P85 I would categorize as closer to P87, perhaps without the keen clarity of P87… wore a good 30 mu of P85 and went out to eat… the room was soon upbeat and chatty… in a wholesome, talky way… like P87 there is some of the cobweb clearing, depression eliminating uplift… a lowering of self consciousness… nothing romantic though, no visual glows, no sexy rushes…
Interesting little thing happened today with my testing of P85! I know this is a way old thread, but what better way to keep the forum clutter free than to add to a tacitus thread.
I’ve been using P85 by itself for the last couple of days. Last night at a local book store some college kids got real chatty with me. It was the type of chat you reserve for “trustworthy” old friends. A little disconcerting to hear what they were telling me, but all the same, I got that vibe they felt as if they could relate to me.
Today at work my boss up and tells me how much he appreciates me and (no lie) how trustworthy he feels I am. He tells me he has a big project going in Mississippi beginning next year and he’d like me to run it.
We’ve always have had good talks but he has never said anything like that before.
I’m wondering what other people might be getting from P85 and if it is still being experimented with. I don’t see many new threads at all on it.
I used 25 mcg unscented to back of hair at 9am.
Seems about right for both P84 and P85… P85 feels like a stronger version of P84… P84 was my “talk show host” pheromone… you have this confidence exuding, let’s discuss the matter, active listening, getting through-ness…
Very interesting. I’m going to have to use this one for comfort building.
Thanks for the insight tacitus
Um…anything new with p85? The search isn’t pulling up much
It’s amazing how many furging pheromones I have that are begging me to test.
I need to organize my experiments better!
haha, yeah. I’ll be hoping for some more experimentation on this one. I mean…an uplifting trust enhancer…um…Yes please!
I have a small quantity 1/6 of a togo in 5.0mcg at this point I don’t know if I used it or it leaked as i’m down over 10 togo bottles from leakage, and my pherobag is going to be thrown out due to an etire bottle of tuth and a bunch of putatives.
I am trying to get a girlfriend, a better one than i have now so any suggestions on which pheros i use. Notice hear, I am cheap aka cheapness. so think cheap.
I usually prefer to wait until I have some definite conclusions on a pheromone before posting about it. So I apologize for muddying the waters, but let me get these thoughts down before I forget. I have tried P85 several times now and I am not sure what it is doing. The first couple of times I wore it (about 25mcg), I noticed very little. Perhaps there was a mild euphoric effect. I am not sure that “euphoric” is the best word. It was very suble, kind of like drinking half a beer – more annoying than enjoyable.
Tacitus called P85 “talk show host”. He seemed to think P84 and P85 were similar. I believe he confused them in his mind as sometimes he would describe P84 in exactly the same words he had used previously for P85. I do not experience the two as particularly similar. It was Tacitus who first compared P84 to caffeine. *(P84 thread: first use report, since so little has been written about it). P84 has an energizing effect which I do not get from P85. I have not found that P85 makes me more talkative – quite the contrary.
I wore about 75mcg of P85 to a dinner meeting over the week end. I was hoping to get the trustworthy old friends, comfort building effect that Steve described, the trustworthy adult vibe of m3turbo or the “people coming out of their shell more” described by Visonary. I also wore A314, IH and IO as would be typical for me. Wine was served. I did not notice anything positive from the P85. One acquaintance noted that I was being unusually quiet. My horoscope said it was a bad day for socializing – maybe that’s all there is to it! I pretty much kept to myself. I felt very A.D.D. and had trouble following the proceedings. The food tasted mighty good. I got along fine with the people I did talk to, but nothing exceptional happened in the way of conversation.
On a separate occasion, I tried adding P85 (45mcg) to my Sensuality Mix 2.1. The P85 seemed to add an almost psychedelic effect with awareness drawn to the interaction of light and shadow, sometimes seeming to vibrate in an almost strobe light effect. It was amusing in a trippy way, but distracting from sensuality.
