Sexual hits with nols: does heavy Anol from IO or IH dull TUTH's Anone?

[Cloud9]

I was just wondering with the heavy Anol products like IO and IH…has anyone found that the high amounts of ANol or Bnol reduce the sexual hits that they get when combined with your usual amount of Anone? Like for example using TUTH and IO…5mcg Anone and 10mcg ANol per spray. Not a 1:1 ratio…just wondering if these ratios still get sexual hits or not? Anyone chime in please?

I’m just contemplating if I should even be worrying about getting too much Anol. That it might kill the sexual effects/hits of Anone when combined with products like TUTH?

[josef]

i always use lots of nol’s with -none and the only difference i’ve noticed is a distinction between fun/playful foreplay and sex versus raw emotion passionate foreplay and sex.

i certainly don’t think having too much alpha or beta nol has killed my chances yet.

[MHarris]

@Cloud9

I was just wondering with the heavy Anol products like IO and IH…has anyone found that the high amounts of ANol or Bnol reduce the sexual hits that they get when combined with your usual amount of Anone? Like for example using TUTH and IO…5mcg Anone and 10mcg ANol per spray. Not a 1:1 ratio…just wondering if these ratios still get sexual hits or not? Anyone chime in please?

I’m just contemplating if I should even be worrying about getting too much Anol. That it might kill the sexual effects/hits of Anone when combined with products like TUTH?

Remember, people actually see you differently depending on the pheromones you wear. Their minds accentuate different characteristics of yours depending upon the “pheromonal feel” you’re putting out there.

Lots of anol will help you to be viewed in a brighter and “softer light”. If you tend to come across a serious, it can be a godsend.

If you’re flamboyant, and women commonly mistake you for gay (like a young Pauly Shore), then sure… high anol may not serve you.

I tend to wear darker colors, and I think a lot, so I naturally have lots of “thinking expressions”. Those make me look pretty serious.

Lots of alpha androstenol actually helps me out a good deal. It carries along with it a fun, “good time” vibe.

To me, because I have a heavy persona, it’s still somewhat sexual.

Sure, it’s not scary-sexual, like the folks like the folks who wear leather mask that want to flail you until you have a near death experience… but fun & light still has a sexual element to it.

Reframe it as “fun in bed”, and you’ll get what you mean.

You just don’t want to be too fun… Richard Simmons/Pauly Shore type fun is probably far along the “fun-o-meter” (right into flamboyancy) to really be attractive. When they “hookup”, it’s because of the social proof elements of their celebrity.

[MHarris]

@josef

i always use lots of nol’s with -none and the only difference i’ve noticed is a distinction between fun/playful foreplay and sex versus raw emotion passionate foreplay and sex.

i certainly don’t think having too much alpha or beta nol has killed my chances yet.

Right, there’s a strong “play” element to anol.

It’s actually perfect for meeting people, building comfort and attraction. Good pre-sex.

Sometimes fun during sex – depends on how intense and serious you like yours sex.

It’s kind of like movies…
Androstenone is a dark and serious film. If there’s sex, it’s heavy, deep, animalistic

Alpha nol is light and playful. The mark of a comedy, or a romantic comedy

Beta nol brings you honesty and drama.

Mix 'em all together, and you get a better movie, IMHO, with more simultaneous emotional range.

[tacitus]

Annnnnd… beta-dienonol ?

Or Beta-a1 (dienonol) is one rare bird… you never see anything about it… since I’m probably a majority of one whose logged in time with standard octane alpha-dienol… and found that it has properties that are likely to be too esoteric for the pump’n’hump crowd… when it kicks in it kicks in hilarious, unexpected ways… so, CAN dienol be toggled like alpha/beta NOL ? If so, do you have any laying around the shop ? Assuming that the brain is exquisitely sensitive to alpha vs. beta positions of the -OH… wassup with -dienol ? I’m game if U got some.

[MHarris]

@tacitus

Or Beta-a1 (dienonol) is one rare bird… you never see anything about it… since I’m probably a majority of one whose logged in time with standard octane alpha-dienol… and found that it has properties that are likely to be too esoteric for the pump’n’hump crowd… when it kicks in it kicks in hilarious, unexpected ways… so, CAN dienol be toggled like alpha/beta NOL ? If so, do you have any laying around the shop ? Assuming that the brain is exquisitely sensitive to alpha vs. beta positions of the -OH… wassup with -dienol ? I’m game if U got some.

Check your pm.

[Cloud9]

so If I were to get Instant openness what would be a good lower dosage of beta-nol to put with it 2.5, 5mcg, ?

I know I sometimes can come off as too serious or I “need to live’n up a bit”..“get loose”. At the same time I am very well kept and I guess you could call me somewhat of a metrosexual…I certainly don’t wear anything flamboyant though. I wear toned down colors.

