To be less harmless and more polarizing

[metalTree]

I have no balls - Could not do a simple exercise.

The pheromones are definitely working but I just don’t have any balls. On a positive note, I got to really strong hits within 5 minutes inside the first bar I went to.

Last night, I wore the following pheromones:
1 spray of Instant Jerk to my chest
1 spray of my Instant Jerk/Cologne mix (1:1) to my throat
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists

I gave myself a very simple exercise to do last night. The exercise was to approach 10 girls and tell them 2 things.

1. Give one of the three compliments to a woman: “You look fun” or “you look down to earth”
2. Then follow up with the following provocative statement: “Do you watch adult films?”
   I was expecting the women to give me a dirty look, and walk away. Of course I never found out because I didn’t have the balls to do this very simple exercise with even one women.

Highlights of the evening

1. (Hit #1) On the subway platform, I was standing near the tracks and I heard a woman walking by. I turned around to look at her when she was almost behind me. She saw me looking and immediately stopped behind me. So, I just look at the subway tracks. A minute laster she moves a couple of feet towards me. Then a couple of minutes later, she picks a spot on the tracks near me. Now, I didn’t think it would be appropriate to do my exercise on the train platform. So I tried to engage her in small talk but her English was not that good. I made couple of statements about how the trains don’t run that often on weekends. She agreed but she didn’t start talking herself so I gave up. Then on the train, we ended up holding the same pole but nothing else happened.
2. (Hit #2) I walk into the first bar and I order a drink at the bar. A nice looking woman comes to the bar and orders a drink as well. As she is waiting for the drink, she presses her elbow into my arm and leaves it there the whole time she was waiting for the drink. I was going to do the exercise on her but I just couldn’t do it.
3. (Hit #3) The I take a walk to the other side of the bar and I feel a tap on my shoulder. I turn around and this girl who is part of the bachelorette party has some sort of a scavenger hunt list. She want my help for the item, “Find a guy to write his philosophy of marriage on a napkin.” She holds my drink and hands me a napkin. She tells me to use her back to write on the napkin so I do that. I write “Philosophy of marriage - Life Over”. She looks at the napkin and laughs. Then she shows it to her friends and they laugh. They hold up their glasses and do cheers with me. Then I ask a couple of questions about the wedding but they get bored really quickly. So the conversation ends as quickly as it started.
4. (Hit #4) I’m in a crowded area and this girl squeezes by me as I’m dancing. She deliberately grabs the left side of my chest (around the nipple area) and squeezes a little. If a guy did that to a girl he would get arrested but of course there are different rules of behavior for men and women in bars. I basically got molested and I liked it.
5. (Hit #5) I move to a raised dance floor area and dance. This one girl looks back at me and makes contact with me so many times I couldn’t count. Eventually, a spot near the edge of the raised dance floor opens so I move there so I can look at the crowd. With 20 seconds of moving, this girl followed me and started bumping me again. I completely froze and couldn’t open her. So I just danced and ignored her even thought I wanted to talk to her. Eventually after a few minutes, she moved away.
6. I observed this guy in a pink shirt who amused me because he actually had a matting call. I first noticed him when he approached the girls in highlight #5. He would walk up to the girls put his hands in front of his mouth and shout at the top of his lungs, “wooooooooooooo”. Then he would dance intensely shaking his head in a head banger fashion. The women would turn their backs on him and he eventually would walk away. I saw him repeat this at least a few times.
7. I got hits (#2, #3, #4, #5) in the first 30 minutes of being in the bar. I approached no one and the only women I spoke to was the bachelorette party who spoke to me. To avoid doing my exercise and to avoid approaching women, I just danced for the next hour and a half. It was just a freaking crutch to avoid taking action. I got no more hits because I danced way too long by myself. That can be cool for a little while but it’s just weird done for too long. I decide to get the hell out of there. I stayed at the first bar way too long and it was already almost 2AM when I left.
8. I go to a dive like bar with a dance floor that gets crowded on the weekends. To avoid doing my exercise, I go to the dance floor and start dancing.
9. (Hit #6) This woman is dancing near me and bumps into me deliberately several times so I decide to run my exercise. I tell her that she looks like a fun girl and she seems to like that. She starts dancing with me and I end up not doing the second part of the exercise. I dance with her instead. After a few minutes of dancing, I try to engage in small talk and then she gets bored and goes to her friends.
10. (Hit #7). I’m dancing and this woman starts dancing near me rubbing her ass against me. She does this for a while. I tell her that she seems like a fun girl. I then tell her that I would like to get to know her better. She says, “We’ll see” but then she moves away from me. Later she moves back near me and bumps me more.
11. I see a girl sitting alone so I do a cold approach. She is friendly but I fail to do my exercise on her. Instead I engage her is small talk and she is very receptive at first but after a couple of minutes of small talk, she get bored and starts looking around. So I politely excuse myself.
12. I dance for a while more and then 4AM arrives and the bar closes. So I leave.
13. As I’m walking back, there is a girl walking by herself behind me. She had bumped into me on the dance floor a couple of times but I never saw her look at me. I strike up a conversation with her and she reacted positively. She obviously recognized me from the dance floor. So we engaged in small talk for a few minutes until we had to part ways because we both were headed to different trains.

