I have the uncanny feeling that we are not alone in that! 
Brilliant, tacitus!
Whether or not people want to admit it, or even realize it…we all implement some level of ‘game’ when it comes to seducing, or courting another…simply because realistically, it isn’t favorable for a man or a woman to be completely and absolutely direct in attracting another. We might not necessarily employ the sophisticated methods and tricks talked about in the PU community, but one way or another, we all develop methods of seducing another that are true to ourselves. Experience will best teach us all the little nuances in courting and seducing (this is where I agree with Terry). We learn from our successful experiences, but moreso, I think, from our negative ones.
Do women run game too? To a certain extent yes. At the risk of being labelled a slut, of getting used and hurt, of making the wrong impression on you, or simply because they don’t want to make things that easy for you, they would have to. (ladies chime in on this if you will 
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Also as an interesting side-note, there have been field studies of animal cultures that shed light on some of the indirect ‘courting’ behaviors that animals employ to seduce one another…a sort of ‘animal game’ if you will. I’d have to dig up my old anthropology text books to go into more detail…but I can recall a case of male chimps presenting a dead fish to win the favor of a female chimp he’s attempting to seduce.
All things considered why should we attach so much negativity to ‘running game’? I think the title of ‘game’ itself, carries a lot of negativity, but the acts and methods themselves are a natural part of human behavior. It isn’t a matter of being decieving, or being insecure. Are there those who employ sophisticated PU methods for the sake of heartlessly devieving women…or because they’re so pent up in their own insecurities? Sure. But the act of ‘running game’ or otherwise making use of ‘courting behaviors’ isn’t all heartlessly deceptive…nor is it a product of anyone’s insecurity
So right! Mammals are playful animals; playing games is natural to us.
And some games can be considered sacred.
Thank you. It has come to my attention that some anthropologists believe that higher primates have something that they have termed the “machiavellian module” which is a part of the brain hardwired for deceit… more amazingly, this deceit, or machiavellian module is cleverly arranged so as to take the deceit to a higher level, to “meta-deceit”.. that is, to be highly skilled at hiding the fact that one is lying, or highly inconsistent between one’s professed values and one’s actual behaviors…David Livingston Smith wrote a book about this hard wired deceptivity, including, most enlighteningly, hard wired self-deceptivity in his book Why We Lie… so possibly we have to look at this as a neuroscience problem rather than as a good versus evil problem.. the trick then, for the truly successful player, is learning how to modulate this deceptive inner nature in imaginative, constructive, creative ways instead of being entrapped in dull, stupid, obvious, life draining expressions of it.
so many excellent posts in this thread - thanks guys!
First, I agree with some of what Terry had to say, but I also agree with Sigma on this. I’m finding it fascinating how this is playing out.
It looks like this.
Men spend millions of years trying to spread their genes. Women spend that time trying to weed out the genes they want from the ones they don’t.
Men take the lead, and harems develop. Then power struggles and insecurity takes the lead, and the ball goes to monogamy and women. Then, men discover what it is that pushes the right buttons in women to help spread their genes. Men being men, this knowledge spreads, becomes distorted, improved upon, grows… changes… and women discover that men are doing this “gaming” thing.
Women feel threatened because they don’t understand what’s going on, and men feel empowered because they don’t understand what’s going on either. The information spreads. grows, gets more refined and at the same time more diluted and confused. In the hands of a decent man, it is useful, and in the hands of an immature man, it is harmful. Just like anything else. Some women see some men being pigs and respond with alarm. They begin attacking the perceived threat. Then some men begin defending what is happening, while others see this as an opportunity to get in good with women, and start condemning it. All the while, confusion reigns, and not a damned thing is different than what was happening a million years back.
The fact is, people, Tacitus is right. We’re slightly evolved monkeys with more iltellect than we have the wisdom to harness properly. The “game” has always been there in one way or another. It, like all things, is changing, but the buttons are the same.
I didn’t understand at first why women were coming down on me so hard for using PUA terminology when I posted, but I see now that the terminology is associated with men who want to go out and get laid as soon as possible and then find another conquest. Not my idea of a real man either. But, the game is the same for the man who’s just out for some tail, or the guy who’s looking to attract his choice of women. The game is called attraction, and what women seem to be responding to with terror is the fact that attraction is not a choice. These buttons that are being pushed are illogical and emotional and resist common sense, so women rightly feel vulnerable because let’s face it, nobody wants to be taken advantage of and used and thrown aside.
But at the same time, as I said, these buttons are there from time immemorial, and it used to be that they got pushed more or less randomly. Now we know how to push them more specifically. And, just as with anything else, some people will abuse this information, and some people will not. Some people will get hurt, and some will be made happy.
In the end, it all comes down to one simple fact.
Nothing has changed but the day of the week.
She still wants the same thing she always did, and so does he. And before you start jumping to conclusions about what that means, take the time to think.
Why is a man “better” for trying to kiss a woman’s ass in order to get into her pants (evolutionarily speaking) than the man who pushes the buttons that get her wanting to have sex with him on purpose?
The funny thing is that I’ve been accused of being a pick up artist, which I don’t think of as a bad thing, but my “style of game” breaks a lot of the PUA rules. For instance, the three second rule? HAhahaha! Try three hours, or three days, or even three weeks in some cases. My goal isn’t to get women in bed. My goal is to play the game that women like to play, with them, and have fun doing it. Women see socializing as a form of entertainment, a game if you will. And when I finally realized what that was, I was enlightened. If you stop worrying about “getting the girl” and forget about sex, then you are freed up to have FUN. You socialize and play with one another. It’s sort of like a game of social/verbal volley ball, really. For me it’s not about getting anywhere, or getting anyone, or getting anything. I go in without expectations, without trying to fulfill any needs, and seek to enjoy my fellow human. Females, of course, afford the opportunity for interactions that men do not, since I’m heterosexual male… but I’m certainly not worried about whether she ends up in bed with me.
That I attract women the way I do comes largely from the fact that really, I don’t care if she’s attracted. Or interested in sex. Or has a boyfriend, or husband, or fiance. Ir finds me attractive, or likes me, or whatever. I’m there to enjoy her company.
It seems to me that when a woman comes across a man who has this attitude, she finds that man naturally more attractive. He’s not insecure. He’s not needy. He’s not trying to fertilize her eggs. He is comfortable and enjoyable to be around. In other words, he shares a good time with her, and leaves her be otherwise.
If she likes this, she’ll signal her interest. And if he’s got more than half a brain, he’ll notice, and either decide to accept her invitation to play a more intimate “game” or not.
Nothing has changed. There have always been men who were “naturals” and there have always been men who were not. Only now, the men who are not, can learn to be more effective in becoming what a woman wants, instead of just resorting to a club and a dark alley.
It’s not a black and white issue, as some of you seem to want to make it out to be. I can assure you, properly handled, a woman of exceptional intelligence, self esteem, self worth and strength of character will be appreciative of a man who knows how to play the game. I know this, because I happen to be such a man, and I happen to have such a woman. It’s not about being fakey. It’s about men learning how to play the games that women insist we play in order to succeed. Ladies, like it or not, you’re always looking for the man who exhibits certain specific qualities, and those qualities are not always obvious. So you do things to see what we’re made of. Push, pull poke, prod… you test us. And that testing is this game I’m referring to. You build an obstacle course to keep out the wannabes and losers. Makes perfect sense. But don’t get upset when a guy figures out how to get through that obstacle course, because it’s your own obstacle course. Remember what it’s for, and be glad when a guy decides to improve himself enough to get through it!
But what about these guys who only want the prize at the finish line? Well, sooner or later, they’ll learn that sex by itself is not all it’s cracked up to be, and they’ll change. Just like women grow and mature and learn to better handle things, so do men. We just take a bit longer in some cases.
Game has more than one meaning. Life’s not black and white. And like I said… nothing’s really changed.
Well i have said what i have said and the main thing is I AM HAPPY. I have done my job well. Some people have obvoiusly found themselves unsettled by themselves, and others will also experience this when this causes them to have a glance inside of themselves. There has been and will be many more positive responses because there are always lessons to learn from these tools. I am glad that every person who has replied has been touched. So what i have said stands and that is FINAL. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD EXCEPT MY POST SCRIPT. PS At some time in my existence i have been a more terrible being than any being that has posted herein and you have all been so much better than I whome is improving,hopefully and i am looking within and learning who i am,i realise this will provoke comment, but i can laugh. So bless you all and i wish you ALL a prosperous new year.terry0400-40
Nice post Pquirk
Awesome post bro I enjoyed reading that!
Most of us have some “Plan” or “Game” plan for dealing with life I suspect. Some sort of roadmap for our journey.
“All the world is a stage, and the men and women mearly players, and each in their time plays many parts.” (to butcher some Shakespeare)
“The Game” is just one plan. The goal is learning how/knowing when to write you own.
(And yes, I agree this should probably be a Lounge topic.)
Terry,
better not to be a ‘terrible being’ in the first place instead of judging people smugly and then saying something relatively conciliatry. I think all the quality, measured replies to your rants here show that many people learning pick up are not immature little boys but people into self-improvement, rather like many other pheromone users.
Visionary
Of course it is better not to be a terrible being in the first place you ga ga any one can say that in hindsight, and it is only your immature opinion that people are being judged smugly, so before you go on about ranting you had better check first to see if your arse is on fire because you wouldnt even know that, I am glad you are into self improvement it is a good start but first go learn who your stupid little shit for brains SELF is, and then you might have a small chance of becoming a visionary. ( self improvement as you say more like SELFISH IMPROVEMENT) U stupid little busted arsole.. go and get a life along with those who NEED THE SILLY LITTLE “GAME” yous are all a lot of limpid stupid immature little wasted wankers. FOR GOODNESS SAKE WAKE UP TO YOURSELVES AND GET A LIFE YOUS ALL LITTLE FICKLE LOST BOYS.
^ i thought your wern’t going to post anymore?
this is a great post… we should sticky this comment.
I find it ironic, how you run around calling everyone else immature little boys, but the only one who hasn’t handled this thread in an mature fashion is in fact you, terry. I see no credibility in what anyone who has to resort to slinging insults to defend a point, has to say. This has actually turned out to be a pretty good thread. But if you have nothing useful to contribute, then stay out of it. Because honestly, if all you want to do is talk down on everyone, you’re only making a fool of yourself, and no one cares what a person like that has to say.
Terry, it isn’t always a matter of what you say…its HOW YOU SAY IT
How you say it….
I think that really, that’s the backbone how and why people ‘run game’ on each other. It isn’t necessarily a matter of falsely representing yourself and manipulating others (as people like to see it). Rather, it’s a matter of how you take your attraction to someone…or how you take your feelings for someone…and present it in a fashion that will help further advance these sensations. Coming on aggressively enough to advance attractions, without coming on so strongly that it hinders them…it takes a bit of finesse. Even if attractions between two people exist, its often a matter of how these attractions are handled that determine whether or not that they take off into something greater. Attraction to someone is something that is often projected without the use of words….but a lot of how one will interpret these sensations lies in how you express it. It lies in ‘how you say it.’
Observe how the stupid low life egotistical selfish parasites try and justify their motivations.terry0400-40
Terry, you are out of line; that can be good, but this time it isn’t.
When I see you call people names, I think “This reveals the labels Terry knows the world by.” Yet I can say it really does little to change my experience of sigma, but it changes my opinion of you a lot.
As for the labels of your world, just try on the idea that it’s okay to be stupid, to be a low life, to be an egotistical selfish parasite. No need to invest those labels with fear or any other emotional valence.
It’s our lies about ourselves that suggest the person we’d like to become. Making them into lies about others doesn’t help anyone forward on their path. If pissing in your pants gives you a warm feeling, have at it, just don’t expect anyone to sit in your lap.
Terry, you’re missing my point. No one here directly ‘dissed’ on your perspective…its atually a good perspective, I think. In fact, most of us concede your point to some extent. You’re more than welcome to ‘help us observe our true selves’…in fact there are probably some things we could learn from you.
What people disagree with is how you go about making your point…your choice of vocabulary and tone. You seem to have a very ‘colorful’ way of expressing yourself…its quite fun and entertaining in other posts, but when its spun in a negative fashion towards other people, it can be disrespectful and offensive…even if you don’t intend it to be.
Anyway I don’t want to start an ongoing dispute, so I’ll let it be and let the positve part of this discussion play itself out. Have a happy new year, terry.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Terry, I dont think anyone here understands the way you write, it’s a Aussie Larikan style that is beyond thier comprehension. I once read (not to long ago and it’s a university study) that Yanks (north Americans) in particular cannot understand or rather lack Irony, im not suprised at the responses you have been getting from the members. Terry, if you wrote this on a Aussie forum, everyone would have had a good laugh instead of going into some stupid defensive mode.
Terry, your da Man!
I will not be drawn into the content of this thread but I just wanted to say how proud I am of the way the majority of people have handled themselves.
A very wise woman whom I respect greatly once said to me:
Well done guys, you are a credit to man and womankind.