Hi guys, what’s your opinion on having a consistent signature around a target, and or changing it with your target and altering it for escalation?
On a side note, not to influence this discussion but rather why I started it - I tried switching my base of mx297 to A314 around one of my targets and it didn’t go down too well.
I can see where it might not. The sense of smell is supposed to be the most “hard wired” into the “ancient brain” of all the senses - that oldest and most fundamental part of our brain, not oldest in terms of development, but in terms of, I suppose, evolution. The most primitive part. That’s why smells can evoke such powerful, strong memories and even emotions.
If someone is subconsciously used to you smelling a certain way, changing your base pheromone is going to throw him/her off badly, I’d think. As in when you look at your drink and think it’s Coke, but when you drink it, it’s iced tea. You spit-take even if the iced tea is good, because that isn’t what you were expecting.
My gut says if you want to “escalate,” do so with layering other products, not by changing your base. That’ll add a “Hmm?” factor to it without the jarring “What the #&!!??” reaction.
Yeah I can see why too. It’s been my experience going from say A314 to something “lighter” might work sometimes for instance at work I’d wear A314 all the time then after work @ a social or party I’d wear IG which is still “rone” heavy but a lighter more social feel to it.
Now since you’ve already tested both. I can say from my experience MX297 has a beta feel to it to me…and A314 obviously has a much more serious alpha feel. So I can see why she’d give a bad vibe…I’ve found A314 can have a bad effect on some people. What i mean is, some people react defensive all of a sudden, it happened to me around some producer. So one minute you’re the MX297 guy…which I’ve found is the guy everyone talks to at a party, good time guy…let me grab you a beer, high five guy…and then A314…at least in my experience, the complete opposite.
IME ofcourse…
Details Johnny,
The more you have the better we can try to help.
I switched a mix from MX297 to A314 and I got laid in one instance and had a makeout session in the other.
Hmm… I’d been using mx297 around my target. Day time exposure would be mx297 + ammunition (2-3 sprays) + IS. Night time exposure I’d swap 1 or 2 sprays of ammunition out for TUTH and I’d also throw in some IH.
It got me pretty good responses, ie. alot of kino, even when going out and around, she’d hold me occasionally and all (short instances, I would think it more subconscious). She’d be a little sticky, following me around
Around her friends I’d be “the nice guy”, the “buddy” and all. However the night I wore A314 instead of mx297 when we went out (I swapped out the 3 sprays of mx297 to 2 drops of A314, had 2 sprays of TUTH and 1 spray of ammo, 1 ISx4 and p83 25mcgs) things went awry. The reason I wore that was because after finding out more about her background I “felt” that she could/would respond to higher none signatures or a more alpha vibe. Apparently not (earlier I had tried using more TUTH around her instead of ammunition but I found that she would be a littlemore distant and when I swapped ammo back in for TUTH she would come a little closer)
She became distant, like somewhat fearful of me, even under the influence of alcohol. And on that night apparently my presence just pissed off another of her friends, just because, which I found out later on.
Somewhere some how a vicious cycle started later on too, but I also became more withdrawn. With mx297 I can speak with anyone and anybody, I don’t really care and feel bad about bad things that happen, I can get angry, pissed or irritated but things slide eventually, but with anything more than a drop of A314 with added none, I feel like “I’m the alpha, why should I give a fuck about these” or “why are people responding this way, this is shit” and or also I have no qualms about letting people know how I feel or showing facial expressions/body language (I usually hide or mask my facial expressions and or adjust my body language depending on the situation) it has a tendency to throw me into a withdrawn state, and I became more aloof and withdrawn towards the end of the night, bordering on.. ironically speaking an emotional but withdrawn state (silent moody) that A314 seems/should prevent (on 1 drop it prevents negative states for me).
And that didn’t go too well with her later on too. “What’s my problem” she asked
The irony is I was carrying IS all the while with me but I felt so moody but so in control that I totally forgot that I should probably have dosed myself more with IS
After wearing A314 and mx297 for some reason, A314 works for me in work and highly male dominant environments, eg. poker night, soccer night and pool night. mx297 on the other hand is all arounded and goes down better with the ladies, when on me
She’s not very responsive now and I’m worried I hit a major speed bump of sorts “I thought he was cute initially, had an attraction, but hmm maybe I’m wrong, seems like he’s not the type I’m looking for” and hence possibly undone everything that was built up initially
I like to rotate through several mixes as it helps keep a little drama and mystery in my vibe. People around me gradually get used to the same old everyday and the edge gets thinner and thinner. Some of my mixes are simply variants while others are radially different. With that said, mones mainly facilitate and amp up your words and actions. They don’t create anything in and of themselves. I’ve never had GF, friends of associates “thrown off” by rotating my mone signature. It might perk them up a little but it’s still mostly about the persona I choose to project. The mones merely help amp up and focus my vibe a bit.
Sounds to me like the negative reactions you where getting is more of a -None OD then anything to do with the change of mx297 to A314, way too much -None IMO try just using 1 spray of tuth just to steer the a314 in a sexual direction.
My advice for trying to repair the damage with this girl phero wise is where A1 and p83 around her for a while in the day (if you have it that is), it worked for me in a similar situatiuon.
Yeah I agree with the ghost as well. I believe that it was a higher -none signature. Remember also what P83 can do in so much as letting feelings come out and being verbalized as well. You have AMMO + TUTH and the -none in A314, it sounds like a -none OD. If you’re going to use A314, I would go with A314 + AMMO + IS, or some sort of other vairane. If you go with A314 + TUTH + AMMO, it’s gonna be waaaaaaaay too much IMO.
Are there any putatives that behave or even remotely resemble A1?
That’s the thing bro, the putative products are testers so if anyone gives you advice saying “yeah try pxxx” and you do but don’t get A1 results, you can’t return it. The p series are not covered by the warranty because they’re part of an ongoing research project…so unlike the consumer line they don’t have a money back guarantee.
That said, My theory is you might be able to get an A1 “like” effect with certain combinations of products.
A1 is masculine, emotionally connective and “safe” feeling by all accounts.
If I wanted to really try and come close to duplicating it I’d go with a spray each of IG, IH and Shine. If you want to try and enhance it with some Putatives I’d suggest P74, P83, and I’ve had real good effects with P130 but unless you ordered the project uf test pack you won’t be able to get that. and there was another one that seems to have some promise based off of what I’ve READ (no actual personal experience) but I want to say it was P78.
P74 seems to have an instant Boyfriend quality effect
P83 is reported to have a “crush” feeling.
P130 is a warm calming and relaxing vibe from my experiences
P78 seems to have an uplifting effect that’s been compared to MEO EST in being a female “happy sauce”.
That coupled with the more tried and true effects of IG, IH and Shine could have a very A1 like effect.
Thanks Radman, that info is Very Useful… I’ve been Thinking of Testing P74 or P86 (Both if I can Afford)… They Sound Interesting to Test in a College Town this Summer… Lots of Parties and Tons of Events to go to… You Didn’t Mention P86 but I’ve Read on it Some…
P86 sounds like a good product, I haven’t used it personally but based on reports I can see how it would be attractive but I wouldn’t classify it’s effects as being something akin to A1. Not to say it couldn’t be added to the mix, I was simply listing off products that are reported to have aspects that touch on an A1 like effect.
IE if A1 seems to have 5 different types of effect, one might have to find a different molecule or product to replicate each effect individually and hope they all work well in conjunction with each other.
Very True, P86 would More Likely be Used Along with A1… Ofcourse Only After Proper Testing of P86 Was Done… I Only Mentioned it as it Seems Interesting…
I would second the -none OD.
I’ve noticed from various reports and personal experience that P83 mixed with heavy -none especially Ammo & TUTH makes it WAY easier to OD… anyone agree?
Mixing with putatives is risky, hence why I make sure to avoid any of that by sticking to the instant line when its something that i dunn wanna potentially fuck up
You and I use the same products and combinations so we should compare results. It appears that I have successfully used mx297 + IS + ammo during days and at night an additional spray or two of tuth.
HOWEVER, just recently now that I’ve gotten back into bodybuilding, I had a TERRIBLE experience with 2 sprays tuth. After even a moderate weight shoulder workout and aerobic workout I waited 3 hrs before applying mones and I applied tuth and boy this time it stunk (which is usually doesn’t probably because of my body heat), and I got seriously ghosted wherever I went.
I am starting to wonder if I cannot wear tuth anymore. I tried it out at the mall at night and got not 1 look from anyone! I went home showered, tossed on just mx297 went to the same mall again 1 hr later in the SAME clothes etc and this time I got some looks.
I think we have to be aware that our mones signatures change with all kinds of things like workouts, and also polar products will cause targets to really get upset and not trust you.
I am weary of a314. It is a powerful product but carries an intimator’s vibe. MX297 is more friendly.
Besides why change up what works. If you see the same target often she will learn to trust you and if you keep changing your signatures that trust is going to be gone.
Some will say changing it up makes for excitement and as long as your congruent your ok but I find changing it up causes OD for me as I’m not none tolerant when I workout.
I have to be VERY careful. It is my final call that simply MX297, ammo, IS and SOMETIMES a spray of a314 is all I need in my arsenal. I have tried p83, p102, edge , npa, IG, Chikara etc etc but the mix I listed here is the best for ME.
BTW I wonder if I can even tolerate ammo for long. We’ll have to see.
I am now taking arginine/ornithine (GrowthFlex.com) and when I took it before I gained about 8 lbs of muscles and lost 8 lbs of bellt fat in about 3 months with proper exercise, sleep, and diet. I stopped it because of money issues but I am starting it again now. I can’t wait. That like dropping 3 inches on the waist while adding another 8 lbs of solid body mass. No doubt it will increase my HGH levels, but the question I have is whether it will effect my NONE levels as it doesn’t increase natural test just natural hgh.
In any case my new muscular body will effect what mones I can get away with. My signature is gonna change and I am going to be prepared for success!
dsouza
You dont naturally have the exact same signature at all time so changing your sig synthetically, as long as not done drastically, should be fine.
You find a few base mixes that work for you and give the vibe you want to send. This is the mix that communicates “who you are”. Then you work around that mix with other mixes and putatives to convey your current state which is something that changes through the day.
For instance… Base A314 ( strong respected alpha leader)
Ishine … warm energized friendly
IH… Deep connectible rapport
TUTH … aroused and aggressive.
See the Ishine TUTH and IH do not omit or cancel out the alpha leader vibe they just steer it toward a mood
You can rotate any of the 4 mixes up into the primary position whenever you like. The primary is generally the one you wear the highest dose of in your sweet spot range and the steering mixes and mones are the ones you wear the lowest dose of in your sweet spot range. This is why knowing your sweetspot range is important so you can learn to steer.
Where are your comfort mones ??? That is way to masculine. Your in a Asian country aren’t you ?? I am not surprised at all by her reaction to this mix whether she is Asian or not. Its not balanced.
P74 is much like EST but still workable with what your using.
P86 is great to if you can find some but I dont get the A1 feel from it myself.
If you cant actually get A1 then I would go with P93 for a A1 type effect.
Nope you cant undo everything you have done that quick. This is not a first impression this is someone you have been around repeatedly.
Suppose one day something put her in a crappy mood and she was giving off a negative vibe. Would you not care about her suddenly ? No you just chock it up to a mood. Now if she was that way constantly it would be different.
When you have a specific target and you use a combo that doesn’t go over well just act like nothing occured and go right back to using what you normally use that she responded well to. Use that for a few days before you attempt another different combo.
Keep in mind that the mones are just enhancing you and the moods of those exposed. Its part of attraction not the only part of attraction.
Tisha
Body Language my brother. That is probably the most important part of every interaction. about 97 percent of communication is non verbal bro.
P74, IME, facilitates increased bonding. For a guy wearing it, I believe its more along the lines of rooting for your high school/college team when everyone is getting along and sharing in the camraderie that comes by having a common interest. It’s a part of what’s becoming a favorite of my mixes and the last time I tested it, in a group without too long of a history together, the dynamics worked out very well. We all had fun and got along, there weren’t any points of awkwardness about it. As to the point of it getting close to being A1, I think it would be situational from the reported effects. I think that for the intended purpose (aside from the time of the month) it could come close, however, if the subject is at that point, I think even P74 can’t come close to that based on the reported results.
P86 has been out of stock for a while now. However, from my experiences with it, the best I can say about it is like seeing a gorgeous girl, but not realizing she is gorgeous until P86 steps in. I’ve personally had that kind of experiences with completely platonic friends, which I gotta admit did make me look at them differently. If you’re going for that crush effect I would opt for beta nol personally with P86. However if you’re looking for a hard hitting mix, in a drunken college town, some IS + P86 + TUTH could potentially work.
Dancing Joker got it, but it was so molecule intensive AD couldn’t even make it. Best thing to do, if you want A1 effects would really just go to a reputable site and purchase it yourself. Sometimes, the best solution is the easiest one.
Many thanks dude. In your opinion, in terms of creating a crush effect or even getting the attention of the girl or having that “status/perfect” effect, is A1 superior to P86 or does P86 also hold its own against A1?
I have been testing P74 and P79 of late, and trying to go back to testing P78.
I’m still clueless of P79 by itself. P74 seems to be a happy molecule for me but it drains energy after a while, I haven’t used it in groups much yet to notice.
I believe they are completely different.
There are different levels of comfort. Based on my reading about A1, it will calm women down and give them that comfort. You’re completely skipping over the attraction part. With P86 that facilitates the attraction part essentially increasing the “beauty” of the wearer. This is why I think P86 in attraction aspects would be the better choice than A1.