Tentative conclusions from / about P85

[Quicksilver]

Below are all the notes I found on P85 that interested me … Following up on this could take pheromone research in a completely different direction.

Can anyone come up with a scientific method way of testing the effect of this phero? Too bad Rupert Sheldrake doesn’t know about or have a way of testing P85.

Cheers,

Quicksilver

@tisha23

I had read it was talk show like and helps people come out of there shells. I on the other hand went very quiet and observant I was content to just sit and watch. … a strange thing happened. I had to test it over and over to be sure. I answered questions before people asked them. I know it sounds crazy but it consistently happened.
… All the females in my family are somewhat intuitive. Out of all of us, I tend to see things with clarity and I am a bit more intuitive then the rest. P85 seemed to sharpen that.
I applied later in the day 10 mcg to my wrists again. Same dizzy feeling, slightly nauseous. I am sitting in the swing room taking a break and chatting with my co-workers and my friend sits down and starts to eat her sandwich. I asked her if she got that leak taken care of in her house. She turns to me and says Shhhhh I am going to leave after lunch on sick leave to meet the contractor. Then she says how did you know I had a leak ? I said you told me. She said “I didnt tell anyone we just found it this morning and I didnt want them to know I was leaving to meet the contractor or I would have to use vacation time” I didnt wear it in the day time because I was all alone just cleaning and stuff but later when my husband and son got home from work/school I applied 2 sprays one split to wrists one to the back of neck.
So I am cooking dinner. Pork Chops, rice veggies and salad and my hubby comes in and I didnt even turn around. I say to him … well tuff we are having pork chops not macaroni. He looked at me funny and said How did you know I wanted macaroni. I could have sworn he said it but he insists he didnt say anything when he came in the room.
OK now I am freaking out a little.
I can list 20 more instances where stuff like this happened and truly I am reluctant to even talk about it because it sounds “out there”. Not that I mind being strange I kinda like it but how can a pheromone do this ? I can see it increasing focus but this is ridiculous.
I cant tell you what it did to other people if anything. I was to focused on what it was doing to me to comprehend it. My opinion is that dizzy feeling is something being activated in my brain. What ? I have no ideal but thats what it feels like. Something waking up.
Tisha

(more at http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-journals/reports-stuff-47275-3.html#post392685)

@tisha23

… This putative enhanced my empathic side I think.
… A Lady was looking for the long boxed velveeta cheese for cooking and she was looking in the boxed instant macaroni and cheese isle. She didnt say anything but without thinking I said its in Isle 15 near the chilled cheeses. She said I am looking for Velveeta and I repeated it “yep its in Isle 15” LOL She looked at me like I was the devil.
Sure enough when I passed her later she had the cheese and she kept looking at me funny. I have no control over it either it just pops in. Normally I can control it.
I know its weird but thats is all I am getting from P85. I never got anything like this with any other putative. I have tested it for a week and always get that dizzy feeling every time which I dont like.
Tisha

@Kimmie_D

P85 - 100mcg Coconut-Vanilla
10 sprays at 10 mcg mostly on arms hair, neck, 1 split on feet.
… it gives a slight, tight, in the front of my head headache that goes away. I felt it the other day but, it didn’t last and I sprayed so much stuff I thought I just got overload but, it happened again and it came on like right after I sprayed it so, I do think that it does that but maybe I will get used to it because it wasn’t as bad today.
I noticed my friend and her Mother were more happy and talkative. Her Mother started showing me pictures and giving me advice and I don’t know her that well and she has not done that before.
I went to the corner store and the girl that works there seemed friendlier and told me she was pregnant.
I know these aren’t major but, I definitly think P85 is peaceful. I am going to try less amounts, though I think.

Possible interpretation:
Interesting that Kimmie_D (female) had a similar headache when she used it,
… and I wonder what brought on the advice giving?

@SteveO

Interesting little thing happened today with my testing of P85!
I’ve been using P85 by itself for the last couple of days. Last night at a local book store some college kids got real chatty with me. It was the type of chat you reserve for “trustworthy” old friends. A little disconcerting to hear what they were telling me, but all the same, I got that vibe they felt as if they could relate to me.
Today at work my boss up and tells me how much he appreciates me and (no lie) how trustworthy he feels I am. He tells me he has a big project going in Mississippi beginning next year and he’d like me to run it.
We’ve always have had good talks but he has never said anything like that before.
I used 25 mcg unscented to back of hair at 9am.

Possible interpretation:
If the effect is the same as Tisha’s, perhaps the boss had an increased sense of SteveO’s honesty, likewise with the college kids in the bookstore. The ability not heightened to the point of mind reading, but a sort of vague intent reader / broadcaster.

