Some-experienced user here…over the last year have essentially streamlined an effective TUTH-based profile that i’ve seen effectively used for turning old friends into new flames, if you will. That’s been a really interesting journey, adding and subtracting different elements to and from the mix (1yr retrospective post to come).
However, I’m in a new situation that I thought the wisdom of the forum might be able to assist with.
Enter the target of interest: gorgeous 20yo female latina. Very sweet girl, fun, able to keep up with snappy repartée.
However. The level of coy emanating from this girl? Mind boggling. Even the most observant of IOI-watchers would be flummoxed, as the combination of mixed signals shrouded by calculated shyness is akin to trying to count stars in an overcast sky.
So obviously in this case, the TUTH-based system I’ve honed is not really applicable. If we apply the metaphor of the shakespearean play, TUTH is great if you’re in act V and want to go back to act III and change the plot, but in this case? I’m stuck in act II.
I am indeed speaking of rising action. However, act III (the climax, closing the deal) never seems like a plausible next step. The cues simply do not arrive. So the action is stagnant in the rising phase. I’ll look into A314+IH
Over the last year or so, I systematically took 3 old friends and turned them into lovers. TUTH was used each time, along with situations tailored to each person. Dosage, buffers, covers, and finesse are EXTREMELY important. But what started as a “hmm just used my $25 giftcard on some pheros lets see what happens” turned into (by #3) a procedure of sorts. As I said above, more details to come when I do the full write-up, but yeah.
Keep in mind though, none of these were girls I had been acutely interested in at the start of the friendship, just more of a “we’ve known each other for years, so how might I go about taking the low-level latent sexual tension present in many heterosexual friendships and amplify/steer it into something more”
What products do you have and do you think that your system you’ve developed for the past year have only been for going from Act V to Act III?
In general, the A314 aura does work well. And theories here about how women of hispanic and african descent have better tolerances to Androstenone should play a good factor in what you’re trying to achieve with her. You know since she’s younger too it could be her level of maturity surfacing.
I currently have: mx297, mx301, TUTH, SL, and a tiny bit of IG. In the past, I have also had IH, IO, IG, CTTM2. On order, I have: Ammo, P83. Plan to re-up in the IH, IO department when my next paycheck comes in, since I have greatly enjoyed them and sadly am out.
As far as my past usage ‘system,’ I can’t really answer your question properly. On this forum it’s very well established that hits can be had from a variety of products with people of acquaintance level or lower. Knowing this, I was interested in how gradual alterations of a chemical signature can affect perception in people who were already very familiar with the baseline signature and accompanying person. I realize this sort of goes against the gospel of congruence, but I think the gradualness helped here, as well as the possibility of subtle change in personality via self-effects.
So as you see, I definitely see some narrowing confirmation bias as to the applicability of my ‘system.’ It may very well be useful in the current situation, but I’m seeing far less success with it in this context (though I have toned down the TUTH content recently because of the none in 297).
For the record, first interaction with this girl was:
2x IH
2x IO
1x TUTH
Looks like I need to find someone to sell me a smallish aliquot of a314 for testing in the immediate future, since I definitely can’t drop the $110 right now for a whole bottle…
The aformentioned TUTH-based friend conversion mix has only been really tested on older women. Granted, not a HUGE difference in 2/3 cases (20 and 21 yo when I was 19 and 20 respectively), though in the third case it was slightly more significant (24 when I was 19).
The current girl is exactly a year younger than me, if that makes a difference. I considered this because in the last year there was also another girl I was seeing who showed no acute differential in response w/ or w/o pheros, also about a year younger than me.
I considered that, and it remains a possibility. But I’m generally decent-or-better at screening that sort of behavior out, and I haven’t seen any red flags. Here and there I’ve noticed a concerning behavior, but few and far between. Thusfar I’ve chalked those slights up to her inexperience (very conservative catholic, all-girls catholic school, etc). At any rate, I’ll be reporting back when I see this girl again…likely this coming weekend.
OK here is a question for you. Is she a virgin? Is she saving herself for marriage? You said she went to an all girls catholic school. There is always the possibility that she’s not interested in anything without a commitment and, no matter what you wear if that’s one of her value’s, you aren’t getting into her pants.
Escalating from Act II to Act III sounds exactly like making the transition from comfort to seduction in the M3 Model. Now with a girl you just met you have two start at the beginning with A1 and open. However opening somebody you already know is silly. So you basically have to run A2 and C1 concurrently. You’re already in a fair level of comfort if you’re in a “friends” relationship. Simply continue with the friendship and work on flipping the attraction switches…look at it as Act II but with occasional flashbacks to Scene’s 1&2 from Act I.
Frame physical contact (and thus potential sex) as a reward or something that she should see as value. IE initiate escalating kino as if it’s a reward for positive response to screening and/or compliance. Ask a question and if she gives you an answer you like, give her a high five, or something, gradually escalate to a friendly hug etc.
This accomplishes a two fold goal. First she becomes comfortable with your touch as it comes non sexually at first and often enough that it’s not out of place. Second by giving the touch from the context of her getting it because she pleased you non sexually you frame it as something positive with good feelings attached to it.
Eventually if you treat it like a reward, so will she and she’ll want more of the positive feelings that have been anchored to it.
Generally speaking, Latinas often can are more comfortable around slightly higher levels of 'none than caucasian women. Latinas are often looking for something difficult to find - the strong alpha male who is also somewhat sensitive and commited. (I guess you can say that about a lot of women.) But what catches their attention is the alpha. Not necessarily the rude, arrogant alpha but a strong man all the same.
You know her and so what you need to figure out is she looking for the cool quiet alpha or the center of attention alpha.
Given that, one of the earlier recommendations of A314 is probably right on. Maybe a little more none. And I would also go with Ishine (keep it fun and upbeat) and IH for deepening the connection.
I am gonna skip all the act 1 and act 2 stuff and get right down to business.
Coyness is part of her personality so your not going to change that using pheromones. Pheromones dont change they influence.
My advice to you is to use TUTH with liberal amounts of IH and P74.
A314 would also work well but you need those connector mones.
Coy people need more focused attention bordering on aggressive. ( not in a mean physical sort of way) more on a masculine leader type of vibe. A guy who can patiently pull there attention again and again until they can feel comfortable and connected.
I think if you combine these two, then you have your answer. Mones are one part, but physical escalation and especially rewarding for by touch are important. This is where you have to have your game together.
My reputation: definitely not preceding me. She goes to a different school, so her connection to my existing social network is minimal at best (met her when she was a PA on set for a film I was helping with).
As for the virgin thing. Certainly a possibility, in fact could be very likely. Dunno about the marriage thing. For the record, I’m not just trying to get in her pants (though it’s important for me to establish sexual compatibility before getting in a relationship). So…that’s something to contend with I guess.
Thanks for all the advice re: nonverbal signature, both chemical and physical. Definitely something to keep in mind!
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