The Quest for Congruence - Diary of a Feminist Man

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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Thanks again 1Alpha. With more experience I will hopefully be able to give back to the community much as you do.

It is easy to get caught up in the ‘what’s over the next hill’ game. I have only had Ammo and IG for three days and am already thinking ‘hmmm…if only I had P130 and TAC’. I have also been a bit scattergun with the combos but if I’m fumbling my way to a good mix then it’ll work out.

That’s not to say that you and Miss Dragon aren’t giving good advice and knowing me I’ll be making a fresh order soon.

The problem is, it’s so much fun!

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I agree, it is really fun! But it’s an expensive hobby. I haven’t been able to do as much experimenting with p130 as I’d like, I lost my job just after I got it. So far, I can definitely vouch for the self-effects. From time to time, I’ll experience a bit of social anxiety. P130 seems to relieve that for me. I haven’t experienced any bitchiness in myself, but I’ll keep an eye out to see if it makes others respond in that way.

Now that I don’t have a reputation to uphold within a job, I hope to be able to do some more drastic experimentation with the mones I currently have. I’ll certainly let you know if I discover anything applicable.

It sounds like you got some really wonderful effects with Ammo and IG! Have you tried them separately to find out what effect each one is specifically having? Perhaps your mix could be improved by adjusting levels…using more or less of one or the other.

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Sorry to hear about your job Miss Dragon, I hope you can find another one straight away. Tough times.

And this is certainly an expensive hobby, the expense only outweighed by the potential benefits. If mones help a marriage become stronger long-term then to be honest it is worth almost any expense.

But ‘playing’ with mones is an enjoyable bonus, to be sure :slight_smile: Do let me know how it goes.

I haven’t tried IG and Ammo separately yet, altering only application points last night. I sprayed IG on my wrists and my wife rubbed her face against my hands, loving the hair strokage. So perhaps IG is the key component, I’ll let you know more when I find out. I actually focused on telling her how much I love her, reinforcing our feelings with sweet words until we almost melted into each other. She is in mid-cycle right now and I want her to associate these loved feelings with the phase she is most receptive. Long-term this will help as much as the mones in being bonded close.

Interesting how close I feel to her when wearing this mix, I just want to hold on tight. It makes congruence easy and yes, I feel very horny but in a patient, relaxed way that doesn’t need to lead to anything. It is more of an ‘ambient horniness’ if that makes sense.

Oh, and I went to buy TAC and P130 last night and the P130 had sold out. I decided to hold back on the order but I hope you can pick up some more when you need it.

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OK…have just ordered enough mones that along with my existing stash should get me through to the end of the year.

TAC and P74 have been added to three bottles of A314, three bottles of IG, three bottles of Ammo, IS, IH, TUTH and P83 plus the gift putatives in my collection.

If I go anywhere near the Store before Christmas you have my permission to use lethal force.

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So…reflections on the past seven days.

At Work

Standard work form this week has been 2 drops A314 with 2 sprays Instant Gentleman to the jawline and neck respectively. It has given continued (and embedded?) personal confidence with clear respect from the female head of my organisation (42 years old) including increased eye contact (flirting?), asking my opinion on several decisions and a request I speak at a conference at short notice.

Can’t be sure all this is due to the mones but her general demeanour has greater deference and respect. I’m guessing that intelligent, talented alpha women respond well to A314 because they are observant and sensitive to status signals as an indicator of the ability to get things done.

But note to self, congruence is about more than convincing others the mone signal is consistent with me, it also means delivering the goods when others raise their expectations…

At Home

My standard home mix this week has been 2 drops A314 (jawline); 2 sprays Instant Gentleman (front of neck); 2 sprays Instant Honesty (back of neck)

Not especially sexual effects on my wife (or even verbal) but I have never been held so tight at night as during this week. One night she was practically climbing into me, limpet-like, hour after hour. There was passion there for sure, something I enjoyed greatly :slight_smile:

My wife has been slipping little respect clues from the A314 in there as well. Comments like ‘you do know the girls and me really do appreciate all you do for us’ have been common. Not remarkable in themselves but when said with total eye contact and a serious look that isn’t normally present I put it down to the mones.

Interestingly the socials including Instant Honesty and Instant Shine have failed to bring out any sexy talk with my wife. Not even with P83. A shame because what would I do for her to give me a whisper of naughtiness. Again just a theory but for dirty talk I’m assuming there needs to be hidden dirty thoughts. So if my wife is truly as non-sexual as it seems there ain’t anything to be brought out by the trust/social mones.