Overall, the night was a failure. I had given myself a simple exercise to make a provocative statement to 10 girls and observe their reactions. I didn’t even make a provocative statement to even one woman. I am very disappointed in myself. I need to somehow break out of my boring small talk pattering in bars/clubs because women seem to hate small talk in those environments.

[jayarea]

@metalTree

Overall, the night was a failure. I had given myself a simple exercise to make a provocative statement to 10 girls and observe their reactions. I didn’t even make a provocative statement to even one woman. I am very disappointed in myself. I need to somehow break out of my boring small talk pattering in bars/clubs because women seem to hate small talk in those environments.

ok, this might be a little harsh, but you are so close. for the most part you’re on point, your pheros are chipping in, you just need that extra push to get you going. here’s my advice and comments on your post, see if you agree with any of it. it’s ok if you don’t. keep in mind that i’m not any sort of pua or womanizer; i’ve been in many of your situations before and my advice comes from experience.

first i would say to change your exercise and remove that second part. notice how you didn’t even attempt it in the first few hits? then after hit 6 you tried the first part and got some response. think of it not as an exercise where you have to say x and y to a girl, but rather, try saying one thing to a girl that fits the situation. “hello” works fine. with such an overbearing exercise it’s easy to mentally think “oh i can’t do it, screw it, i’ll wait for the next girl.” make it easy for yourself and start slow.

hit 1: understandable. seems like you did well given her english.

hit 2: was she alone and standing quietly, and did you also hear what kind of drink she ordered? if so, (next time around this happens) you could comment on how you like her drink / never tried her drink / what do you [the girl] like most about the drink / etc. an elbow on your arm for the entirety of her drink order welcomes some sort of conversation, even if it is just passing.

hit 3: bachelorette parties are usually no good. for the most part all they want is to check things off their list. even if they don’t have a list, they’re mainly focused on the bride-to-be either making sure she gets super drunk or making sure nothing bad happens to her. the one success story i’ve heard from bachelorette parties is when a guy was luckily standing around when one of the girls needed “kiss from a random stranger” to complete her list. he was chosen, they kissed, the girl ran back to do her list stuff, then she came back for more kissing.

hit 5: did you try to dance with her, or just alone? even if you’re frozen, you can still dance with her and keep the flow going. eventually you’ll need to break the ice with something but at least you can stall for time.

hit 6: moving in the right direction. perhaps she didn’t want to talk? hard to tell, but you got the first part of your exercise done.

hit 7: i think the “get to know you better” part scared her away a bit. i know you meant well but that phrase has been bastardized into sexual innuendo lately. she came back though, so that’s a positive.

point 11: experience. you’ll learn what to say and how to keep a girl decently interested. it varies in different situations with different girls.

the first sentence of your post hit it right on. you just gotta get some balls. it’s tough, you might fail a few times (i did), but you gotta do it. kee up the good work.

[metalTree]

@jayarea

ok, this might be a little harsh, but you are so close. for the most part you’re on point, your pheros are chipping in, you just need that extra push to get you going. here’s my advice and comments on your post, see if you agree with any of it. it’s ok if you don’t. keep in mind that i’m not any sort of pua or womanizer; i’ve been in many of your situations before and my advice comes from experience.

first i would say to change your exercise and remove that second part. notice how you didn’t even attempt it in the first few hits?

Perhaps I should just get my momentum going by saying hello or something situational early in the night and then be more provocative later in the night.

I have initiated many conversations with something situational over the years and my normal pattern is to follow up with boring small talk. That’s the pattern I’m trying to break out of.

[pherophreak]

What kind of small talk do you initiate?

“Are you from around here?”
“Thats an interesting ____. Where did you get it?”
“Hey, you look just like this girl I know, she is so weird!”

[metalTree]

@pherophreak

What kind of small talk do you initiate?

Typically I’ll make a situational comment and go with the flow based on her responses. Then based on her answers and comments I’ll ask followup questions and make follow up comments. Sometimes I’ll throw in a question like “where are you from?” and how do you like living in ____________?"

This conversation style sometimes works pretty well when I meet women in various social situations or group events in non-club and non-meatmarket situations. Over the years I’ve had long conversations with countless women using this conversation style.

But in bar/club/meatmarket types of situations, women get bored of these conversations very very quickly.

[evolver]

Many guys will ask questions in hopes of getting her to ask questions about themselves. Continuing to ask questions puts the weight of the conversation on the girl. Using statements and speaking about emotions will give depth and connection to the conversation. Like in dancing, men must lead.

[metalTree]

@evolver

Many guys will ask questions in hopes of getting her to ask questions about themselves. Continuing to ask questions puts the weight of the conversation on the girl. Using statements and speaking about emotions will give depth and connection to the conversation. Like in dancing, men must lead.

That’s one of my dilemmas. If I follow my natural instincts, I go with the flow of the conversation instead of leading the conversation. But If I memorize some material that I could use to lead the conversation, it ruins the normal flow of the conversation and kills it.

[evolver]

The first step is admitting you have a problem… lol

I wish I could show you outside the box. you can only let yourself free

[metalTree]

@evolver

The first step is admitting you have a problem… lol

I wish I could show you outside the box. you can only let yourself free

That’s a good way of putting it. I’m stuck inside the box and I’m trying to break out.

[evolver]

@metalTree

That’s a good way of putting it. I’m stuck inside the box and I’m trying to break out.

You don’t have to struggle. Use the door like everyone else

[metalTree]

@evolver

You don’t have to struggle. Use the door like everyone else

Once I figure out how to open the door and walk through it will probably seem easy in hindsight.

[Vangelis]

@metalTree

Once I figure out how to open the door and walk through it will probably seem easy in hindsight.

a) I see no failure, you are just about to burst into action. You have been so persistent that quitting hasn’t been an option for a long time.

b) Forget all that you ever read or thought about PUA material.

c) For the purpose of breaking the ice a grunt is more than enough “hello” might be more easy to follow but…

d) jayarea is totally right, brake your challenge into the smallest piece possible.

e) evolver hit it on the nail, the door out is in front of you, you just have to step through it.

I will say, go for crash and burn. Assume you are going to blast the next hundred interactions with ladies and turn the experience into an experiment, a fun one, you’ll be surprised. Say to yourself that the challenge is to see how fast you can screw-up 100 A.I.'s and above all how fast you can go through a 100. I think a man with half the commitment you have will go through 100 in 7 days. How fast you think you can go through that?

For me you were so selfconscious trying not to make a full of yourself that the best medicine now is to go for it: whatever you do you might make a full of yourslef until you crack into a big laugh. One’s you can laugh about something you can then change it. That moment my friend, would be a moment of bliss.

Let me give you a hint, by reading this I have just set you up 'cause either you interact activeley with the next 100 ladies or not you will notice how simple and how ridiculous it is, you might say to yourself I could have done it before, but don’t worry you will be doing it now, soon. Really.

So, if you knew ahead of time that whatever you do you are going to blast it, even with the best material ever, but you need to go through 100 anyhow to walk through the door; then wouldn’t a more appropiate question could be: How much fun can you have while doing it? How much playful you can be about it? How can you turn the experience into an experiment? And literally the experiment can be how much you can tolerate before saying anything to anyone or how much you think you can pretend to be oblivious of all those hits and AI you are certainly getting with out starting to smile and have a voice inside your head saying: this is ridiculous. Furthermore, how much you think you can hold that smile with out it coming out into a laugh.

Anyhow, the real point here is that no one that has replied to your post percieves your experience as a failure. We all have been there, we all know by experience that the only thing ahead is success. Let’s put it this way, from outside the box we can see that the door is just in front of you. I remember the box to be dark from inside, so maybe that’s why the door is not clear for you, yet. However, you should be celebrating now and maybe you should give yourself a brake for a night or two. You’ll be surprised, once you surrender you might find yourself interacting with ladies in unexpected ways.

[metalTree]

@Vangelis

a) I see no failure, you are just about to burst into action. You have been so persistent that quitting hasn’t been an option for a long time.

b) Forget all that you ever read or thought about PUA material.

c) For the purpose of breaking the ice a grunt is more than enough “hello” might be more easy to follow but…

d) jayarea is totally right, brake your challenge into the smallest piece possible.

e) evolver hit it on the nail, the door out is in front of you, you just have to step through it.

I will say, go for crash and burn. Assume you are going to blast the next hundred interactions with ladies and turn the experience into an experiment, a fun one, you’ll be surprised. Say to yourself that the challenge is to see how fast you can screw-up 100 A.I.'s and above all how fast you can go through a 100. I think a man with half the commitment you have will go through 100 in 7 days. How fast you think you can go through that?

For me you were so selfconscious trying not to make a full of yourself that the best medicine now is to go for it: whatever you do you might make a full of yourslef until you crack into a big laugh. One’s you can laugh about something you can then change it. That moment my friend, would be a moment of bliss.

Let me give you a hint, by reading this I have just set you up 'cause either you interact activeley with the next 100 ladies or not you will notice how simple and how ridiculous it is, you might say to yourself I could have done it before, but don’t worry you will be doing it now, soon. Really.

So, if you knew ahead of time that whatever you do you are going to blast it, even with the best material ever, but you need to go through 100 anyhow to walk through the door; then wouldn’t a more appropiate question could be: How much fun can you have while doing it? How much playful you can be about it? How can you turn the experience into an experiment? And literally the experiment can be how much you can tolerate before saying anything to anyone or how much you think you can pretend to be oblivious of all those hits and AI you are certainly getting with out starting to smile and have a voice inside your head saying: this is ridiculous. Furthermore, how much you think you can hold that smile with out it coming out into a laugh.

Anyhow, the real point here is that no one that has replied to your post percieves your experience as a failure. We all have been there, we all know by experience that the only thing ahead is success. Let’s put it this way, from outside the box we can see that the door is just in front of you. I remember the box to be dark from inside, so maybe that’s why the door is not clear for you, yet. However, you should be celebrating now and maybe you should give yourself a brake for a night or two. You’ll be surprised, once you surrender you might find yourself interacting with ladies in unexpected ways.

Thanks Vangelis. I think a crash and burn session is in order for me soon. I might be away this weekend so I’m but I will definitely do it the following weekend.

I’m not sure what goal I will set for myself. 100 might be kind of high for a weekend. I’m thinking of setting the level to 25 for a weekend because that seems realistic and attainable.

[metalTree]

Edge Essentials and NPA

I got my Edge Essentials (Arouser scent) and my NPA.

The Edge Essentials smell sucks. I guess Lacroy’s stuff does not smell as good as Androtics stuff. I would hate to waste the Edge Essentials because with shipping I paid over $35 for it. But I have a feeling I’m just going to use the NPA and ditch the Edge Essentials. Oh Well.

I’m going to make a NPA mix with a 1:3 ratio of NPA to cologne and field test that as soon as I get a chance.

[metalTree]

Upcomming Nights - Status Experiment

I was invited to a happy hour this upcoming Thursday by a friend of mine and his wife. I’ve hung out with this social group before and I really didn’t make a good impression the few times when I have hung out with them. I came across as low status (as I typically do) and people weren’t interested in conversing with me. This group really doesn’t like me but they don’t dislike me either. I’m just the invisible guy without presence that has been around them a few times. Members of this group will have an occasional conversation with me out of politeness but I’m not in demand in any way with this group.

I already know from my field testing that -None + A314 affect the way people perceive me. Since I’ve started wearing the pheromones there have been multiple occasions where people who treated me as high status instead of low status. So I’m excited about wearing the pheromones to this outing.

I’m going to take a gamble in this social outing and wear one spray of my 1:3 NPA/Cologne mix and 2 drops of A314. This is an aggressive mix and there are potential dangers to the mix. But I say, “Fuck it.” I have nothing to lose since this group so rarely invites me out anyway. I more interested in finding out if the pheromones can change a low status first impression into a high status later impression. I know the pheromones already work with strangers but I don’t know how they will work with people who already have formed an impression on me. I am very curious about this.

On Friday I’m traveling to my parent’s house and crashing there since I have a Saturday afternoon birthday party to go to. This social group likes having me around even though I’m low status in this group too. (Every group needs someone at the bottom of the totem pole.) I’m gong to use a more conservative mix because there is at least one Alpha Male in the group who likes having me around and I don’t want to ruffle any feathers. LOL. I’ll probably just spray on 1 spray of my 1:1 Instant Jerk/Cologne mix. That is just 6.25 mcg of -None and I don’t think this amount brings me to even normal levels.

I’m probably going to get back late Saturday night but I might have enough time to hit one or two bars. I think I’m going to go all out and do 2 sprays of my 1:3 NPA/Cologne mix and 2 drops of A314. Now, that is a very aggressive and dangerous mix but it’s in the name of science.

[pherophreak]

In the name of science as well as seeing what the fuck will happen. Lol.

[metalTree]

Worried about the staying power of my cologne

I have D&G light blue cologne and I’m a bit worried about how long it will last when used with NPA. In this review of the cologne between 3:35 and 3:45, the reviewer says the cologne will only last 4 to 5 hours if you are lucky.

Dolce & Gabbana Light Blue cologne/fragrance review!!

Then what happens after 5 hours? Only the NPA will be left. Will I then smell like cat piss? I can’t smell -None so I really won’t know if I reek.

I had made a 3:1 D&G/NPA mix the other day but I’m worried about the stink so I just mixed a 4:1 ratio. Hopefully with a little more cologne and a little less NPA, there won’t be that much potential to smell that bad.

I think I’ll supplement with TUTH. I can’t find much info on the design of TUTH but from reading the forum it seems to me that the level of -None is actually low (2.5 mcg per spray) but it diffuses very quickly. That leads me to believe that TUTH won’t last that long but it very intense for an hour or two. But since it diffuses so quickly, I’m thinking that not too much -None will be left behind and it won’t add to the NPA stench. Plus the Neroli oil from a the TUTH spray will help cover up the NPA after all the cologne is gone.

The following posts indicate that TUTH diffuses fast, hits hard, and doesn’t last that long:

raw power, TUTH,TE or NPA

Raw Power is 10 mcg’s per drop of Androstenone in an oil base. Turn Up The Heat is 2.5 mcg’s per spray in an alcohol base. Raw Power is far stronger, but the effects are smoother and longer lasting because of the slower diffusion due to being oil based. TUTH hits faster and harder, and does not last as long. I have not tested a lot with Raw Power, but so far I really like it. I have worn 3 drops and have had great results, with no negative self effects. At about 20 mcg’s of TUTH, I’ve had gr…

raw power, TUTH,TE or NPA

It’s hard to say which is best 'cause they perform differently. They’re both easy to use just different. This is how I experience these -none stuffs…me 'n Wolf. He wears…I sniff…lol I agree with mark’s descriptions…my take… Raw Power is more like a strong steady ride. Wolf really likes it…wears 2-3 drops np. The respect vibe is approachable. He likes the way I respond…I feel as though I’d like to please him…lol…no objections there. I like it on him…smooth 'n solid…attracti…

So, when I’m out in bars/clubs my plan is to use one spray of my 4:1 NPA mix as a base and spray on one spray of TUTH every few hours. Since it is supposed to be a fast diffuser, the previous spray of TUTH should be gone before I put the next one on.

Some people on this forum have used Chrome with NPA and the Amazon reviews says that it’s a long lasting cologne.
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-results-with-a314-npa/29232/1

Mega's Top Cologne Picks Are More Than Meets The Eye

Great list Megatron here is my list, I admit some are very commonly used and widespread today but lately I’m mixing it up well. My personal faves: Acqua Di Gio (My #1 Keeper), Alternative is Perry Ellis 360 Red if you don’t want to get Di Gio. Jean Paul Gaultier Le Male (Fresh and reminds me of a spicy sea morning) Platinum Egoiste by Chanel (If you don’t have it, get it..lol) Polo Sport (Fresh and finishes clean but I make sure not to overdue it) Chrome by Azzaro (Clean, fresh, …

NPA? What is this I keep hearing about, and where do you get it?

NPA is still one of my favs, even after 5 years of use. If you like to “roll your own,” NPA is a perfect design concept: mix 4 or 5 parts cologne to NPA and you’re in business. I have it premixed in atomizers with all my fav colognes: Burberry Weekend, Issey Miyake, Chrome and Issey Miyake Summer. I sometime use it with chemset androstenol and androsterone for custom general use mixes. Of course if don’t like to mix you won’t like it as it’s too strong/concentrated for direct use. If you need …

Since Chrome is long lasting, I’d feel more comfortable using that for a more concentrated mix.

[Vangelis]

What if you bring instead a ToGo of you cologne only and respray 3:30 hrs later?

Furthermore, as far as I have read the -none smell fades away itself after a couple of hours even though the mones are still active. Have you read something different?

[metalTree]

@Vangelis

What if you bring instead a ToGo of you cologne only and respray 3:30 hrs later?

Furthermore, as far as I have read the -none smell fades away itself after a couple of hours even though the mones are still active. Have you read something different?

According to these posts, -None is a sticky molecule and it can last in the skin for a long time.

Hello Everyone!!!im Proud To Announce I Placed My 1st Order Today!!!youhouuuuu!!!!

Your first 50 posts are always moderated for SPAM. No offense but it happens to everyone. Sometimes if I’m busy on phones it might take me a while to approve them. TUTH at your age and hight and being very physically fit can have adverse reaction if you’re not careful. Start out one spray at a time for a few days at a time. Remember you’re producing a lot of it if you’re hitting the gym regularly which it sounds like you are. Also remember that your GF is already used to your natural pheromon…

Seen results but not mine

Be careful wearing Turn Up the Heat. It contains Androstenone, which is a sticky molecule and can build up with repeat use, and can lead to an overdose. Overdosing on Androstenone can make you very irritating to ladies, or attract only older women, or cause other males to want to fight you. There is a ton of information on the men’s forum concerning this mix, and often it is used only when an intimate encounter is about to happen to “turn up the heat” for that encounter. The reason is the v…

It is the actual -None molecule that has the smell so I’m thinking that if the -None is still on your skin, it will probably smell. The key would be how fast it diffuses from your skin after the carrier scent is gone. I can’t find any good information on this anywhere.

Also, I personally don’t have the ability to smell -None so I can’t smell my own skin to see if it still stinks or not.

[Vangelis]

@metalTree

It is the actual -None molecule that has the smell so I’m thinking that if the -None is still on your skin, it will probably smell. The key would be how fast it diffuses from your skin after the carrier scent is gone. I can’t find any good information on this anywhere.

Are you concerned about difusion or smell?

Well, I am just making-up hypothesis as I don’t smell -none either but what it seems to me is that once -none is activated in your own skin then by the fact that it is interacting with your own body chemistry the odor should change.

Based on personal experience, my personal odor, when using IJ for instance, does change a couple of hours later. It gets stronger but not sure I can say disgusting. Whatever the end result, what it seems to me that you want is to have a good carrier scent to first of all, cover the -none smell (if any) and second help you keep diffusing it for as long as it lasts active in you.

Therefore, I thought the easiest and economical (economic as in effort as well as currency) solution to be is to carry with a ToGo of your perfume or Eau de Toillete. In any case, I keep reading posts of ladies smelling your chest even after some hours of -none application. Indeed, you posted about a lady falling asleep on your chest where you’d applied -none (IJ or TUTH I don’t remember) perviously. Furthermore, I rearely use any cover scent beyond the neroli or game and I have been playing a lot with IJ with no negative effects whatsoever, all the opposite. I guess NPA most be really a nasty bomb for you to be really worried, otherwise you shouldn’t waste time, money and energy on that detail. Anyhow, I guess my two cents are not that good currency on this particular issue.