Science Student -- need I say more?

[ScienceStudent]

So in reading other posts I’ve come to realize other aspects of my life that may benefit from mones. Living/working in a male-dominated field takes a toll on a gal, even though I’ve come to be used to it. A complication of my ADD is that when I’m overwhelmed the frustration tends to trigger a neurochemical dump that makes me cry. In front of professors, bosses, classmates…NOT professional! Normally I keep this under strict control, and it only happens in front of (1-3) others incredibly rarely, but if I’m lacking sleep or unusually stressed and I take something too personally – argh. Then I hate myself, thinking they must think I do it on purpose to control the situation, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. And of course, that just amplifies the cycle.

In short – what would I start with for meetings with male bosses, advisors, teachers, and TAs that would reinforce my competence, bolster my confidence in that fact, and calm down my one high-strung / over-angry superior? (He’s just the type that gets angry/loud at everything with everyone, and I handle this unprofessional interpersonal mechanism poorly. I called him on it last time, without resorting to raised voices or ending up crying, even after, so I am working on this.) I don’t expect negative reviews, I would just like to not over-worry about the possibility. (I am realizing I’m unnecessarily afraid of disapproval, knowing my reaction, and I want to get over that.)

Reading through some women’s journals, (I finally found Advanced Search: PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum) I realize that type of meeting makes a difference – most of mine are informal, one-on-one. My package arrives tomorrow with Shine, IH, IS/b, and P74. From what I’ve read, I’m guessing IH and/or Shine for work. Without delving too much, I gather the P74 is for focus(?) but I’m not sure if that’s in general, or just date-related, and I certainly don’t want to start with that on an important day. (Now, I really wish MX300 was available, and wonder if I should have ordered the A314, but again, something I wouldn’t want to start with on an important day.)

I ask this now, because I planned to start tomorrow, but I do have an informal practice hands-on quiz with a male TA. I’m ready for it, I just want to exude competence and boost my own confidence. I have a date after that, and I’d normally go home and shower first anyway – would I stick with the same one I tried earlier?

I read Womens Pheromone Guide, Women Pheromone fast guide, and How to Test and Report On Products UPDATED 12/01 but they don’t specify when I start layering (some ways down the road) if they should or should not be on the same places, or is that something I must discover? Also, is there a general best pulse point(s) to start with each product, something that works best for most people? I would say inner wrists and back of neck/behind ears, like advised for perfume? Or is it wrists for social and neck for personal?

Emm
(How to Test and Report On Products UPDATED 12/01)

[Astrea]

@ScienceStudent

I ask this now, because I planned to start tomorrow, but I do have an informal practice hands-on quiz with a male TA. I’m ready for it, I just want to exude competence and boost my own confidence. I have a date after that, and I’d normally go home and shower first anyway – would I stick with the same one I tried earlier?

I read Womens Pheromone Guide, Women Pheromone fast guide, and How to Test and Report On Products UPDATED 12/01 but they don’t specify when I start layering (some ways down the road) if they should or should not be on the same places, or is that something I must discover? Also, is there a general best pulse point(s) to start with each product, something that works best for most people? I would say inner wrists and back of neck/behind ears, like advised for perfume? Or is it wrists for social and neck for personal?
Emm
(How to Test and Report On Products UPDATED 12/01)

Ok, ScienceStudent, I’m gonna do my best, cos no-one else is here and it’s 5 hours later. Hope you check in before you go to Uni.

JUST SO WE’RE CLEAR THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION/EXPERIENCE. EVERYONE EXPERIENCES PHEROMONES IN THEIR OWN WAY.

The whole idea with sweet spot testing (did you read that sticky?); is to find the # of sprays of pheromones that is your optimal response gauge. One at a time. So you know what each product does for you at all doses. For instance, I maxed out on IS/b with 3 sprays; meaning, when I tried 4 sprays there was not one single reaction. Not from man, woman, child or beast. It was like I was invisible - it’s referred to as ‘ghosting’ here. But I started (my first time wearing) with 2 sprays and ended up with a solid like fan club reaction. Respectfully enthusiastic. It’s in my journal. I started basically with 2 of everything.

You may have a sweet spot of 3 sprays of IS/b after that it doesn’t do anything except ghosting in an OD.
BUT!! I PERSONALLY found 2 sprays had a different and useful effect; and so did 1 spray - which produced a whiplash “who’re you?” effect. Which teamed with a bunch of IO (so far my favorite spot with IO is 4 sprays) I could see making me a bunch of friends at the next show at The Gorge.

As for the where, that’s entirely up to you. Your preference. I have taken to wearing IS on the back of each hand and on my throat or chest. I can’t imagine why anyone would wear IS/B on their hands that could create some . . . . . interesting challenges.

You seem to be a delightfully blunt and straightforward type of person. Like me. And probably getting into random bunches of trouble because of it. Therefore:

I DO NOT WEAR INSTANT HONESTY ANYWHERE I CAN STICK IT IN/UP/UNDER MY OWN NOSE!!! or face
I did that once and had to metaphorically muzzle myself! It’s one thing to encourage a bond; quite another to be blurting ridiculous emotional associations yourself! I PERSONALLY only apply IH to the back of my neck and the top of my head.

I have seen posts that include rubbing mones on your temples; wearing them under your nose; on your chin; on the forehead; the list goes on. The hardest part I’ve found here in Seattle, the warm days still haven’t arrived and I’m still wearing long sleeves and hoodie, so the amount of bare skin exposed is minimal. I’m dying for short sleeve (and NO hoodie) weather.

I have also sprayed 3 different mones to the same spot - uncomfortable for about 20 mins (I’m sensitive to perfume, chemical and detergent odors); then they all olafactorally disappeared and I was all good.

You could try 1 spray of IS/b on the TA - applying it to you, I mean; if it has an effect; what kind of effect; and then what’s his personality type. I happen to love the way IS/B smells and the confidence boost, I, personally would start with that. My initial reaction to IS was giggly. Not something I’d want to be in the presence of my superiors. That’s not to say you would have the same reaction. It’s just to point out one of the parameters I have, when deciding what to spray for the outside world.

As to the date thing, why wouldn’t you keep the same idea and maybe add to it? The guys on here who apply more than once in a working day; make the effort to clean their application sites with (I think) alcohol or witch-hazel swabs. Because just soap isn’t necessarily gonna remove all the mones.

Sorry this took so long; trying to get the salient points addressed.

[ScienceStudent]

@Astrea

Ok, ScienceStudent, I’m gonna do my best, cos no-one else is here and it’s 5 hours later. Hope you check in before you go to Uni.

JUST SO WE’RE CLEAR THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION/EXPERIENCE. EVERYONE EXPERIENCES PHEROMONES IN THEIR OWN WAY.

The whole idea with sweet spot testing (did you read that sticky?); is to find the # of sprays of pheromones that is your optimal response gauge. One at a time. So you know what each product does for you at all doses. For instance, I maxed out on IS/b with 3 sprays; meaning, when I tried 4 sprays there was not one single reaction. Not from man, woman, child or beast. It was like I was invisible - it’s referred to as ‘ghosting’ here. But I started (my first time wearing) with 2 sprays and ended up with a solid like fan club reaction. Respectfully enthusiastic. It’s in my journal. I started basically with 2 of everything.

You may have a sweet spot of 3 sprays of IS/b after that it doesn’t do anything except ghosting in an OD.
BUT!! I PERSONALLY found 2 sprays had a different and useful effect; and so did 1 spray - which produced a whiplash “who’re you?” effect. Which teamed with a bunch of IO (so far my favorite spot with IO is 4 sprays) I could see making me a bunch of friends at the next show at The Gorge.

As for the where, that’s entirely up to you. Your preference. I have taken to wearing IS on the back of each hand and on my throat or chest. I can’t imagine why anyone would wear IS/B on their hands that could create some . . . . . interesting challenges.