P.S.

Sure, it’s not scary-sexual, like the folks like the folks who wear leather mask that want to flail you until you have a near death experience…

ROFL thats hillarious

[MHarris]

@Cloud9

so If I were to get Instant openness what would be a good lower dosage of beta-nol to put with it 2.5, 5mcg, ?

There’s already enough bnol and other pheromones in Instant Openness to refine it (to “steer” the effect) and make it more usable.

Unless, of course, you want an extremely candid, almost truth serum like effect of Instant Honesty. Then you could pile on the beta-nol.

@Cloud9

I know I sometimes can come off as too serious or I “need to live’n up a bit”..“get loose”. At the same time I am very well kept and I guess you could call me somewhat of a metrosexual…I certainly don’t wear anything flamboyant though. I wear toned down colors.

Try 40 to 100mcg of alpha nol to “loosen up”. Be funny, but make sure your behavior communicate that you are still in control, and a higher value. Keep your head held high, stand straight, talk loudly and deliberately, etc.

Like a successful, professional comedian, you have to still control the room when you’re exercising humor. (“bad” or inexperienced comedians are notorious for losing control over the crowd and being “walked on” by the audience)

The mention of alpha nol dosages and Instant Openness reminds me…

In case you didn’t see my other post on this, right now with Instant Openness, we’ll double the pheromone content for free if you ask for it in your order notes. That gives you 30mcg per spray total – 25mcg alpha androstenol, and 5mcg of the modifying complex.

[tacitus]

Like a successful, professional comedian, you have to still control the room when you’re exercising humor. (“bad” or inexperienced comedians are notorious for losing control over the crowd and being “walked on” by the audience)

Yeah… for any person starting out, learning how to connect with others, men as friends, women as friends, lovers, or squeezetoys… it IS frustrating when you lack the skills, and often you don’t know that you don’t have the skills… -mones are not a substitute for a skill set, they DO allow a skilled communicator to function on a higher plane, think of it like this, an unskilled communicator with mones might be 25% better on an average night, maybe 50-75% better on a good night, where a skilled communicator who can pick up on and resond to the vibratory changes might be 75% better on a bad night and 250% better on a good night…

Improv comedy is a great place to start, loosen up you mind, form unexpected connections, run with an idea, build on it, toss it back…

NLP has some fantastic ideas as well… the best of both worlds would be if an enlightened and talented genius combined the best of actor’s training and NLP.

[Cloud9]

I ordered IO and 2.5mcg/spray fragranced Beta-nol. the 12.5mcg anol per spray should be plenty to work with for me.

[Cloud9]

What ratio of TUTH to Instant Openess would you recommend for 2nd, 3rd+ dates. I figured general use would be 1 spray TUTH to 1 spray IO.

I know Mharris talks a lot about 1:1 ratios of Nol to ANone.

I know I’m young fixing to be 23, but I always wear A314 in my mixes, which should help with Anone. I’m just having a hard time figure out what ratios of TUTH to use with IO or anol. I want to keep sexual tones a little more of a priority, but I know on first dates or even 2nd this is void.

Should i do 2 sprays TUTH to 1 spray IO, 3 sprays TUTH to 1 IO?

Current 1st date mix= 2 drops A314, 1 spray TUTH, 1 spray IO, 2 sprays IS, 2 sprays IFM

Where should I go from here?

Thanks

[MHarris]

@tacitus

Yeah… for any person starting out, learning how to connect with others, men as friends, women as friends, lovers, or squeezetoys… it IS frustrating when you lack the skills, and often you don’t know that you don’t have the skills… -mones are not a substitute for a skill set, they DO allow a skilled communicator to function on a higher plane, think of it like this, an unskilled communicator with mones might be 25% better on an average night, maybe 50-75% better on a good night, where a skilled communicator who can pick up on and resond to the vibratory changes might be 75% better on a bad night and 250% better on a good night…

That’s very true.

Pheromones only work OK as a social skill replacement (good enough, perhaps, to allow more time time “in the field” to expand your social skills).

With social skill under your belt. As a powerful catalyst and amplifier. Pheromones become an exponent. Once you’ve got a hang of things socially, you can use pheromones to really blow social experiences out of the water to the “next level” of human interaction.

@tacitus

Improv comedy is a great place to start, loosen up you mind, form unexpected connections, run with an idea, build on it, toss it back…

Very good idea.

Improv comedy teaches you to be real-time, which is what life itself is… Canned material, routines and pickup lines will never be able to compete with someone who has actual social dynamics and impeccable rhythmn and timing.

@tacitus

NLP has some fantastic ideas as well… the best of both worlds would be if an enlightened and talented genius combined the best of actor’s training and NLP.

