and payed inside, everyone seemed to be their mundane self. Then I went to barnes and noble to look at some magazines and no hits again. After that I stopped in the grocery store to get some food. Once again no hits. I wasn’t really around anyone for long periods of time, but I will take this as I need to up my dose. Tomorrow I will use two sprays of ammo(se) and get out in public again.

I don’t really have any purpose to be out other than to test the mones. So I am trying to change my daily activities. I will grocery shop for one day at a time so I can get out in public more, I will stop by stores to window shop, go inside if i get fast food or pay for gas.

2 sprays of a314 1.29b one to neck one to wrists
3 sprays of IH to neck
3 sprays of p74(5mcg) to neck
2 sprays of p83(5mcg) to neck

Now lets see what happens

Ok, I went jimmy johns to grab a sandwich and was in and out fast so I fifnt notice anything outgof the ordinary. I got home and ate my sub as I waited for my girlfriend to come over. When she got there, she came in and gave me a hug. We chatted for a minute then started kissing. We then talked some more and I said I had to lay down for a few hours before work. I went to the bathroom sprayed my left wrist with on spray of tuth and my neck with one spray of 5mcg p83. When I got out to the living room she was sitting up in the the bed and laid down as I crawled in. She was very cuddly and huggy. As she came in for a kiss I put my left hand on her left cheek and made sure my wrist was near her nose as we kiseed. I then pulled away and gave her a hug putting her nose by my neck. We started fooling around and Within a matter of seconds her pants were coming off. And mind you this is the first time we have seen each other since a huge fight we had a week ago that left us not talking for 3 days and tgen questioning if we should just go our seperate ways.

That same night after I woke up before work I added:
A314 1.29b- one spray to the neck and one shared between my wrists
IS2x- one spray to the front and one to the back of my neck

Once a gain I got treated with more respect at work. And my operator seemed to be in a chilled mood just wanting to have fun. He was way more talkative towards me and all around just nicer. I love going to work with a314 1.29b on. I wonder how the oil would do.

IH -3 sprays to left, front, right of neck
Ammo (se) - 1 spray to front of neck
P83 (5mcg) - 2 sprays to wrists, 1 spray to forearm, 1 spray to neck (20mcg total)
P74 (5mcg) - 3 sprays to left, front, right of neck (15mcg total)

I picked my girlfriend up from work Saturday and she was sorta in a bad mood which is typical ( she is an emergency room tech). Well after we got home and kinda got settled and she was out of her scrubs she started to be kinda flirty/grabby/kissy and bubbly. She was also talkative in a girly kinda way. She is typically not like this, she is usually reserved and shutdown, especially after work.well the night was winding down and she crawled into bed and turned her shows on. I went into the bathroom and applied the following.

Tuth - 1 spray to wrist
P83 (5mcg) - 1 spray to forearm and 1 ro neck (10mcg total)

We were spooming and she was holding my hand and kind of squeezing my hand in a pulsing motion.she would continually twist her head ba k looking for a kiss goodnight as she was dozing off. I could tell she was way too tired to wake up for sex so i decided to just close my eyes and let her fall asleep. As I went off to dream land I had the craziest dream ever. As someone was trying to kill me by messing with my car by trying to get me to crash. I ran into JZ and Beyonce at an auction and Beyonce kept flirting with me and talking ish about JZ and then she insisted we have sex and I was like what about JZ? She said he wouldn’t care and even told him and asked if he cared. After we escaped the killer bees that were chasing us, he insisted it was all good. Then we did it in a room with him right there. It was super weird. Cant remember having such a weird vivid dream.

I seem to have vivid dreams when using p83 before bed.

2/3/13

P74 (5mcg)- 4 sprays to left, front, right, and back of neck
IG(30ml)- 1 spray to left wrist rubbed with right wrist, 1 spray to front of neck
P83 (5mcg)- 3 sprays to left, front, and right of neck.

I needed to get out of the house and decided to run some errands. I stopped by my sister’s house and never made it very far after that. I ended up just hanging out with her and my nephews. We decided to order wings and watch the first half of the super bowl todegther. I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary, other than maybe a feeling of being respected a little more. When I went to pick up the wings I saw a guy from my work that i see at this bar every Sunday but we have never spoke. He works in design and I work in the factory. I introduced myself and we talked until my wings were ready. I guess I felt a little more confident and alpha than normal, hmmmm?

After the half was over I went to pick up my girlfriend from work and we had a decent night. We laid down and watched the rest of the super bowl. Well I did, she passed out. Then I soon fell asleep shortly after it was done.

All in all I felt more alpha and more respected. Might use this mix again.

Monday(2/4/13)morning I decided to see what effects p74 would have by itself so before my theropy I applied 5 sprays of p74 (5mcg) for a total of 25mcg. I didnt really notice anything out of the ordinary. When I got home I crawled back into bed with my girlfriend and went back to sleep.

Tuesday(2/5/13) I decided to only use three sprays of p74 (5mcg) for a total of 15mcg. I found myself to be irradiated very easily. When on my way to my girlfriends house I called and we got into an argument over her attitude and I just turned around and went home. We then argued for the rest of the night. I noticed that my irritably was heightened.

Today(2/6/13) I decided to give it one more shot on its own. 3 sprays of p74 (5mcg) for a total of 15mcg. I had to drop some products off to my mom and when I walked in she made a comment about my remote start beeping and had a disgusted look on her face. I felt some irritating feelings start to take over my mind but held them back. As she was writing a check for me I grabbed a handful of trail mix that was on the counter and started eating it. As I was chewing normally she stated that she cant take me chomping food like that. So I threw the rest of what was in my hand away, grabbed the che k and walked out saying if I cant chew food without you making a comment im leaving. She then got mad for me throwing away the rest of what I had in my hand away. As for my mom making comments, thats normal. She is very critical of everyone and very gudgemental of everything. But normally I just brush it off and it doesn’t bother me, I’m typically the only one of us children that can put up with this attitude. But today I was just so irritated.

Final thoughts. I seem to get irritated very easily while wearing alone. Maybe the 5 sprays I caused a ghosting effect and 3 sprays I od . Maybe leyoss will be better as a stand alone. I will try 2 sprays another time to see if anything is different. I have wore p74 with other mones and didn’t seem to be effected this way at all. Further more I am trying not to do research on mones when testing alone so I can best see how they work for me. Your 2 cents is most welcome though!!!