You seem to be a delightfully blunt and straightforward type of person. Like me. And probably getting into random bunches of trouble because of it. Therefore:

I DO NOT WEAR INSTANT HONESTY ANYWHERE I CAN STICK IT IN/UP/UNDER MY OWN NOSE!!! or face
I did that once and had to metaphorically muzzle myself! It’s one thing to encourage a bond; quite another to be blurting ridiculous emotional associations yourself! I PERSONALLY only apply IH to the back of my neck and the top of my head.

I have seen posts that include rubbing mones on your temples; wearing them under your nose; on your chin; on the forehead; the list goes on. The hardest part I’ve found here in Seattle, the warm days still haven’t arrived and I’m still wearing long sleeves and hoodie, so the amount of bare skin exposed is minimal. I’m dying for short sleeve (and NO hoodie) weather.

I have also sprayed 3 different mones to the same spot - uncomfortable for about 20 mins (I’m sensitive to perfume, chemical and detergent odors); then they all olafactorally disappeared and I was all good.

You could try 1 spray of IS/b on the TA - applying it to you, I mean; if it has an effect; what kind of effect; and then what’s his personality type. I happen to love the way IS/B smells and the confidence boost, I, personally would start with that. My initial reaction to IS was giggly. Not something I’d want to be in the presence of my superiors. That’s not to say you would have the same reaction. It’s just to point out one of the parameters I have, when deciding what to spray for the outside world.

As to the date thing, why wouldn’t you keep the same idea and maybe add to it? The guys on here who apply more than once in a working day; make the effort to clean their application sites with (I think) alcohol or witch-hazel swabs. Because just soap isn’t necessarily gonna remove all the mones.

Sorry this took so long; trying to get the salient points addressed.

Astrea – I made a HUGE response thanking you for your post…and apparently lost it before posting. I will try to remember what was in it later this week when I’m a bit less under the gun. Some of the info is in my newly initiated journal:

Science Student's Journal

My introduction: I’ve read: How to find your sweet Spot Womens Pheromone Guide LADIES: A mini compilation of your personal experiences! picking sexy products -whats your intention? (https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-some-advice-for-my-sister/50416) (going to have to check out books at the library) Other stickies which I remember not the names. I’m working on: (Im)patiently awaiting the arrival of my order – supposed to be here already, but the delivery guy messed up. Sta…

[Astrea]

@ScienceStudent

Astrea – I made a HUGE response thanking you for your post…and apparently lost it before posting. I will try to remember what was in it later this week when I’m a bit less under the gun. Some of the info is in my newly initiated journal:

Science Student's Journal

Thanx for your thanx! I just hope it helped; and if you don’t get around to it - just think it real hard and I’ll try to divine it out of the ether. Going to read your journal now . . .

[ScienceStudent]

@Astrea

…
The whole idea with sweet spot testing (did you read that sticky?); is to find the # of sprays of pheromones that is your optimal response gauge. One at a time. So you know what each product does for you at all doses. For instance, I maxed out on IS/b with 3 sprays; meaning, when I tried 4 sprays there was not one single reaction.
…
BUT!! I PERSONALLY found 2 sprays had a different and useful effect; and so did 1 spray - which produced a whiplash “who’re you?” effect. Which teamed with a bunch of IO (so far my favorite spot with IO is 4 sprays) I could see making me a bunch of friends at the next show at The Gorge.

As for the where, that’s entirely up to you. Your preference. I have taken to wearing IS on the back of each hand and on my throat or chest. I can’t imagine why anyone would wear IS/B on their hands that could create some . . . . . interesting challenges.

You seem to be a delightfully blunt and straightforward type of person. Like me. And probably getting into random bunches of trouble because of it. Therefore:

I DO NOT WEAR INSTANT HONESTY ANYWHERE I CAN STICK IT IN/UP/UNDER MY OWN NOSE!!! or face
…I PERSONALLY only apply IH to the back of my neck and the top of my head.
…
I have also sprayed 3 different mones to the same spot - uncomfortable for about 20 mins (I’m sensitive to perfume, chemical and detergent odors); then they all olfactorally disappeared and I was all good.

