Suggestions for MHarris regarding future putative mones

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MHarris wrote about two of the current batch of putative mones :

“They excite me due to their larger than natural presence in the head sweat of men predominantly rated as typical “sexy” by women. (the presence in head sweat being a major clue that they may be pheromones)”

Well I am thinking is there a way you can isolate pheromones from male genitals/male genital sweat?
Yeah I know sounds dirty but who knows what kind of exciting sexual-type mones are there. It is rumoured that is where NPA/The Edge are found naturally for example (in lower concentrations of course).

And we all know there is a potential huge market for sexual-type aphrodisiac mones . It looks like we have plenty of communication enhancingmones (the TA series and putatives as well) at the moment so why not go this way if it is feasible?

Visionary

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Right! Right! Right! :stuck_out_tongue:

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Hmm. How can I put this politely…

Just because a potential pheromone is found in the head sweat of brutally sexy men, doesn’t mean it’s not found in their “genital sweat”, as well.

I’m just far too polite and/or puritanical to put things in those terms or talk much about “ball sweat” publicly. :smiley:

Maybe I am even excessively cautious and puritanical, simply because the pheromone industry, at large, has attributed fraudulently attributed strong sexual attributes (they’ll be your Instant Sex Goddess, ready to bone in 3 seconds!") to almost every pheromone in existence.

That’s inaccurate, and inaccuracy hurts the evolution of this technology.

We must determine exactly what these molecules do, instead of pre-emptively labeling them sexual.

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The T series is not merely communication enhancing. There are sexual pheromones there, too.

A Test is a Test… you can end up with anything.

It’s true that many turned out to increase communication and empathy, but they’re not all like not, nor will they all be like that in the future.

In no way am I anti-sex, but I am pro-accuracy and pro-ethics.

The Great Androstenone Experiment, for one, should produce at least one variation of this molecule which is -more- sexual than -none alone.

P75 and P76 may end up being pro-sexual in a strong, overt manner, like androstenone.

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Almost EVERYTHING which signals health, youth and vibrancy IS sexual.

We wouldn’t have sex if it wasn’t for reproduction, and biologically we want to reproduce with the healthiest and most expressive of the species.

Openness (Alpha-nol, etc.), Shine (TAA), beta-nol, ALL of the useful molecules are in some way sexual.

Sure, they may not be Red Light District sexual like androstenone is, but they’re certainly useful triggers for attraction.

Useful indicators for reproductive fitness.

Since all pheromones (with the exception of copulins) are the end result of hormone metabolism, they are ALL indicators, in some way, of health.

They ALL indicate higher than normal hormonal activity, which tends to indicate good health, and thus they are ALL useful indicators for reproductive fitness.

To summarize: Unless they’re repugnant alarm-pheromones, all good pheromones are ALL in some way sexual.

Have you ever liked a girl who was more expressive than most?
Have you ever been attracted to a loud person?
How about an athlete?
How about someone on a good diet that does lots of Yoga or Pilates?

There is a sexual edge to most displays of expressiveness and health. They’re natural indicators of biological functioning, and such indicators work to increase attraction.

That’s why people buy artificial indicators of reproductive fitness – fancy cars, nice clothes, cool shoes. If you got money, if you can survive in style the way you do, then something is working well somewhere… clearly showing that you’re a good candidate for mating.

While I don’t call alpha-androstenol a “sexual pheromone”, it is still sexual in this way.

Even if exposure doesn’t instantly evoke mental pictures of genitalia and ripplying muscles, it’s still has attributes which tie into our attraction triggering system.

Spirited communication & feelings of elation are sexy, they are attractive.

So is the sometimes mental “stun” effect of alpha-nol.

Who do we tend to go mentally blank around, after all?

People we’re attracted to! :slight_smile:

The chatty effect, too. Who do women often chat like maniacs around?

People they’re attracted to.

These pheromones may not directly and quckly lead to sex (quickly, meaning, under an hour, like some people hope), like androstenone sometimes can with an ovulating woman or a “bad girl”, but they definitely open the door.

Combined with good “game” and good social awareness, a little Instant Shine and openness will definitely will put you on the path to a woman’s bed. A path that can take as little as 4 to 9 hours to travel.

Even A314 becomes a pickup tool to a real pick up artist, because A314 clearly and easily communicates higher value.

'Younger man's A314' fuzed with the 'cool guy vibe': combining MX105 with P74
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Look I am sorry MHarris I didn’t mean to sound as if I was bagging the putatives or the current crop of pheromones that we have (IS, IO ,A314 , etc.). I totally agree a pheromone doesn’t have to be ‘instant sexual’ to get people attracted. I do fine as it is with the current lot with the women (though I would like to improve as well). You guys at Androtics are doing great work and have made my life more fun so thanks for that! I agree the current crop of putatives do sound great and potentially ‘sexual’ and I personally can’t wait to get my hands on P75 .

I know you hate the whole sleazy way pheromones have been marketed before and you are trying to go in a different direction so to speak and I respect you guys for that.

What I ment was I am just suprised that there are only a few mones out there that make things seem more erotic and that make one think more of sex. Maybe if we look at the sexual organs and isolate mones from there, we might find some interesting compounds there. It was just an idea.

Visionary

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Nah… that’s ok. I didn’t think you were bagging them.

However, I think you did help me realize that I might be underplaying the sexual nature of things too much.

If this industry wasn’t full of OVERPLAYING the sexual aspects of mones, I’d probably be reasonable about this. But, things being the way they are, there’s a definite negative bias in my descriptions and explorations.

Right, you hit the nail on the head.

The funny thing is, is that I’m actually not anti-sex or anything. That’s more Winifred Cutler’s thing.

If I found the next great super, dripping hot monkey sex pheromone like androstenone, then I’d be quite happy with that (and partly what P75 and P76 are attempts at).

It’s just that, above all things, I want accuracy.

However, I do think I go a little overboard in NOT mentioning sexual sides of the pheromones. I’ve overcompensated for the sins of the rest of the industry, perhaps?

And it’s a great idea!

Don’t let the length of my response to you make you think I abreacted to you. It just hit me that I underplay the sexual side of pheromones, and I was trying to lay out - publicly - that all pheromones do have a sexual side. That’s all that’s about.

if I’m mad at anybody, it’s me, for having gone too far in my attempts at full, honest disclosure about what these wonderful molecules do.

If you want genital area pheromones, definitely check out P75 and P76.

There may be some more in the test putative series, too.

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Hi MHarris

below is an epilogue of a message a few weeks back where an seemingly smart science student student proposed a theory that 4-androsten-3-one would work powerfully on the female VNO. We now know that Estrataetrenol works well as a pheromone (See Sigma & Countesswithzero’s posts on the Androtics forum for example) so there may be something to activating the VNO as a marker for a good pheromone ( A1 works great of course).

Anyway is it possible for you to look into getting this compound 4-androsten-3-one if it is not already in one of the putatives? I have included a more detailed message about this in your PM.

Thanks
Visionary

“EPILOGUE: Therefore, it is my hypothesis that 4-androsten-3-one, as a molecular hybrid containing the most desired substitutions may be very active at the human female VNO, more so than the archetypical androsta-4,16-dien-3-one. If possible I ask for you good folks within this esoteric paradigm to voice your opinion with respect to this hypothesis.”

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It isn’t the size of the boat, it’s the motion of the ocean…

This was an old quip that translates into “it isn’t penis size that makes the difference, it’s the full body experience”… ahhh… back in the old days when men were seriously neurotic about penis size differentials… men with horse cocks were thought to be natural superstuds and men with vienna sausages were, theoretically, low libido flatliners…

Then came a male sexual revolution of sorts, flew in under the radar, with Mystery Method and whatnot that focused on the quality of “the game”… they psychologized the process drawing on NLP, sales training, evolutionary biology etc… “big dickness” was no longer a prime determinant of much of anything… probably a worthwhile educative experience for any young fella setting off to Sexville… and they won’t say a word about pheromones because they don’t see the need for them, they get their results through conversational and behavioral skills.

Ooooor… there are situations where women teach superior relational skills as well, such as when you find an acting class taught by a hot babe, and believe me, hot babes come in all shapes, sizes and age ranges… upon which you find a female skill set of conversational and behavioral skills, when done right, are a marvellous complement to male skills…

The absolutely numero uno best thing you can do is take an on camera class taught by an intuitive woman where you are interacting with women, like the label says, on camera.. the feedback you’ll receive over a 6 to 8 week period is absolutely invaluable, accept no substitutes… you’ll see how you look, hear how you sound, and get a clear third party feedback on what you’re doing behaviorally… you may be better than you thought in one area and have distracting tics you never considered in another area..

This is so powerful and immediately useful my belief is that it should be a core part of every social education… they average person has little idea of how they are perceived and how their behaviors impact others, including employers, potential hook ups, counterparties in negotiations, interviewers, anything and everything…

I would go so far as to propose that if every person in American had six months of high quality on camera training our society would be positively transformed beyond recognition and the citizens would be thrilled with the social results. Like that going to happen, right ? Well, you can make it happen for yourself and reap the rewards while everyone around you is fumbling for the right move.

When you combine pheromones with high self understanding and a good knowledge of how other people are behaviorally structured everything flows easily and naturally… the key point is that you should never have to over-rely on any one trick, move, or solution… the best “game” is a seamless blend of a dozen well practiced (think: unconsciously reflexive, installed so deeply they are second nature) social patterns, which pheromones ecologically fit in as an expansion of the whole ability set.

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Unfortunately, we already have it.

I’d love to hear more postulating from the said student, though.

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dear god noooooooo

is that where that stuff comes from??? :open_mouth:
the real question is how do you collect it???:open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

just kidding of course.:stuck_out_tongue: