Hm, I haven’t considered spaceland but I have considered P83. There is a lot of info about it here:
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-compilation-including-sexual-erotic-effects/5789
This is a good source =reps.
I haven’t had forgot your question about questions. I don’t want to bombard you with a list of useless questions. As successful as they might be, they’ve worked for me in the context I used them, they might be useless otherwise. Indeed, there are just a few that I can repeat time and time again. Your request has made me think of the deeper structure to come-up with good questions on the spot.
Good point. Everything is about context. I think that more than anything else, I just have some mental barriers I have to break through. Any kind of canned questions and statements are probably useless.
I wouldn’t doubt it, but I think the Spaceland kicked it into high gear.
Yeah, the spaceland is the talky talky pheromone. Very very cool mix though, I might try something similar soon.
Enjoying your journal, metalTree. Nice reports.
Thanks moonwhisper!
Last Night I was a Tool
Yesterday, I made a mix with 50% Instant Jerk and 50% cologne and put it into a togo bottle.
I went to the following venues last night:
- B&N book store
- Late Happy Hour in Manhattan
- Ice Lounge
- Marquee Dance Club
Before I left my apartment, I put on the following:
2 Drops A314 to my wrists
1 Spray of IJ/Cologne Mix to my Throat
1 Spray of IJ/Cologne Mix to my Throat
I added the following sprays on my way to Ice Lounge later in the night:
1 Spray of IJ/Cologne Mix to my Throat
1 Spray of IJ/Cologne Mix to my Throat
That would be a total of 25 mcg of -None sprayed on me over the course of the evening. No O.D. 
I had a hit in my subway station. I walked by a girl in my subway station and picked a spot in the platform about 10ft behind her. She flipped her hair several times and she looked back at me three times before the train came. When the train came, we both went into different entrances. But she walked over to my area of the train and sat directly across from me even though there were plenty of seats near the entrance where she walked in. It makes me nervous when someone sits directly across from me and gives me IOIs. So I kind of panicked and pulled out my phone and played skeetball to avoid the anxiety of the situation. It’s just awkward to converse with someone across from you on the train because you have to shout. But I was not bold enough to get up and sit next to her. I feared rejection and humiliation.
I went to B&N for a half an hour but I had no hits. I lingered on the 4th floor, then the 3rd floor, then the 2nd floor, then the 1st floor but there were no hits. I stood in high traffic areas and dozens of women walked by me but there were no obvious IOIs.
So, I go to a late night happy hour in Mannhattan and sit at the bar. I sit by myself and I end up staying there for 2 hours. For the first 30 I just sat there watching the bottles in front of me and observed the cute female bartender in my peripheral vision.
Eventually a gay guy comes in and sits on my left. He is obviously friends with the bartender and I pick up a few things to ask the bartender when the situation arises. Eventually another gay guy comes in and sits on my right and a blonde girl comes in and sits two stools to my left. By then end of my time there I was fully integrated into the conversation with the group. Even though I’m not using the social pheromones, group conversations work much better for me when I’m on the pheromones. Without the pheromones, I’m just ignored and invisible.
I decided to go to Ice Lounge next. I refreshed my pheromones on the way. I spent an hour at Ice Lounge and nothing interesting happened there. It was empty the whole time and the place never reached the critical mass required to get a crowed. People kept on coming in and then leaving when they saw there was no scene. I left after an hour.
Then I went to Marquee and I had a fun time there. I noticed the following.
- A lot of women (more than I could count) bumped into me and stood really close to me. I could not tell which onces were intentional and which ones were coincidental. It so so hard to tell the IOIs from the coincidences.
- Two women gave me such strong IOIs that I could tell they were definitely interested in at least dancing so I danced with both of them.
- I got a ton of IOIs when I was dancing with the second girl for the last 2 hours at the bar. The girls I was getting the IOIs from were better looking than the girl I was dancing with. These girls where standing right next to me and sort of leaning against me while I was dancing with this other girl.
- One girl hit me in the back of the head accidentally (not hard). She walked up to her friend and hugged her. In her exaggerated hugging motion, her and made contact with the back of my head before it wrapped around her friend. She did this twice. Could that be an IOI or just drunken clumsiness?
- Another girl hit me in the head in the same way when I was dancing with the second girl. Her hand swung around and hit the back of my head. It’s really weird that this happened twice in the night.
- There were a few times where a girl would stand right in front of me practically touching me but I really don’t think they new they noticed how close they were to me. I wonder if the high dose of -None was affecting their subconscious mind.
- The first girl I danced with was 40 years old and has 3 kids. We danced for about 10 minutes and it was just dancing. She made no moves on me and I didn’t make any moves on her. She was a well behaved married women compared to the girl from last weekend.
- The second girl I danced with was a 32 year old M.D. in the airforce.
WIth the 2nd girl I danced with, I was such a fucking tool. I was about to go home so I could get the six hours of sleep I need to be fully functional at work. But she gave me the most intense sensual look. It was a very clear IOI and this girl was not that great looking but she knew how to user her eyes. She kind of reminded me of my last girlfriend who was as equally skilled at using here eyes to flirt with a man.
So, I danced with her for an hour and she was flirting super heavily with me. She was giving me these sexually looks like she wanted me. So we danced and danced but nothing was happening.
So, after an hour of this I decided that I had to do something to try to escalate things. So, I told her that I wanted to go home with her. At that point, she became even more flirty and hugged me. She looked at me even more intensely and then things remained the same after that.
Then after another hour, she told me that she had a great time dancing with me but she had to leave. She shook my hand and gave me another very flirty look and left. I think she was just flirting with me for the attention Oh well.
I felt like a total tool at this point. I should have been disciplined and gone home 2 hours earlier because it was a work night. But I hung around this girl for 2 freaking hours in hopes that I would get laid. I felt like a desperate idiot. So, I danced for a few more minutes and decided to call it the night. I left around 3:45 AM and walked to the subway. I had a stroke of luck in the subway platform. The train got there right as I got there so I was home in under 20 minutes. If I had missed that train, it would have been 20-30 minutes before the next train came.
I can’t figure out why the heck the girl danced with me for 2 hours. I’m a shit dancer. I really really suck at dancing so she obviously wasn’t dancing with me for my dancing skill. She obviously had no intention of going home with me so she wasn’t dancing for that. Maybe she liked the scent of the pheromones so she wanted to be around them.
This is awesome metalTree.
What you are doing is called “fractionation”
The slow exposure to a way of being alternating with the baseline experience.
Meet some girls…flirt…pull back
Meet some girls…flirt…dance…pull back
Meet some gils…attract…flirt…dance…pull back
Eventually you are going to have amazing interactions with women. Keep at it 
Bad Venue - No Hits - Tough Night
I went to a lounge in Hell’s Kitchen last night. The lounge sucked.
3 Drops A314 to my wrists
1 Spray of Instant Jerk/Cologne Mix to my Throat
1 Spray of Instant Jerk/Cologne Mix to my wrists
I was originally going to go to Club Touch near Times Square but at 10:45 PM, the line was out the door and it looked like everyone in line was like 19 or 20 years old. I didn’t see anyone my age so I decided to skip this venue. Last time I was there it didn’t start picking up until well after 11PM. Also, there were people my age last time. I don’t know what changed.
So, I go to the lounge in Hell’s kitchen that advertised that they open at 10PM. I get there a little after 11PM and it’s almost empty.
There is a guy at the bar so I strike up a conversation with him. I end up talking to this guy for over 30 minutes and he’s doing most of the talking. He is talking to me like I’m a totally cool guy worthy of respect and he wants to go clubbing with me in the future. This is totally not a normal occurrence without pheromones so I know the pheromones are doing something.
The place never completely picks up. there are a couple of groups of hot women but they stick to themselves in their groups. The place is about 75% men and 25% women. They have a dj in a fancy DJ booth spinning dance music but people are not dancing. All the guys are just lined up around the place with a unhappy look and the women are sticking to themselves in their groups.
I tried to strike up a conversation with a girl at the bar who was ordering a drink near me but she had no interest in talking.
I decide to stand in the middle and dance to try to get everything going. I’ve tried this before in similar situations without pheromones but it never goes well. I have neither the dancing ability nor the presence to pull this off. I’m either ignored or heckled. I wanted to see if the phoeromens would make a difference in this case so I tried it this time. I didn’t work. Everyone still continued standing around and I probably looked like an idiot.
One strange thing happened. Two women stood uncomfortable close to me one one of them accidentally bumped into me. I tried to talk to her but she gave me a “stay the fuck away” look and shook her head no. They continued standing nearby for a few minutes. Later, these same 2 girls stood near me again. The had absolutely no interest in interacting with me. I wonder if it was just a coincidence that they stood near me or if subconscously they liked the pheromone smell.
I tried to reposition myself in a few different areas but I think everyone in the lounge had seen me look like a fool trying to dance among people just standing around. Whenever I moved in an area where there were women, they would move to another area within a few minutes. I had officially turned into female repellent.
I thought about replying my IJ/Cologne mix but I decided to call it the night and go home since I still had Friday & Saturday nights ahead of me.
Takes a lot of balls to try and start the floor dancing. Sorry it didn’t work, but it still is noteworthy.
Last night I went to Touch Night Club and a few bars in Midtown East after that. Nothing interesting happened and I really didn’t have that good of a time either. I might be burning out from going out too much. Maybe I should cut back.
I wore the following Pheromones Last night.
1 spray of Instant Jerk to my throat
2 drops of A314 to my wrists.
At around 1AM, I applied:
1 Spray of my Instant Jerk/Cologne Mixture (1:1) to my neck
At around 2:30 AM, I applied:
1 Sprays of my Instant Jerk/Cologne Mixture(1:1) to my kneck
1 Sprays of my Instant Jerk/Cologne Mixture(1:1) to my wrists
Highlighs:
- The nightclub was kind of a waste. For the First hour I was there, it wasn’t that crowded and many of the people there were couples or large groups because there was a fashion show scheduled in the nightclub. Once it started picking up, the bouncers cleared the dance floor for the fashion show. Once the fashion show was completed, the place was way too packed.
- Between the bars and the nightclubs I got several IOIs from women looking at me, bumping into me, and standing really close to me. I’m still not sure which IOIs are real and which ones are not. I’m sure some of the bumps and proximity IOIs were just coincidences or accidents. I’m just not sure which where which.
- For the most part I didn’t act. I was stuck in my shell most of the night and just didn’t feel like talking to anyone.
- I initiated conversations with a couple of women in the course of the night. But I engaged in trivial small talk and they got bored of the conversation very quickly.
On the subway ride home, I was sitting next to an attractive girl in jeans. There was a space about 10 inches between us so we weren’t sitting that close. I looked at her in the reflection across from us and it looked like she might have been looking at me but I wasn’t sure. About 2 or 3 minutes before we reached her stop, she opens up her handbag and as she is opening it she makes an exaggerated motion with her elbow and makes contact with me as she pulls out a banana.
She was not sitting that close to me so I’m 95% sure she did that on purpose. I would love to know if that was a come on or not. It was two minutes before we got to her stop at 4:30AM. So I don’t know what to make of it. If it was a come on, I don’t know what the heck I could have said or done. Of course I said nothing, she gets off the train, and that was it.
Are you serious?? She pulled a banana out of her purse?? 
LOL
Okay, some important questions:
Did she have a longing sort of look on her face when she displayed her banana?
Did she eat the banana?
Did she perform any sort of acts on the banana? 
This is a very funny story. You seem to make contact with all sorts of people.
Hmm, now I’m hungry for a banana.
I’m serious. She really pulled a banana out of her purse and she just at it like a normal person would eat a banana. I didn’t detect any sexual innuendo at all. It just seemed like she was hungry and wanted a snack. The only thing that made the situation unusual was the fact that she elbowed me as she was opening her purse. I’ve seen people eat all kinds of things on the subway so a banana is not that unusual.
I really didn’t get a good look at her because I’m very shy and I was afraid to look directly at her. I was sort of looking at her reflection in the window across from us but I couldn’t see much detail.
I’m dying to figure out if she was making a pass at me or if she was simply hungry and wanted a snack. But I will never know. 
As far as making contact with all sorts of people that seems to be what New York City is all about. It is quite an eclectic mix of people.
New Toys Tomorrow
I’m visiting my parents tomorrow and that’s where I have everything delivered. So I’ll get to pick up the stuff I ordered in the last couple of weeks.
The following stuff should have been deliverd by now:
- Edge Essentials
- Empty togo bottles and Pipets from Adriotics
I also ordered a bottle of NPA but I’m not sure if its arrived yet. If not, I’m going to have to wait until the next time I visit my parents.
I can’t wait until I have direct control over the amount of pheromones per spray. I’m thinking about making a NPA mix that delivers 20 mcg per spray of pheromones. I can’t wait to field test that.
To Break Out of My Shell
In the past month I feel like I’ve been in kind of a shell when I go out. I’m playing it completely safe and not taking any chances when I out in bars/clubs. I want to get into the habit of taking more risks instead of playing it safe all the time. When I have talked to women, I make boring small talk and they get bored of that really quickly in bars/clubs.
As an exercise, I want to say something very bold or provocative to women that will sort of surprise them but not offend them. Then I want to observe there reaction to see if they walk away or continue talking to me. The goal is to get over my fear of being offensive and to stop being overly cautious.
At first I was thinking about using a variation of the classic, “Nice shoes, wanna fuck?”. But some women may find that truly offensive and I could just picture myself getting arrested and been taken away in handcuffs.
I’m trying to find a way of approaching a conversation with women where I can express myself in a bold and provocative way without being offensive. I suppose that is a very fine line.
According to my game book, that was totally an Approach Invitation. As you know, I am mainly a day gamer and i am always alert to those types of events. Is as if they are giving you the opener in a silver plate. You just have to ask them or comment about it. They are giving you the sign. I would just have gone and said: A banana (tone is important but really almost any tone does either question, exclamation mark, complicity… what ever comes natural). She will have to fill in with some comment and you have the conversation rolling.
Anyhow, the following is a great thread I found really useful:
Thanks for the link.
I think what is killing me is low confidence & self esteem. Unless an IOI is really blatant, I have doubts as to whether or not it is real. Then I think to myself that it is unlikely that the woman could be attracted to me so I end up doing nothing.
I totally understand how that plays against us. I am about to start my journal and share a bit of where I am coming from into this adventure.
I have gone through my own personal quest for confidence and self-esteem and I wish I could contribute my two cents to yours. I have re-certified myself recently in NLP. If you are up for some reading or listening material for personal enhancement I will be more than glad to refer to you some titles that I consider jewels in this domain. Send me a PM if this is of your interest and I will be more than happy to share.
I’m looking forward to your journal.
I’ve got some NLP books but they are at my parent’s house right now. I’ve also read some Tony Robbins books as well. Although he is not an official NLP guy I think his stuff is NLP related. I think I’m going to break out the books and read them as soon as I get a chance.