You could try 1 spray of IS/b on the TA - applying it to you, I mean; if it has an effect; what kind of effect; and then what’s his personality type. I happen to love the way IS/B smells and the confidence boost, I, personally would start with that. My initial reaction to IS was giggly. Not something I’d want to be in the presence of my superiors. That’s not to say you would have the same reaction. It’s just to point out one of the parameters I have, when deciding what to spray for the outside world.

As to the date thing, why wouldn’t you keep the same idea and maybe add to it? The guys on here who apply more than once in a working day; make the effort to clean their application sites with (I think) alcohol or witch-hazel swabs. Because just soap isn’t necessarily gonna remove all the mones.
…

I read the sticky – I’m still trying to wrap my head around the idea that the “sweet spot” is a number not a place.

IH on the back of my neck, check. (Where it won’t affect ME quite so much.)
IS/b on my throat/neck/chest, where it won’t affect people at arms’ length so much.
IS on my wrists, where it will affect people at arm’s length AND myself.
P74…well I’d start w the back of my neck, maybe. (I’ve tried not to read too much about it.)

The TA is also a classmate, and not only do I not know if he has an SO (I’m new), I don’t want anything in my tiny department.

I was thinking for the date – I want only one spray of one product at a time, remember – that this guy is already affectionate, doting, cuddley, and attentive, and I don’t really want/need to intensify that this early.

(There, I tried to recreate my lost to the best of my abilities.)

[Aggie]

Indeed!

[Astrea]

@ScienceStudent

**I read the sticky – I’m still trying to wrap my head around the idea that the “sweet spot” is a number not a place.
**
IH on the back of my neck, check. (Where it won’t affect ME quite so much.)
IS/b on my throat/neck/chest, where it won’t affect people at arms’ length so much.
IS on my wrists, where it will affect people at arm’s length AND myself.
P74…well I’d start w the back of my neck, maybe. (I’ve tried not to read too much about it.)

The TA is also a classmate, and not only do I not know if he has an SO (I’m new), I don’t want anything in my tiny department.

I was thinking for the date – I want only one spray of one product at a time, remember – that this guy is already affectionate, doting, cuddley, and attentive, and I don’t really want/need to intensify that this early.

(There, I tried to recreate my lost to the best of my abilities.)

I know, the sweet spot thing has me confused for a minute and a half.
But, I didn’t mean to start anything with the TA; just a good one on one opportunity to gauge effects.

[ScienceStudent]

@Astrea

I know, the sweet spot thing has me confused for a minute and a half.
But, I didn’t mean to start anything with the TA; just a good one on one opportunity to gauge effects.

Hahaha, I guess I’m still quite nervous about the image I project – like flirting means I’d want more.

I’ve gotten LOADS of inappropriate attention about my body over the years, so I learned to be quite reserved in some ways, and there remains a discontinuity in my range of behavior that I have only begun to address as of 1.5 years ago.

[Akela]

Hi, ScienceStudent!

I just got my first order last week, so I’m very new here. I wanted to say hi because you sound a lot like me (except that I’m older, much shorter & rounder, and a psychology student).

I’ve always had my best luck in meeting guys when we’ve all been busy doing something - community projects, volunteering, playing music, etc. “Dates” never seemed to work for me very well… I’m a little odd, intense, my humor is a little random, and my ADD means that I often say things off the top of my head that leave people very perplexed.

Church only works I think if you are actively interested in religion, and I think that it mostly works on the same principle as volunteering etc - you’re spending time with guys without any dating pressure, they get to know you and then they discover that they would really like to spend more time with you.

I’ve never tried dating or looking for dates with pheromones. I’ll keep following your reports with interest.

cheers,
Akela

[ScienceStudent]

Thanks!
I’m new here, too.

[shaboopy87]

Whats up science

just read your thread, thought id post my reply (even thought its not all about mones, but i’ll try to relate it back to that)

first of all congerats on getting dating practice! dating is practice! so when you meet someone you want to be with you have the tools to get the job done. approaching it as a science (which it is) is the right way to do it. now on to that 10% second date success rate

you obviously have the gift of gab , consider yourself lucky as many dont but looking at the results your not doing something right on the first date if your not getting seconds. IMHO i believe its that your giving off the “friend” vibe in spades. Talking/laughing and good convo is great but only for so long remember your on a DATE, wich has a sexual undertone.

once you establish that your both connected and develope rapport you have to move into the sexual realm (natural progression). i know its nerve racking and uncomfortable at first, but the guy is on a date, which means he is looking for a mate. this is where you the the “your to goot for me” or “i dont see it working out”…the guys is seeing a friend when he is looking for a partner

if ya like the guy go for it! also this is where i see mones helping you (told ya id try to relate it) not sure as to which ones since i am also new, but maybe one with a sexual undertone? it may help spur him into taking that first sexual stride!

sorry to hate on your game, but i know what im talking about in this area , and it comes from a place of love not judgement and wanting to see your success skyrocket! keep up the practice.

also nothing secures a date better than a little good night kiss :* !

love and peace
-shaboopy

[Astrea]

@shaboopy87

Whats up science

just read your thread, thought id post my reply (even thought its not all about mones, but i’ll try to relate it back to that)

first of all congerats on getting dating practice! dating is practice! so when you meet someone you want to be with you have the tools to get the job done. approaching it as a science (which it is) is the right way to do it. now on to that 10% second date success rate

you obviously have the gift of gab , consider yourself lucky as many dont but looking at the results your not doing something right on the first date if your not getting seconds. IMHO i believe its that your giving off the “friend” vibe in spades. Talking/laughing and good convo is great but only for so long remember your on a DATE, wich has a sexual undertone.

once you establish that your both connected and develope rapport you have to move into the sexual realm (natural progression). i know its nerve racking and uncomfortable at first, but the guy is on a date, which means he is looking for a mate. this is where you the the “your to goot for me” or “i dont see it working out”…the guys is seeing a friend when he is looking for a partner

if ya like the guy go for it! also this is where i see mones helping you (told ya id try to relate it) not sure as to which ones since i am also new, but maybe one with a sexual undertone? it may help spur him into taking that first sexual stride!

sorry to hate on your game, but i know what im talking about in this area , and it comes from a place of love not judgement and wanting to see your success skyrocket! keep up the practice.

also nothing secures a date better than a little good night kiss :* !

love and peace
-shaboopy

Hey shaboopy, I really don’t think anyone here is taking your post as a “hate on your game”. I for one, appreciate the help from the horses mouth, so to speak. Also, it is more than apparent that it comes from your heart. When you get your order, spray yourself with IS and a bunch of IO, revel in the feeling and think that one badass bunny wished that feeling for you. Thanx!

[tisha23]

Great explaination Astrea. There is no right way and wrong way to use mones, only the way that works best for you. The guidelines are just that… a guide to get you started.

You will find your sweet spot is a range. Like I can use 3 sprays of ISex and get mild results or 5 and get more blatant results. 3 to 5 is my SP range. One you find the SP range for each product you can layer but depending on what you layering and the effect your shooting for you may want to stick to your lower range numbers.

While pulse points are good for starters I dont find them good for diffusion.

I like the sweep method to cover more surface. So if I spray my chest its not in a concentrated spot. I sweep my hand while I spray to cover the whole thing.

I dont ususally wash my applications spots when I reapply unless they are smelly or something or I am using a new mix. The guys need to because anone is sticky and its in lots of there mixes. Plus anone causes the OD effect while other mones generally dont.

You will get it though. there are tons of methods and tips and I know it can be overwhelming but just have fun with it. I wish they still had MX135 because I think it would be perfect for you. I like to call it the “whose that girl” mix.

Tisha

[ScienceStudent]

Hah, I wasn’t thinking you were hating. Problem is, I don’t actually KNOW that I like a guy that fast. Especially if he’s not doing any touching, I think he doesn’t like me that much. AND I find it awkward when sitting at a table. It’s cheesy to reach across and touch his hand.