Well, I’ve never gotten a sense of “profundity” from any mone. If you need depth of intellect, feeling, or meaning look elsewhere… I have gotten some pretty horny reactions. More primordial than profound. She really wanted to make babies.
LOL I thought Tacitus was back for a minute. I was all excited
Tisha
P85! Another one that’s new to me. So many molecules, so little time…
During the college football season, I started adding about 15mcg P85 to my typical mix. I had been experimenting with mixes based on P93, P90, P87, P81 and I’d usually wear A314 and IO with this. As far as self effects, the P85 seemed to add a subtle sense of alertness and comfort.
There was one very big effect on other people that occurred consistently over several consecutive occasions. When I went to the sports bar, young men, half my age, would walk over and introduce themselves, reminisce about life at the university, things that had happened since and so forth. I think I’d call it a sense of “fraternity” – in the general sense of the word (I never joined one the Greek-lettered clubs when I was in college). This probably corresponds to the “trustworthy old friends” effect that Steve discusses above.
On one occasion this young girl was running around high-fiving people after a touch down. I was surprised when she trotted twenty feet across the room, from where she was sitting, to slap my hands. Apparently the P85 has a positive effect on females as well. These things never happened when I did not wear the P85. It made all the difference, in this setting.
I found that IH made a miraculous difference in getting my seventeen year old son to open up and talk to me about what’s on his mind. This is not the case with my more introverted thirteen year old, however. With the latter, P85 does seem to help, a little.
I’ve had occasion over the summer to experiment with P85 a bit more. I think it’s the teamwork pheromone.
You know how you go out with a group of friends and everyone gets along and works together. Everyone does their part. There’s consensus on where to go, what to do, how to do it. Then on another occasion you’re with another group (too often a family group that nothing else in common) where there’s constant bickering and resentment. People are constantly working at cross purposes, pulling in different directions…
What’s the difference between these two groups? I think it’s P85 (or whatever the effects of P85 are). With P85 people cooperate and work together as a team.
In an earlier post I questioned whether P85 might be attractive to the opposite sex. I now doubt that it is… It hasn’t seemed to elicit that sort of response, and I’ve been wearing it pretty often. I don’t know yet whether it helps to relegate one toward the friend zone or whether it’s just not particularly sexy. It does seem to have the teamwork effect on both men and women.
In conclusion, I like it a lot. It really smooths out life’s rough edges. I’ve been using 15mcg.
Yeah Warren is back, please more… 
I find also it’s a teamplayer, you can see this effects for example if you play soccer. It’s also a little fun maker and it’s calming. But all in all it’s nothing into your face, it’s more subtle. I tink it has potential in some mixes. But it’s no out of stock, maybe it comes back soon…
Warren has never really been away. Just like the late, but still great, tacitus Warren very much lives his life and spends his days wooing us common folk with his very uncommon life 
Whatever. I like him anyway… 
Over the weekend I decided that if 15mcg of P85 was good, maybe I should give a higher dose another try. I used 30mcg. I felt over-stimulated and was generally irritible. The “strobe light effect” I noted previously at 45mcg is probably a part of this being over-stimulated, which made me feel less, rather than more, social. I felt a bit self-conscious. My conlcusion is that 15mcg is just about the right amount of P85 (for my purposes, at least).
Thinking about P85 as teamwork, I realize that being part of a team means an awareness of the place of oneself within that team. Perhaps that’s why a little too much P85 creates a feeling of self-consciousness. I wonder how a more extroverted person would experience a “little too much” P85. I was also wearing A314. The combination of confidence from A314 and self-consciousness, at the same time, from P85 is a pretty contradictory set of feelings. That may be where the sense of irritation comes from. Feeling inadequate as everyone calls you “sir” is weird!
Now that the fall is here and my sons are back in school, I do hope I can experiment with pheromones and post more often. Thanks to JohnnyHard and Steve for the kind remarks. I do live an uncommon life, but uncommon does not necessarily mean better, I assure you! Sometimes (alluding to the beginning of the Matrix trilogy) I just wish I could take the “blue pill” and be a “normal” sheeple.