@Warren

I have tried P85 several times now and I am not sure what it is doing. The first couple of times I wore it (about 25mcg), I noticed very little. Perhaps there was a mild euphoric effect. I am not sure that “euphoric” is the best word. It was very suble, kind of like drinking half a beer – more annoying than enjoyable.
I have not found that P85 makes me more talkative – quite the contrary.
I wore about 75mcg of P85 to a dinner meeting over the week end. I was hoping to get the trustworthy old friends, comfort building effect that Steve described, the trustworthy adult vibe of m3turbo or the “people coming out of their shell more” described by Visonary. I also wore A314, IH and IO as would be typical for me. Wine was served. I did not notice anything positive from the P85. One acquaintance noted that I was being unusually quiet. … I pretty much kept to myself. I felt very A.D.D. and had trouble following the proceedings. The food tasted mighty good. I got along fine with the people I did talk to, but nothing exceptional happened in the way of conversation.
On a separate occasion, I tried adding P85 (45mcg) to my Sensuality Mix 2.1. The P85 seemed to add an almost psychedelic effect with awareness drawn to the interaction of light and shadow, sometimes seeming to vibrate in an almost strobe light effect. It was amusing in a trippy way, but distracting from sensuality.

Possible interpretation:
If the effect is the same as Tisha’s, perhaps Warren was unwittingly picking up on the intent / mood of others in the room. Whether it be annoying euphoria or having trouble following the proceedings, it seems that something unexpected was intruding in on his subconscious. Perhaps the food tasting good was multiplied by the sense he got from others as well. Perhaps it’s synesthesia. (Perhaps it was just really good food, LOL) One side point: 75mcg? That’s a LOT of P85!

@Warren

I started adding about 15mcg P85 to my typical mix. I had been experimenting with mixes based on P93, P90, P87, P81 and I’d usually wear A314 and IO with this. As far as self effects, the P85 seemed to add a subtle sense of alertness and comfort.

@Warren

There was one very big effect on other people that occurred consistently over several consecutive occasions. When I went to the sports bar, young men, half my age, would walk over and introduce themselves, reminisce about life at the university, things that had happened since and so forth. I think I’d call it a sense of “fraternity” –
in the general sense of the word (I never joined one the Greek-lettered clubs when I was in college). This probably corresponds to the “trustworthy old friends” effect that Steve discusses above.
On one occasion this young girl was running around high-fiving people after a touch down. I was surprised when she trotted twenty feet across the room, from where she was sitting, to slap my hands. Apparently the P85 has a positive effect on females as well. These things never happened when I did not wear the P85. It made all the difference, in this setting.
I found that IH made a miraculous difference in getting my seventeen year old son to open up and talk to me about what’s on his mind. This is not the case with my more introverted thirteen year old, however. With the latter, P85 does seem to help, a little.

Possible interpretation:
If the effect is the same as Tisha’s, perhaps Warren was unwittingly broadcasting his intent to others in the room, who subconsciously sense it and feel he is “safe.”
Perhaps for his introverted 13yr old, it gives him a better sense of the right
questions to ask, while at the same time communicating good intentions, allowing his child to lower his/her trust barriers in a situation where IH did not work well..

@JohnnyHard

I find also it’s a teamplayer, you can see this effects for example if you play
soccer. … But all in all it’s nothing into your face, it’s more subtle.

Possible interpretation:
Imagine a telepathic soccer team…

@Warren

Over the weekend I decided that if 15mcg of P85 was good, maybe I should give a higher dose another try. I used 30mcg. I felt over-stimulated and was generally irritible. … made me feel less, rather than more, social. I felt a bit self-conscious. My conclusion is that 15mcg is just about the right amount of P85 (for my purposes, at least).
Thinking about P85 as teamwork, I realize that being part of a team means an
awareness of the place of oneself within that team. Perhaps that’s why a little too much P85 creates a feeling of self-consciousness. I wonder how a more extroverted person would experience a “little too much” P85. … The combination of confidence from A314 and self-consciousness, at the same time, from P85 is a pretty contradictory set of feelings. That may be where the sense of irritation comes from.
Feeling inadequate as everyone calls you “sir” is weird!

Possible interpretation:
selfconsciousness - subconscious is somewhat aware that if others are an open book to you, you likely are an open book to them as well. I wonder if he was near others enough that they got a good whiff of this stuff, and their behavior indicated they were reacting to his percieved intentions. Also another interesting reference to teamwork…

@P51Mustang

I tested out P85 at 32.5mcg on the sides of the neck.
I got mixed results with clients today. It might have not had anything to do with anything but I figured I’d note it.
For the first set everything went smoothly, the trust is already there so it would be hard to deviate from that because of the baseline. However, they stuck around a lot longer than they normally do. They just kept talking more and more about other things that wasn’t pertinent to business matters.
…
Second interaction for the day was a newer client so the baseline isn’t established yet. The first interaction went well, but the second time around I was getting questioned and it was weird. I have to do a bit more testing but I think I’m gonna stop testing in the office and go outside and test this out in social environments.

Possible interpretation:
Second client sensed that they could get away with more, or the intent broadcast to them gave them the boldness/curiosity to ask mmore questions than the given social interaction would normally allow for.

@happykitsune

P85 12.5 mcg (2 sprays - chest and wrists)
Effects to self: I had been really anxious about the party that whole week because my sister allowed other people to invite guests which resulted in more guests then we wanted. I’m the type of person who feels they have to be responsible for everything so it’s hard for me to chill out. But I was able to keep it cool and enjoy myself, as well as have conversations with various people without feeling frustrated. I was pretty mellow and even tired even though I’d had a nap right before the party.
Effects to others: People seemed friendly and courteous. Of course they were a bunch of strangers in our house. A lot of people, when they found my room (my bf, friend and her bf had been watching the Super Bowl in my room), lingered there and a lot of them seemed pretty mellow.
Overall: Got some happy feelings, relaxed and mellow. I may spray 3 sprays next time just to get a better effect since the results were very subtle.

Possible interpretation:
meeting new people in a somewhat forced interaction, yet stress reduced and a "familiarity with old friends vibe produced. Was it a good group of people who instinctively sensed the good intentions of those around them?

@Olfact_Amorous

Back to back I’ve been using 40 mcgs of P85 to the sides of my neck along with either 1 spray of IJ or 3 sprays of Ammo layered on top.

In all my classes I’ve been in P85 has this common denominator of breaking barriers with people. Normally people have this barrier of not knowing me so they resort to this utmost boring form of small talk that leads to a couple one word answers lacking every quality of good socializing. When I talk to people in my classes with this stuff on I come off like a “Ryan Seacrest” TV personality type. I’m not saying I get charisma or socialibility or funnier but people see me as a representative of something “known” to them so they talk to me as if we have familiarity with each other even though its still quite superficial in the actual relationship sense.
People find my company enjoyable and even funny at times and I enjoy some respect from these individuals. The poison vindicated by the concept of “stranger” is quite subdued and the idea of community fosters itself as long as some effort is put it on my part. Even in one of my writing classes there were these 2 girls that ended up instantly clicking on the second day of class and now they chill and come to class together and all that good college nonsense. I know it seems like a coincidence but I never see anyone click that fast and these 2 sat right next to me.

I was never good at making friends so a development like this is a blessing of sorts to feed my social appetite. Although like anything I do have to warn that just as with all pheromones are misconstrued “miracle workers” of sorts I won’t make more friends with P85 but at least it will give me a fair shake with people.
Tacitus has a post talking about individuals that in no way shape or form fit in
society. I hate to acknowledge that I am one of those people … P85 helps me bridge that gap while I have to entertain the society that I really have stake in.

Possible interpretation:
LOL I don’t see the need to repeat myself … perhaps you see the pattern here?

@evolver

P85: Conversation extender. Enjoyable discourse. Mood boost.

@Olfact_Amorous

P85
Dosage - One spray of 20 mcg to the neck

… I decided I wanted subway. When I went inside the regular lady that serves me a lot greeted me. … Funny thing was that after saying that she decided to mention that even though 5 dollars was a good deal for a sub that it only cost 15 dollars for 70 pre made rolls that became the bread that we eat from there. After that I felt compelled to tell her that I only come to subway to get some veggies in my diet…
Strange conversation I know but it honestly gave me the whole Beta Androstenol vibe considering I’ve never seen anyone divulge any sort of cost of a item at any food place.
Later on in the day I also gave MX330 a whirl again. I took my last bottle of Pheros from L-S and mixed it with the 20 mL’s of MX330 to give basically a 1:1 ratio with 18 mL’s of Pheros cologne and 20mL from the MX330.
Application points - One spray under each ear and One spray to each forearm closer to the wrist area.

I went into Gamestop … this kid … I was telling him I like to play Gran Turismo.
… I was giving him a run down saying that … Gran Turismo was the way to go. He thanked me for the advice and as I was leaving I turned around to see the register guy pull out a copy of Gran Turismo as he was ringing up that same 11-13 year old kid that I was talking to. I have to say kids are not usually impressionable to suggestions from me so this left me quite impressed.

@Olfact_Amorous

P75 - 3.75 mcgs
MEO EST - 100 mcgs
P85 - 80 mcgs
TAF - 25 mcgs

Application points - P75 3 sprays to the neck, MEO EST 1 spray to back of neck and 3 to forearms, P85 4 sprays to forearms, TAF 2.5 sprays to forearms.

When some of my other classmates got to class it just all came together in a rush. At first people were just having single one on one chats and I was just listening but something happened to me and I was just talking to everyone. I was just really candid teasing … Then I was talking to the chic behind me about how if this class were different I would do better and what I needed out of class for it to work and we just bonded on the whole idea …
At first I didn’t really want to say anything to her but when I saw her talk to the spanish girl and turned my way a little more I did the weirdest thing and said to her “How ya doing” (don’t outwardly greet girls like that usually) She said she was good and how about me and if i studied. I told her I studied a little and I was good. Then she proceeded to ask me “Can I sit by you” not even letting me answer only to ask the girl if she could move her bag to sit by me. Now I realize that she had the intention to copy answers from me. It just didn’t make sense since I truthfully told her that I got a D on the midterm and she heard that loud and clear.
Later on after the test was over I went to go to the bathroom and walk around but I bumped into the dark skinned girl and we just started chatting and all was cheerful and good. We met up with the phillipino girl outside and sooner or later at least half the class was conversing with us outside (None of us were really friendly with each other at all until now).
Last notes - This brought me out of my shell in like no way I’ve ever seen before. It normally takes me days and days of seeing the same people in order to warm up to them but here it was almost instantaneous. It was just instant rapport/clicking going on.
Attraction quality was mild to moderate but I certainly had enough female attention to keep me more than satisfied.

Possible Interpretation:
I see a lot of group / trust effects, and Olfact Amorous explains that he normally does not use P85 in this mix, and changed for this day, and the effects he was seeing were extraordinary because of this.
“I was just listening but something happened to me and I was just talking to
everyone”
“we just bonded”
“I realize that she had the intention to copy answers from me.”
“sooner or later at least half the class was conversing with us outside”
“It was just instant rapport/clicking going on.”
I see a lot of “pro teamwork” or “intention sensing” in this post.

@evolver

I have been doing phone sales for the last couple years, and have experimented in many ways to find the best combination of pheromones to get the “inner game” part of the sales process down pat…
P84 and P85 are great for lengthening the conversation from increased rapport.

Hmmm over the phone? I’m not sure about how to read this … self effect?

@evolver

I have been testing P85 in doses from 5-20mcg
I find this putative to be social, in the sense that it promotes conversation and adds an eager quality to the interactions. It also has an eager conversational self effect. I find myself continuing conversations where it would normally end. I have additional things to say, and it makes a “spark sequence” of additional comments. It has slight charisma qualities as well.

Possible interpretation:
Eager in the sense of … ready to have a conversation without the hesitancy of knowing whether people want to hear what you have to say? Maybe I’m reading into this, but I think Tisha’s extreme reaction is a clue as to the direction this pheremone can take the inhalee

@M_M

P85 - Be treated like an old friend?

@tacitus

So far the P series is like:
P87
P85
P84
definitely cleaner uppers, perception refiners, focus without tension, kind of flow state enhancers, with P87 being the high octane brother of this group

@PheroQuirk

Yes - tried a messy mix of P85-P88 over my background daily combo (25-50mcg each) with 50mcg TAH to amp up social processing. One is more attuned to fine aspects of subcommunication - you are aware of the the very moment the listener’s state shifts when telling a story.

@m3turbo

Today I added P85 to my usual cocktail of pheros and I am quite pleased. Ther were no negative reactions at all. Three different people from two different classes who I can never seem to get to talk to me finally came out of their shell a little bit today . P85 seems to be a sort of trustworthy adult type vibe . It seems to be a mature sort of phero. Not sexual but good for communication. More testing needed but so far so good.

Possible Interpretation:
Same as above

And now another quote from Tisha to wrap the report up:

@tisha23

I have always believed we all have this ability most people just dont know how to use it or notice it. They chock lots of things up to coincidence. I would have to say it enhanced what was already there. Dosage can be a issue but I seen Tacticus and Warren using a lot more. Warren said he felt more ADD-ish. Tacticus said more focused and social.
Tisha

Tentative conclusion. This is not a trust enhancer for people with
manipulative/selfish intentions. It will give you away. On the other hand, if your intentions are good, it will broadcast that, and at the same time, give you a heightened social sense.

P85: a intent reader / broadcaster. Heightens intuitions of those who inhale it.

What are your thoughts, wise people?