Hey guys.
Encouraging others to download without payment peoples work using bit torrent is not the philosophy of Androtics. We believe in making the world a better place. Please refrain from doing such.
Couldn’t have said it better myself D4.
Here is a great video of ross jeffries gold walk ups. You can find it by googling Ross Jeffries videos. Btw, I have purchased many of Ross’s products and I have put good money into his pockets, so I don’t consider myself a freeloader. I’m sure if he didn’t want that video showing he would have asked google to take it down.
He also mentions why he disagrees with negging and I agree with him.
whoa MAGIC BULLETS is not book sold on the common market, as far as im aware, search for it on any site that sells books and you wont find it, it only comes in pdf form, its not sold at amazon.com
that was the only book that i mentioned trying to download from other people, and i only suggested it because he mentioned he couldn’t find it, and he couldnt find it because its not sold to the public, as far as i know.
i agree that you should pay for what you use, but i think that situation was misunderstood because magic bullets doesnt fall under that category as far as i know.
but i will do my best to respect the rules of this site.
Magic Bullets is Savoy from Love Systems, formerly The Mystery Method and is available for sale there: Books - Love Systems - Formerly the Mystery Method Corp. - Pickup artist skills and dating advice
I will agree that mystery has BECOME a joke. Yes he has people paying 5000 for a bootcamp but in reality you are paying for the tools you use on this bootcamp. His advice is free. He wrote a damn book that shows everything that is in the bootcamp. Is he good at what he does YES. But mystery is realistically a performer.
How did he get on VH1???Because he is an entertainer. he pulls ratings. Did Mystery teach Style?? Yes he did. Along with Brad P, Tyler Durden, Ross Jefferies, David D, Juggler, Steve P.
I will agree however that mystery used to be one of the top dogs. But try opening a set and not making fun of the show. I have been in set. Had girls ask if I had seen the show. I tell them I watched it religeously to follow the progress of the guys. I then talk about how if you read “The Game” you get a first hand look of how low mystery’s self esteem really was.
And NOW…I digress.
Thanks a lot castlerock and Grant. This question is for castlerock. I don’t want to put you on the spot when I ask this question, but I have recently been to Ross Jeffries official site. I know that you personally enjoy him and have bought a lot of his material/products. At the top of it, he says:
“If You Don’t Get Laid, I Don’t Get Paid!
You Must Sleep With At Least 3 Hot Women Within
90 Days Of Using My Home Study Course
Or You Pay Nothing…I’ll Refund Every Penny”
Can you personally say that this personal promise by him is true for you? Feel free to pm me the answer if you are uncomfortable with answering here. I am very discreet about everything, as the many people I associate with here on pherotalk know. 
Ross Jeffries was a student of Mystery? Is that what you are telling me?
I can’t guarantee that, but it has worked for me and I’ve gotten amazing results with it. Yes, I had sex with them, but that wasn’t the amazing part. Nothing works 100% of the time. Ross doesn’t promise that. He even says his teachings will help you 70% of the time. It won’t work on drunks chicks, dumb chicks, chicks that are totally happy in their relationships. It will take time and practice. It’s like playing a sport. It takes time to develope your skills. You have to do it and practice it for real. Ross is giving so much of his teachings away for free that you can learn by searching for his stuff on the internet.
I want to maximize my potential. I know Ross’s teachings help me with that. So do the products on this website and that’s why I am here. Aim for Max Q.
When I started out I memorized one paragraph and practiced it and used it, and that’s how I started out. I took baby steps. I didn’t understand very much in the beginning, but that’s ok, you will as you get better. I can give you that paragraph but you have to say it in person to a female that you have rapport with or develope rapport with and then observe.
OK PEOPLE PICK UP 101
ross jeffries= teaches the seduction phase plain and simple.
Every pua that is famous has his own personal section of the game that he emphasizes, for instance, the most realistic order would be:
david deangelo = teaches personal confidence, the most precisely out of anyone, and teasing to get a comfortable vibe with the female going.
mystery = teachs how to become a god among your peers, and get the female to come within proximity in the first place THE ATTRACTION PHASE
As for qualification i give that a toss up between mystery and david deangelo
style = teaches the comfort phase, how to get a comfortable connection with the female, through the use of personality tests, romantic story telling, and nlp.
ross jeffries = teachs the seduction phase *** WHICH COULD NOT BE DONE WITH OUT THE PRIOR THREE *** but he completely owns this phase and is the only pua, that strictly works in this area.
Im not saying a certain pua has everything to offer, i believe you have to learn from all of them, because each has his own paticular niche in the game.
but i do know, to call mystery a joke, when he is the only pua to create a systematical formula for the game IS A JOKE, and the funniest part about it, is that everyone here that is saying he is one, is referring to someone HE TAUGHT for better results THATS A JOKE. Mystery is living his life, and i bet money everytime he goes out he gets what ever girl he wants PLAIN AND SIMPLE and that is the game.
THE ABILITY TO CREATE ATTRACTION FROM ANY FEMALE
ANY PUA THAT CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS LEAVES THE JOKE CATEGORY, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
I THINK ROSS JEFFRIES ACTS KINDA GAY IF YOU ASK ME, BUT HE GETS ANY FEMALE HE WANTS, THERE FORE I WOULD NEVER CALL HIM A JOKE. THEY ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER.
To get good at each phase you should learn from them all, not just ross jeffries you will get very little results if you do, because you cannot START IN SEDUCTION with out forming some kind of ATTRACTION, well atleast not with any 10’s, so i dont know maybe the ones calling mystery a joke are looking for 7’s, because it might work, just going straight into seduction on those types.
O AND ALL OF THEM FOLLOW MYSTERYS FORMULA TOO BY THE WAY so they obviously dont think hes one. Hes basically the founder of pua, whether people like it or not, hes the only one that can honestly say he created the formula for the game.
the only thing that not everyone follows would be NEGGING ross jeffries doesnt do that, but everyone else i mentioned does*
SO SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT ITS REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD, AND DENIAL.
NOW IM DONE RANTING
As for learning tactics, i found it better to learn the beginning phase, practice it in the field MULTIPLE TIMES intill mastered, then move on to the next phase, in sequence, but if you just try to stuff as much information in your brain as you can, you will get (mind blanks) in the field.
ross teaches how to build up confidence and how to approach women and build up rapport.
this is the mystery method, right? http://www.seductionbase.com/mysterymethod.htm
My mistake. Got carried away with the keyboard. Ross Jefferies is not a student of Mystery. There is actually some bad blood between Ross and Mystery. Probably for the reasons we have already addressed. Ross has a legitimate skill. Eric has charisma like none other.
The confusion was created. Hopefully noone holds it against me.
no problem, btw Erik von Markovik aka mystery was a student of ross jeffries and according to ross jeffries, mystery still uses the things he learned from ross.
I people would only get this: learning to hold your own energy and space while holding space for another person in a respectful way, while allowing whatever happens to happen… the world would be a better place.
And I’d be free to have as much fun as I wanted…
Diane
yea, ross jeffries was not a student of mystery that is true, and they dont seem to be friends, from the what i have learned on the subject, and castlerock is off they have never gotten along, if you research forums back and forth between the two of them.
IN THE VERY BEGINNING THEY ACTUALLY DID TALK, IN FORUMS INVOLVING PICKUP, THAT IS HOW THEY BOTH BECAME FAMOUS, FROM DOING REALLY AMAZING POSTS IN FORUMS INVOLVING PICKUP, ON THER PERSONAL METHODS OF THE GAME, BUT NEVER ON A FRIEND LEVEL JUST AS TWO MUTUAL LOVERS OF THE GAME BUT WITH DIFFERENT VIEW POINTS ON HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE
they have never agreed on the subject of pickup, and for that matter where to do it, ross jeffries doesnt mess with bars and clubs for the most part, hes mostly day game, and mystery is strictly bar hopping and club scene
and they dont agree, because you need different tactics for daygame versus night game, you dont have to compete with other people in daygame, hence no need for negging, or teasing for that matter, but could be used none the less, but ross jeffries see’s no need for it, which is logical because he realizes its unneeded in daygame.
there methods are just different, ACTUALLY THERE REALLY NOT
ross jeffries STILL follows a similar formula to mysterys method he just doesnt involve certain parts and remains strictly in seduction for most of the interaction with the female
-every pua opens that not argument
-every pua transitions to make the conversation comfortable not an argument
-ross jeffries after this point goes into seduction
he skips qualification, and dhving thats the only difference.
(well i guess you can consider his hypnosis tactics his personal type of dhv) but sense the female is not consciously aware that she is being turn on, through his routines they dont really count as dhv’s, shes really honestly kinda being manipulated but shes not consciously aware of it, hes says certain things to get arousal from the female, but thats a whole different discussion, whatever his routines they work if done correctly.
he stays primary in comfort and seduction, during his pickup, but hes still following the formula just skipping parts that arent absolutely necessary IN DAY GAME
ross jeffries is a genius with his own personal method of the game
mystery is a genius with his own personal method of the game
i honestly use them both, i follow the mystery method to a " T"
but when i come to the comfort and seduction phase of the interaction, i use ross jeffries tactics there both amazing
THERE BOTH NEEDED IF YOU WANT TO BE EXTREMELY GOOD AND CONSISTENT WITH YOUR GAME, PLAIN AND SIMPLE
but they dont get along, and never have, and neither “studied” under the other that is not correct.
Ross Jeffries called him out on it. I even saw the video of it. Ross said, let’s see who can get more chicks but you can’t use any of my techniques and where was Mystery? No response. Ross has been at it since 1988. He’s been around a long time because his stuff works and all the biters get pissed off because of it.
notice how he says, “therefore, must have value,” and points to himself. a command, “have sex with me,” and a bunch of others, notice all the self pointing. start out 2:30.
wow bro, actually if you want to get technical about it ross jeffries didnt create ANY of his material, if you research just about anything that has to do with nlp, you would know that what he uses comes from richard bandler and his associates from the development of nlp, furthmore even if you dont count the nlp, hes using basic forms of hypnosis along with nlp and basic knowledge of pickup to form a way of seducing women
THEREFORE EVERYTHING THAT YOUR SAYING IS “HIS”, IS REALLY A COLLECTION OF ALOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLES KNOWLEDGE ON VARIOUS SUBJECTS
NLP HYPNOSIS BASICS OF PICK UP
COMPLIATED INTO A FORM OF SEDUCTION THAT HE FINDS TO BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FOR HIM
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I also think its hilarious that theres 3 10’s sitting next to him
WONDER HOW HE COULD DO THAT SENSE HE’S SUCH A JOKE SUPPOSEDLY