That doesn’t mean she isn’t passionate about me, just that this isn’t and possibly won’t ever be expressed in a sexual way.

Anyway, the red flag in now flying and she doesn’t appear to be quite as responsive to mones in general. TAC and P74 are on their way so they will be in my sandpit next week, looking forward to that.

General Thought

A further word on congruence. It does seem to be true that A314 (and also possibly Instant Gentleman) profoundly shapes the wearer in a way that makes congruence easier. This manifests through a sharp self-awareness of when I’m contradicting the mone signals and an almost physical pull to bring my actions back in line with them. This is a strange feeling, subtle yet obvious at the same time. But a great tool for self-development to be sure :slight_smile:

Oh, and still reading through the forums. Now back to page 668 of the Men’s Tricks and Tips forum and just starting on the journals.

So many contributors to this forum have offered insights but special props to P51Mustang for writing such an interesting and detailed journal. Highly recommended.

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Well tonight I belatedly took the advice of Miss Dragon and went back to Instant Shine. To be precise:

Maintained the base of two drops A314, this time applied to immediately above and below my lips.
One spray of Ammo to the chest.
Four sprays of Instant Shine on front, sides and back of neck.

Slow burn this one, nothing happened till we went to bed. But a light goodnight kiss turned into a 15 minute makeout session. Nothing too intense, that isn’t my wife’s style, but she wouldn’t let my lips leave hers for the longest time.

And then the kicker, I left the bed, naked and clearly aroused, and to my surprise she looked straight at me…down there. She is normally very shy and never looks at me when I’m naked so this was something quite new.

Inevitably one of our daughters woke up so that was that. But I’m guessing one or both the A314 application point and the decent dose of Shine were moving things on.

I’m still determined to take my time, the situation is very delicate, and I do want her to initiate or at least mirror my desire. But this was very encouraging and I am slowly getting a sense of being desired by my wife after the longest time.

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Wow, so much has gone on in your mone experiences!! :slight_smile: Good to see such growth in your intimate life as I look back at your intro posts on this thread and find that the intimacy has been growing like a delicate flower that is blooming…

Mmmm… I’m waiting to see your thoughts on TAC… :slight_smile:

1Alpha

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Hey 1Alpha, thanks for your continued interest :slight_smile:

Yes, there has been a progression but I’m acutely aware that with only an hour a day together alone with my wife there are any number of other factors in how things go.

I’m also so aware I’m only scratching the surface of both the use and psychology of mones. One observation is that now their use is becoming ‘normalised’ for me I’m becoming less aware of their impact. For instance, I might find myself in a long and reasonably intense conversation with a woman at work and after ten minutes I realise ‘oh yeah, I’m wearing mones here, maybe that’s why we’re sitting here talking when we could be err, working.’

Oh, and TAC, how would you suggest I use it? Initially by itself? And in what amount? I plan to pop into the office tomorrow to collect it so will give a report soon.

PS I’m INFP by the way.

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I tried four sprays of TAC last night on top of the usual two drops of A314 but encountered the usual FMR (First Minute Resistance) from my wife.

As of that moment, after six years of trying, I have decided to actively give up attempting to seduce my wife, it only causes disappontment. I won’t stop wearing mones because they do make a difference in other areas of my life but as so many others have said they can’t make someone do what they actively do not want to do.

I’m sure mones have softened my wife and changed the way she feels at times but physical intimacy still requires a decision on her part, a decision to allow herself to be physically and emotionally vulnerable. This is a decision she doesn’t appear to be ready to make and I am at the end of all my efforts to persuade/encourage her to do so.

I am going to continue wearing mones around her but without any hope or expectation. Our relationship and her barriers are more complex than a few chemcial compounds.

But for all that, Androtics products do work, their customer service is fantastic and I don’t regret starting on this journey. Work and social aquaintances do respond to the mones and I’ll continue to post here from time to time should anything really interesting happen. And if the very unlikely should happen and my wife does respond and take the initiative I’ll certainly let you know here.

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I’ve found nearly all women shockingly receptive to rather high amounts of -eNone when you wear TAC with it. Mixing pure -eNone with TAC (in the same bottle) is very interesting. A simple mix of 2.5 of NONE to 5 of TAC can create some simmering arousal over time and repeated use. It’s not so expensive in the store, and you can make 60 mL (12 TOGO bottles) of mix. If you alter your daily signature and give it some weeks or months, patience may be rewarded. I wear this mix with P75 every day. It’s really my AMMO.

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Thanks for the suggestion monesmadedoit*

I haven’t mixed in the same bottle before so will search the forum for tips when I next get the chance. I assume layering these products is nowhere near as effective for you?

