TAH, TAL and MEO-est in a mens mix?

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I’ve read a few posts about the effects of these products, and and it sounds like they would depending on your situation be very much along the lines of the effects I’d want my own mones to have on women…ie TAL helping to make a woman a little more aggressive sexually etc.

It seems a few male users here have used some or all of these products in their own mixes. My question is, how much do you use to get the desired effect from the female without giving off a feminine vibe yourself? is that effect minimized if worn with a good amount of more masculine none/rone products?

Essentially I’m wondering how much Instant Sexiness for example, can be used on a male to effect a woman as though she were the one wearing it and having a self effect without giving off a feminine vibe myself.

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I guess that’s a no

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Don’t have TAL, but the couple of times I’ve run tests with TAH (2.5-5mcg) both men and women seemed to be a little weirded out. Although, if I remember correctly only small amounts of masculine pheromones were added.
However that doesn’t mean your hypothesis is without merit and if you do a search I’m sure suggestions on the appropriate dosage/ products can be obtained. In fact if I remember correctly a whole bunch of threads exist on this subject, which would explain the IS/A on my wish list.

What may be of help is my finding that 2-3 sprays of a very small amount of EOW (1dr per 30ml) not only appears to provide good social proofing but also has the added effect of repelling gay men*. Interestingly enough the flip side of too much EOW seems to result in more attention from straight and bi men.

*(If you are gay please understand that no bigotry is implied.)

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I’d really like input from the guys that have used these products in their own mixes.
Did you use it with Rone or None based products? If so do they reduce the effects of those products or enhance them?

If I were to include IS/A or TAL with my own mix, would it be more inclined to attract very forward sexually assertive women, or would it simply make the women around me feel more sexually forward?, and likewise would me wearing IS/B make a woman feel more demure or “sex kittenish”?

In my own personal experiences with the masculine products and AD’s market claims and forum feedback on both mens and womens products I’m developing my own theories with regard to product compatibility.
If TAL is “Angelina Jolie” in a bottle, then a compatible mens mix might look like
2 Drops A314 For status and value
1 Spray IJ or a few sprays of TuTH or Ammo 2X for strength and sexuality
Instant Openness 1 or 2 sprays for a fun light vibe
Some SP Cops
At least one spray of Instant Shine because frankly I think that shit makes EVERYTHING better
Now I’m thinking TAL would work with that since that mix as it is would probably only attract very confident and sexual women to begin with. The TAL in theory would only make them more aggressive in trying to get your attention…again never having used it before I could be way off and TAH might be more ideal since it’s supposed to help a woman feel more demure and kittenish it would enhance the strong masculine qualities of a rone/none heavy mix…the Yin to your Yang so to speak.
I’m thinking with TAL this combo seems like a cougar/milf magnet mix

Of the flip side there’s IS/B or TAH. I’m thinking a mix might include
1 Drop A314 and 1 spray Instant Gentleman. Still dominant but with an almost patriarchal “Daddy” quality.
Instant Honesty for a sense of connection
1, maybe 2 shots of TuTH just to maintain a sexual presence.
Half the dose of Cops as the first mix
And of course either TAH or IS/B, not sure how much though.I’m thinking this mix would be most effective on women below the age of say 25…or have some serious “Daddy” issues. I don’t even know if adding TAH to this mix would be good idea since adding something that sounds like it has an almost “shy” type of sexy to a mix that’s already soft on the masculinity/sexuality might have an almost neutering effect on you in her eyes.

Not sure how A1 and/or MEO-EST would fit into these sort of mixes, I’d appreciate input from anyone that’s tried anything similar.

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I’m transgender, but I mostly look like a man, even though I typically wear androgynous and feminine clothing, or else punk or high fashion stuff (recently returned from Taiwan, have some custom pieces I wear, etc). I’ve been playing with some of the pheros you mention.

One, my first good combo, my first day out, was 1x25mcg TAL and 1xCTTM2. I had lots of IOI from young women at a college, though I didn’t get any attention from the uber-dyke I was hitting on. I also had a very confident and strong young woman just walk up to me and start talking while I was reading… and she let me do bodily adjustments on her to get her into a basic Qi Kung posture.

My feeling was that I had to make myself congruent with the TAL from the beginning. And it did require a shift into less masculine warmth and more cat-like slinkiness… I felt a lot more femme in the minutes after putting it on than before.

I’ve also found that what you’re saying with the COPs is right. A tiny bit excites straight girls towards me, and more starts to get straight men’s attention (which is good for me). I have also had a combo, I think it was just TAL and CTTM plus a little alcohol get an almost totally straight guy pawing all over me. So my experience is that people will “process” the feelings they get in a myriad of different ways.

TAL and CTTM2 is probably still my best mix for just getting everyone to start talking to me out of nowhere, while I feel sexy and confident.

I could see the TAL vibe working in a cat like sensuality for a man, too, though. Think of a vampire, or a lion… this COULD be very masculine. Not rough around the edges and grab someone and make her panties wet, but still bite his woman on the scruff of her neck in the heat of passion, after crawling all over her like a writhing dance of sexuality.

But that’s my kinda vibe anyway, when I get into a masculine role. My last girlfriend said sexual intercourse with me was like tribidism with her girlfriend from college. And that was before I ever mentioned being transsexual or anything… just something she kept saying she felt.

If I put it another way, what did Charlie Sheen say to John Malkovich in Being John M? “Hot Lesbian witches? John I’m telling you this as your friend – don’t let this one go.”

TAH (which I’ve only used in IS/B) is waaaay soft. I don’t know how this would be rolled into a masculine thing. Though if your girl was bi, or if you had a bi target, you might inspire her to treat you very differently. And why not? LOL, I’ll bet you’d love the way a girl kisses you when she loses track of you being “Mr. Man” . . .

For me the key to ALL this stuff is how I wrap myself around the different pheros. I’m finding that it isn’t a clear cut, one vibe thing either… but congruency is key. How YOU get congruent with TAL can differ from me or someone else. I am only new at this and I have a couple of different ways to sink into the basic vibe of it, but the basic vibe of it is always the same.

TAL is like a certain hot blouse by a great designer. Prince wears it differently than Angelina Jolie. But did you ever think Prince didn’t find what he wanted with a cute girl when he wanted one? Or Angelina for that matter if she wanted a girlfriend?

I’m about to go out dancing for spring equinox at a fashion party/rave thing… I’m wearing TAL at 25mcg, CTTMx2 (and bringing the bottle) and EST at 25mcg.

I’ll post in my pherotalk blog over in the women’s section tomorrow how it goes. I need to go get ready now.

–Jeannine

A Journey Towards Freedom (my non phero blog)

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1.25 - 3.75mcg each TAL and TAH

I don’t think of MEO-EST as feminine, but 10 - 12.5mcg

Yes.

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So you use both together or do you mean either/or?

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You can use both or separate. I haven’t used them together to great affect but I’ve used them along with more masculine mixes with decent success. If your that interested its better to simply test them for yourself at warren’s recommended dosages.

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I generally use TAH and TAL both together in equal amounts. You can add a little more TAH for a more cuddly effect or more TAL for a bitchier effect, though there’s usually not much call for the latter.

I find that 3.75mcg each of both TAH and TAL is a complete “bitch shield” destroyer.

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How much rone or none based product do you use with that amount?

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I know I am not one of the guys but I have been using and mixing various mones for both males and females for a long time as well as doing a lot of research and experimenting with test subjects so I do have a understanding for how these molecules work.

Radman I think the combo’s your suggesting above are really good although you didnt mention how much TAL or TAH you planned to use. The dosages Warren suggested look about right for male use. You dont want to go to much higher then that.

Both males and female make many of the same pheromones it is just the ratio we make them in that differs. This is what you need to watch when using pheromones that are geared towards one gender or the other. The female mones can steer a men’s mix.

For instance both women and men make anone, however men make significantly more then a women who just emits a trace amount. If a women wear it it in small amounts it can make men more sexually aggressive just like it does when they wear it. To much and a women gives off a butch vibe.

Now lets look at TAL. On a women it can make the user feel feminine sexy aggressive and dominant. This is also the signal this particular pheromone sends. The signal says something about you the person sending the signal. When you wear this putative you are sending the signal about you. The person receiving the signal is not going to necessarily feel those emotions on a personal level with every putative. So yes if she is wearing TAL it may make her more sexually aggressive but not if your wearing TAL. On you it sends a more patriarchal dominant signal. It wont attract this type of female usually submissive females attract to the dominant signal.

Its easier to explain with TAH which is a softer more submissive vibe.

On a women it gives the feeling and signal of soft sweet sexy submissive female. On a man it softens his signature making the signal he is sending more sweet sexy submissive, It doesn’t make the targets feel they are more soft sexy submissive when exposed to the pheromone when your wearing it. So you wont attract sexy submissive women using it. You more likely to attract dominate controlling females who are looking for soft submissive male types.

Lets look at using a basic example using your other senses. Pink is a great color. On most women it looks feminine sexy and soft. Females can wear a outfit entirely pink and look attractive. Not so much on a guy. Some pink accents look nice but if you walk in decked out in pink from head to toe its not attractive its just to soft for a male. Now you wearing all pink is not going to make the ladies around you feel more feminine sexy and soft, its going to make them think that about you.

As long as you use them to steer your other male pheromone instead of as the prominent pheromone you can make some really great mixes.

Oh and Meo-est is not gender specific. I think it probably works much better worn on the men then on females however I have not researched this one as much because I react badly to it.

Tisha

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well I didn’t mention it because since I’ve never used either I wasn’t sure how much to use or if it was even a good idea for a mens mix. You’re input has been a huge help though as it answer most of my questions. Basically I’m looking for a molecule that will work in conjunction with the none to either attract women that are naturally more forward and sexually assertive, or help them to feel that way.
I’m thinking perhaps one spray of either ISA or IS/B then buffered with some more male mones products to help direct it.

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For me, it’s usually three drops of A314.