What acting classes or coaches would you recommend?

[MHarris]

@Cloud9

What ratio of TUTH to Instant Openess would you recommend for 2nd, 3rd+ dates. I figured general use would be 1 spray TUTH to 1 spray IO.

Maybe 3 sprays IO to 1 TUTH.

Use an additional spray of TUTH on each subsequent date, and keep the IO the same.

That’s what TUTH is for… turning up the heat, slowly and gradually. Gradually bringing sexual tension to a boil.

It’s no secret… it’s name exactly after how you use it.

Now, here’s some advice for where you start:

If your first date is with someone completely new, I wouldn’t necessarily use it there, because you don’t have enough comfort and attraction yet.

If you’ve already built some comfort with the girl (and hopefully have some attraction going on), then go ahead and start turning up the heat from the very date.

@Cloud9

I know Mharris talks a lot about 1:1 ratios of Nol to ANone.

A minimum of that makes androstenone it more comfortable, but you can far exceed this, too.

@Cloud9

I know I’m young fixing to be 23, but I always wear A314 in my mixes, which should help with Anone. I’m just having a hard time figure out what ratios of TUTH to use with IO or anol. I want to keep sexual tones a little more of a priority, but I know on first dates or even 2nd this is void.

Should i do 2 sprays TUTH to 1 spray IO, 3 sprays TUTH to 1 IO?

Again, try using Turn Up the Heat to turn up the heat.

That’s a reliable, no BS way to use androstenone.

I wouldn’t worry about your ratio to IO as much, unless you have social experiences telling you to be concerned. IO, for most people, won’t knock much heat out of Turn Up The Heat.

Remember, it’s not just alpha androstenol in there - there’s a few tweaks.

@Cloud9

Current 1st date mix= 2 drops A314, 1 spray TUTH, 1 spray IO, 2 sprays IS, 2 sprays IFM

Where should I go from here?

If it’s a first blind date or with someone you barely know, drop the TUTH. You already have the Shine in there to give a nice sexual presence without overdoing it.

If it’s a date with someone you know and have some attraction with, you can start with 1 spray of TUTH if you have.

I’d say you can use up to 3 or 4 sprays of IO starting on the first date.

Subsequent dates, add a spray of TUTH, and perhaps remove a spray of IO. This will ramp up the “ants in the pants” effect.

“Gotta… take… these… damn… pants… off!”

Remember to make touching a regular part of your date from the getgo, so when you go in for a kiss or more, it’s not awkward.

Start with little touches (on the arm, hand, shoulder, etc), and work your way up in duration and intensity.

In fact, start touching before you go out on a date. Before you get her number.

[Cloud9]

Great ..super helpful post!! ..thanks …

-I’m pretty good with actions and flirting..I just want/need to have an edge over others and make sure my mix is suited just for that.

-I know it seems like it, but i’m not really looking for sex. I want to make the women go nuts over me as much as possible. I’m looking for a meaningful relationship more than anything else, but I always want there to be plenty of sexual tension and spice there.

[MHarris]

@Cloud9

Great ..super helpful post!! ..thanks …

-I’m pretty good with actions and flirting..I just want/need to have an edge over others and make sure my mix is suited just for that.

Even one of those components will give you an edge.

It’s tough not to get an edge with most of these pheromones, unless you overdo it and start to freak people out.

@Cloud9

-I know it seems like it, but i’m not really looking for sex. I want to make the women go nuts over me as much as possible. I’m looking for a meaningful relationship more than anything else, but I always want there to be plenty of sexual tension and spice there.

TUTH is designed to lead you to a definite “close” (a sex close).

Early dates are often getting to know you.

I usually like to keep sex out of the equation entirely, because this is unlike most guys, and will cause the woman to go insane. I’d use light touching and affection, sure, but nothing major.

If you do this, and still give her a great time, she’ll then be relieved later on when you make things hotter and heavier (with pheromones or otherwise).

If you have some sort of relationship with her going where you talk on the phone before hand, wear the TUTH on nights when you can detect something extra sexy and saucy in her voice.

The body speaks through the tone of the voice. Through tone, it says things the words won’t.

Especially women, who want you, as the man, to take responsibility for everything spicy. Most of their sexual expression is not of the “come right out and say it variety”. They’ll say it alright… in ANY way OTHER than using straightforward words.

[Cloud9]

Especially women, who want you, as the man, to take responsibility for everything spicy. Most of their sexual expression is not of the “come right out and say it variety”. They’ll say it alright… in ANY way OTHER than using straightforward words.

I’ve always love the alpha female type that is aggressive sexually at times and is independant..I don’t care much for any other type..which is a shame..my on mind and body want let my desire much of any other type of woman than that. I’ve always wanted to understand why I only like a particular sect of females. Milla Jovovich really sums up the type of woman I like from the way she looks to the type of characters she portrays in the majority of her films.

[MHarris]

@Cloud9

I’ve always love the alpha female type that is aggressive sexually at times and is independant..I don’t care much for any other type..which is a shame..my on mind and body want let my desire much of any other type of woman than that. I’ve always wanted to understand why I only like a particular sect of females. Milla Jovovich really sums up the type of woman I like from the way she looks to the type of characters she portrays in the majority of her films.

Too bad she didn’t play Aeon Flux.

But she’s been a more typical girl, too, you know.

For awhile, Milla was smoking pot to the point of complete and utter inebriation of her consciousness (check out the album she did while stoned), hanging out with the big guys with small brains, and basically letting life control her and not the other way around.

If I remember correctly, the turning point for her was doing the Million Dollar Motel. The role she played helped her realize the fluidity of reality.

Anyway, I know what you mean. I actually prefer strong women, as well, and it’s NOT because I’m weak or I liked being dominated (in fact, I hate that!)

Rather, I prefer both people in a relationship to be powerful.

I like the differences to lie elsewhere, not in the power structure. I want someone as powerful as me, but in different areas, so we have things to teach each other. We each have something new to present to each other every day.

And when we work on things together, or do anything together… it’s all intensity, baby.

Unfortunately, the women that can maintain a truly powerful state with consistency are few and far between. I can’t say I’ve ever known one. Rather, the best of the best seem to have elongated spurts of “coolness”, then have a year or more of downtime.

In terms of actresses, take Angelina Jolie, too. Has she been persistently “with it” and “together” in her life? Definitely not.

It almost seems built into women to have a time when they kick back and do nothing exceptional. I don’t know why, and I really wish it wasn’t that way.

At least at your age, you have women in your age range that are fueled with the intensity of youth. In their youth, many women are vibrant. Now if they only kept their luster…

On a related topic, I think there’s nothing sexier than older women who are still beautiful and vibrant.

Men like younger women for their beauty, you know, because they’re better to “mate with” and all of those biological concerns… but really, what is more “proven” in terms of genetic viability? A younger women who’s beautiful and vibrant, or an older one?

An older women who’s still beautiful and vibrant is proven. Proven to be able to maintain a presence that most women can’t or don’t care to.

From a purely genetic perspective, you’d know her genes are more than likely superior to an also pretty younger womens.

I hate the show, for instance, but Samantha (played by Kim Kattrall) on Sex in the City is damn sexy to me.

I’ve never met her, so I don’t know if the actress is at all like her character… but she’s still an older women who’s beautiful and obviously has enough energy and spunk to play such a character. I’m not even really into blonds more than any other “type”, so it’s not that.

Some say the same thing about the actress in the O-verstock.com commercials.

[Cloud9]

Unfortunately, the women that can maintain a truly powerful state with consistency are few and far between. I can’t say I’ve ever known one. Rather, the best of the best seem to have elongated spurts of “coolness”, then have a year or more of downtime.

It’s almost like a bipolarity…with those types of strong women; great heights can be achieved and demonstrated, but they also can have very low lows.

It’s funny, but you can see this in top athletes as well..they can often can achieve great records of performance, but they also have there days or months of poor performance. The average person is more consistant, but doesn’t have the highs or lows or as much potential as the other.

[josef]

i’ve competed in professional athletic events around the world and whenever i get back to my home course i better have my A game because every local yokel will remember the day they beat joe, even if on that day i was obviously playing well below my level.

i remember reading a quote somewhere that i will only be able to paraphrase but it went something like “the greatest achievments in human history have come about because a man was trying to attract the attention of a woman” or something to that effect…

[MHarris]

@Cloud9

It’s almost like a bipolarity…with those types of strong women; great heights can be achieved and demonstrated, but they also can have very low lows.

It’s funny, but you can see this in top athletes as well..they can often can achieve great records of performance, but they also have there days or months of poor performance. The average person is more consistant, but doesn’t have the highs or lows or as much potential as the other.

I see more consistency from high achieving men.

I think the problem is that since there’s fewer high achieving women, there’s not a powerful feminine culture to fall back into (or bounce off of).

If you’re a high achieving man, there’s always no way you can revert. When you hang out with your buddies, they’ll either intellectually stimulate you back into the game, or make you feel so bad about being a loser, that you’ll achieve if only to save face.

What happens when you’re a high achieving woman? You go back to your buddies and they talk about marrying rich men, I’d imagine. At restaurants, when I overhear the conversation had by parties of all women, it’s sort of depressing.

They have a great time together and make funny jokes about the human condition, but I seldom overheard very little achievement oriented conversation. I don’t think there’s much female to female support for strong women.