*but you do know it is the hope that kills me, not the failure…so must…resist…the…hope :stuck_out_tongue:

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Mate , I am the biggest fan of p130. It turns me into David Beckham (not from a speech perspective ) but when combined with ammo and a314 , I get super strong hits from tons of ladies. On me , when combined with ammo /a314 it super charges my confidence. But I sincerely state that it turns me into a rockstar. Made the mistake of wearing it on the train, I think I squirted 3 sprays and I was on A 3 x 3 seat and the 5 seats next to me filled with young and really attractive girls who normally avoid me like the plague when I just wear a314. In fact everyone avoids me on the train when I wear a314 and only when there are no free seats do I then have people sitting next to me . In fact that same morning when I got to work some PAs ran after me to the kitchen . I think they found my signature irresistible. They were totally overtly blown away. Cut a long story short , p130 is my rockstar putative and I am dying to get my hands on as much as possible. I have too little to try it solo but have to say it has some sort of mesmerising effect on the ladies when combined with none and or rone.

So in summary - self effects when combined with rone / none - super confidence.
Effects on the ladies - super indicators of interest. I don’t think it has any negative impact on other guys either.

Given you are based in the UK , If you don’t find p130 does anything for you then please send it to me and I will trade you some TAC !

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Yes, mixing is different. Here are some examples. Even 7.5 of TAC and 2.5 of -eNone is good. I typically add 7.5 of P75 to that, but it’s according to taste. It delivers very good buffering. Simply layering TAC and None by themselves isn’t as good. The None burns in a slow and stealthy way underneath the comfort of TAC. Women can be responsive to as little as 1 mcg or less None with a few mics T A C for comfort per each mic of None. A mixed spray delivers this well. My three 30 mL bottles yield 90 mL of mix. You can make a version with 75 and without and use it daily for months.

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Sorry to hear your conclusion. It seemed like great strides were being accomplished. I can understand your frustration, though. The journey may be fascinating, but you certainly had a destination in mind. For your own mental health, it might be a good idea to not dwell on false (we assume as much) hope.

Perhaps you could incorporate some of that “simmering arousal” technique into your daily regimen. Not for the purpose of focusing on seduction, but more like leaving a breadcrumb trail in the event that she should change her mind and decide to play fair.

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Hey folks, cheers for your ideas.

Hey Right Mr, I actually don’t have any P130 - it was out of stock when I made my last order and now I’m holding off for a while until my supplies run down. Nice hits though, when I next order that’s on the list.

Monesmadedoit, encouraged by your posts I have ordered a filling funnel for mixing my mones. I don’t have P75 but will play around with TUTH and TAC and report back. Thanks!

Miss Dragon, thanks as ever for your interest and input. There has been many times over the years I have ‘given up’ yet have always come back for another go. It isn’t over yet much as any given day feels like it.

I like your ‘breadcrumbs’ analogy, yes, that feels about right. I’ll lay a trail and see what happens…

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Oh, and a quick social hit from late last week.

I went for a coffee and deep’n’meaningful conversation on Thursday with a female friend. To whit I wore:

Two sprays IH
Two sprays P83
Two sprays Ammo x2

The next day she sent me the following message:

“I am rather surprised about about how easy I found it to be so open with you. I discussed things with you that I have never verbalised quite so explicitly before. Is that what counselling is like I wonder? Maybe you could add another string to your bow.”

We remain platonic friends but the mones certainly added a particular depth and flavour to our conversation!

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Interesting that you bring that up. I’ve been wondering, myself, if IH would be like a secret weapon to therapists. I’ve just ordered some myself, and am looking forward to playing with it. I’m not officially a therapist, but certainly enjoy connecting with people and hashing out their psyches with them.

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Possibly, Miss Dragon, possibly. I imagine if the other ingredients are in place the mones could really add to the therapeutic conversation. Minus the Ammo of course…!

I too have wondered if any therapists post here and have used mones as part of their role. However, I’m guessing it would be against professional rules to disclose any details, even anonymously.

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I just read this and it made me think of you. Since you have found the slow path to be completely frustrating, perhaps you might consider a radically different approach: dropping the bomb. There is the possibility that this might not work, but high doses of p83 have been reported as very effective on women that were resistant to common sexual peros. Here’s what I assume to be the first discovery on the hidden power of high-dose p83:

https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686

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Hey Miss Dragon, thanks for the suggestion, super thoughtful of you. In the pursuit of science I’ll give it a go…75mg of P83 it is.

I’ll report back in a few hours, rain or shine :slight_smile: