If someone sees a new phero signature every time they may get confused trying to figure you out, kinda like someone who dresses DIFFERENT every day (One day punk rocker, 1 day gq man, 1 day playboy centerfold). This could cause a lack of trust in some people.
On the other hand if you wear the same signature all the time you get categorized and pigeon holed as “that guy”.
But what about if you wear the same signature 80% of the time and once in a blue moon throw in a different one so people don’t get too used to you? Kinda like having the same jacket on for a month or so and then for a couple of days wearing a new one out to the same people..
What do you think? Would people still categorize you as “that guy” who is just more exciting or would you still confuse people and cause a lack of trust?
I am of course talking about wearing mones around the same people.. if you are meeting different people in different social circles of course you could wear a different product to each one and still come across as “that guy” in each circle.
Any thoughts?
I like to attract women who are not too dramatic as too much emotional behavior would drive me crazy (like a woman whose PMSing 24/7), so I think a fixed signature suits me well.
In fact I’m atthe stage now where I tailer my mones for a particular KIND of woman now that I am not hitting on all types anymore.
Others will disagree and think changing mone sigs don’t matter.
It makes sense that they might be thrown off by a changing sig but I don’t notice anything personally, possibly because none of my products are really all that different. I’ve main pheros I’ve used are Ammo, IG, and P75. They’re all similar enough I feel that it won’t make anyone notice my changing signature.
I don’t think the rest of my products would change anything.
Anyone know any pheros they use that they feel cause a drastic and subconsciously noticeable signature change?
Well if you went out with a314 to work and worked as a manager, and got peoples trust, and then later on switched to something like NPA and nothing else and got all kinds of people hot and bothered , men angry at you, women acting sleezy then your position in the company would be questionably up for grabs after not to long for a lack of trust.
Now Androtics products for the most part complement each other well but like I said even here there is a lot of difference… Try wearing a nol only based products around shy girls and then a heavy none product or IJ or heavy tuth around the same girls and you may even cause them to run away and categorize you as untrustworthy.
Most of us are not good actors so we can’t be congruent with all kinds of different signatures. Especially those expected to change their sig so frequently.
Then again wearing the same mix all the time gets boring. Its a catch 22
I find ammo is my staple.. i use it in all my mixes. i then add in socials, and in some situations some tuth may be called for. Any idea how to progress from IS AMMO, IO, IH to something more sexual? This mix attracts young caucasion women.. I’m deathly scared to screw things up by an overdose of tuth in there.
I’m starting to think getting in better shape and naturally producing more none is better than mones like tuth because its easier to be congruent.. When you have an awesome body, have higher hormone levels, and feel confident, its going to get you sexual with a women when its time for that a lot quicker than just spraying on some tuth, being out of shape and having no confidence.
There are different types of mones that illicit different signals.
Identifiers speak of who you are. Gender, vitality, certain aspects of personality that are ingrained in your nature.
Signalers speak more about moods and your current state. These change with emotions sometimes very quickly.
Your not changing your signature enough to confuse casual acquaintances. Your not really changing it at all. The only people who will consciously notice a shift are those very very close to you like your mother who has been communicating with you all your life on a chemical level. To change your signature you would have to use something you do not produce or produce very very little of. Whether your fit or not you produce testosterone and therefore anone. By using mones your enhancing your signature. Your bringing out and communicating qualities about yourself. Sort of like women wear eye makeup to bring out the color of there eyes.
Most people get confused on this subject. To be congruent you do not have to “act like” You have to not act in “opposition to” For instance if you wear A314 you dont have to be big strong and a go getter. Just dont cower away from situations and experiences.
With IO you dont need to be a social butterfly. When people talk you do need to be open, listen and respond. Synthetic Mones are not designed to make you into something your not. They cant, you emit your own personal signature naturally. They are designed to control and enhance the signals your sending.
I am not against bettering ones fitness levels naturally. Of course thats beneficial to ones confidence as well as many other things but it wont change the core of who you are and wont always make you more congruent. We are what we think as well as what we are physically. Men are more physical and visual sexually. Women are more emotional. With initial attraction its not always about whats on the outside that turns us on. We approach sexual attraction differently then males and this is where most men make there mistake.
Men see something that looks hot or sexy to them, they become sexually aroused, they have or attempt have sex and this is how they tend to make a connection.
Women see something that looks hot or sexy to them, they attempt to make a connection, that connection stimulates arousal. With out it you can look like Adonis and it wont arouse us. Sure we may still admire how you look but that doesn’t mean you turn us on sexually or even that we will act on sexual attraction even if it does. That emotional connection must exist for us. Course this doesn’t apply to your gold diggers. There goals are different.
Being able to use synthetic mones helps you form those connections because it gives you more control over what signals your sending and when.
I hope men read this, because you’ll be lucky to find 1 woman in 100 who’ll tell you what really turns them on. Start to think about Sex=Comfort. You may truly (men) appreciate what a remarkably sexual product IShine can be.
Women don’t always want you to know where their “horny” button is (the neck?). You might push it. They might get pregnant. Been known to happen. You might bail on them. Tisha, I think, just drew a map to that button.
IS on its own has done nothing to stimulate more than happiness in myself and others. It makes everyone cheerful and ina good mood. But it does little to steer my thoughts in a romantic direction.
Something like IO and IH along with shine foster better communication because your not just being happy your building more rapport, trust and communication with people so you’re more likely to be taken seriously rather than just as the feel good guy who comes around and is always happy.
Very rarely do happy go lucky people just jump into bed… rapport must be built.. a connection deeper than just happiness. You have to GET into a womans mind… talk to her on an emotional level.
Perhaps your naturally good at this and shine works for you but I’m not able to steer my thoughts well this way with only a happy go lucky product.
I do believe socials help tremendously creating that connection of emotion with women and just face it when you have an emotional bond either your on your way to friendship or to being their lover, depending how you play your cards, how well you talk/listen, and how you look physically too, how you dress, etc.
If emotion was everything and shine is all you need you’d be seeing many (not a minority of women) women dating men shorter than them, obese men , dressed poorly with lack of hygiene, who may be great at being the happy go lucky guy and creating connections with women.
Perhaps looks, wealth, dress attire, hygiene, height, AND EMOTIONAL CONNECTION and all kinds of other factors count if you want that 8+/10 girl.
But your right if you have all the above and can’t utter a sentence to a woman to create a connection you have nothing… IS IO IH works for me to develop rapport.. I use a single spray of ammo in there to increase arousal as I’m over 35…
Thats just it, in most of the world you do see these women dating men who are shorter obese and not fashionably dressed. We draw the line on the hygiene thing though LOL. I know the area you come from is a bit different from what you posted before about it. Seems there is some shallowness going on up there and I have no suggestions short of moving to solve that.
I would say for a majority of women, including the 8+ women, emotional connection, hygiene and how you treat a women all top the list on choosing partners whether they are life partners or sexual partners. The looks, wealth, height and dress are secondary. Of course again I am referring to non gold diggers.
Pheromones are not designed to create emotion in the wearer. Sure they affect some users in a positive way but thats just a side effect really, its not there purpose. So it really doesn’t matter if they make your mind go in a sexual direction or not. Its not your mind your trying to influence, is it ? If you make a women feel good, feel warm and cared about which shine can do, coupled with the proper behavior of course, then you will get a lot farther with her then you would by just arousing her sexually.
Tisha says: Thats just it, in most of the world you do see these women dating men who are shorter obese and not fashionably dressed. We draw the line on the hygiene thing though LOL.
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I see less than 1 /200 women at the mall dating guys who are shorter than them. Perhaps these women represent the shallow minority? LOL! I don’t know… It makes me feel good knowing you think that I can get a woman whose taller than me though…
Tisha says: If you make a women feel good, feel warm and cared about which shine can do, coupled with the proper behavior of course, then you will get a lot farther with her then you would by just arousing her sexually.
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Why do you think so many people don’t use shine by itself then on this website? Do you think most of us are all none deficient?
Oh one other thing, the thread is going slighly off topic but it is ok as I started it and say alls well that ends well Can you give me some tips how to create emotion with women? I read an articile that said one of the best ways is when a woman tells you something answer with “How did that make you feel?”… by doing so you’re changing the subject towards her feelings.
No I dont think most men are anone deficient. I think men gravitate towards anone because its sexual in nature and men dont understand women and what makes us tick. Something like Ishine seems to tame for them. Steve and I have often talked and posted about the power of socials type products alone in creating sexual attraction.
I think Harris said it best although crudely when speaking about TUTH. To much anone or heavily masculine products is like walking around with your “johnson” hanging out. Its to forward, lacks depth and substance. Women are taken back, creeped out, turned off.
Its much like if a women wears to much estrogen based products, for instance TAH. You can come off to soft, weak, mousy needy and that turns a guy off.
Balance is the key to any good mix or combo along with using what works with your natural chemistry and intentions. Its not easy to mimic mother nature, it takes practice and experimentation.
People often see what they are looking for and not whats there. Try looking without preconceived notions. Try looking without judging what the female looks like because someone who may be a 10 in your eyes will be a 5 in another mans eyes. People may be more shallow where you come from but I doubt its as bad as it seems.
Oh and yes I do believe you have a chance with women who are taller then you. Height is just part of the package. We all have preference lists when it comes to what we are attracted to but no one person can cover that whole list.
Oh no don’t say that. LOL Good lord what article was that ? That’s something your therapist would say. Best way to influence a women to tell you something is to listen, be understanding and if the subject matter is appropriate, share something about yourself that communicates your understanding. Don’t try to solve it or fix it. We hate that and I know its hard for men because its their nature to fix it.
Oh and when I say be understanding that doesn’t mean you have to feel the same way she does or even agree on the subject matter. It means you understand that no matter what the subject matter is you understand that it means something to her.
Women don’t talk to me unless I talk first. That is they may say hi or excuse me if there in my way but with strangers they don’t initiate.
So what kinds of things can I say or questions can I ask to get the ball rolling. And although you think a therapist would ask a woman questions about her feelings, it is one way to build an emotional bond that’s beyond day to day chit chat.
I come across as a masculine guy and my SO even tells me so… I usually am into activities other than a lot of talk like working out, playing guitar, working at job, etc etc My interaction with women when younger was always dating not friendship… I want the same now.
But I feel I am not as physical as when I was younger and I don’t want JUST sex . I want emotional connection with women.. i want to know she is interested in me too and not every other guy.
I can’t stand out just like being like every other guy who works out, dresses up and chit chats.. i need to get into a womans mind, curiousity , and heart, and well as her desires.
So how can I lead this approach.. ihate PUA approach.. it requires memorizing lines, acting fake and just sleeping around.
I want more substance.
Any idea how I can initiate with women I just meet?
These days I linger around restaurants and coffee shops the most and sometimes malls. I don’t do clubs and I’m not a night owl.
Well thats partly in our natures as well. Men have always been the pursuers and women the enticers. Yes over the generations those roles have changed a little but you cant ever totally change that nature which is instinctual to each gender.
Asking about feelings doesn’t create a bond. Understanding feelings creates the bond. There are times when you and I do not agree in posts but we are always understanding of each other and respectful to each other.
When you say “get the ball rolling” do you mean with someone you just met or with someone you are already acquainted with ?
There are no magic phrases, lines or words you need to say or memorize, what you do need to learn is how to communication works.
Be observant, make a statement, Listen to response, identify key words, share something about self, make another statement usually derived from key words. People usually reciprocate. Thats in our nature as well so if you share what you think or feel they usually will share something as well. If however they dont then you ask a question.
For the approach you need to be observant first. The more you know about the person the more subject matter you have to talk about. I dont mean personal things. It could be a book she is holding or the car she is driving. Some commonality you can relate to just to get the convo going. At first you want to just talk about those casual things and build a sort of rapport then once you have established an acquaintance to each other you deepen the subject matter. Listening is important because your going to look for key words and phrases that will help you keep the convo flowing and build that rapport.
Its hard to explain online, usually I just show people how its done. I have them pick a person, any person and I go up and talk to them LOL
Now before you say thats hard, I cant do that, I am not good at it… let me point out you and I have been doing it for the last hour. We both made statements, shared thoughts feelings and experiences, asked questions and listened to each other. You are doing just fine building rapport.
That’s over the internet online where no performance pressure is on me… I am hidden behind a computer.. if we were in person I’d find it awkward to carry on a convo like this with all the nuances.
I speak short sentences. I have never spoken to people in paragraphs like how I write.. Also I have social anxiety complex, and that doesn’t show when I type but it sure shows in person.. In a given day I may speak less than 30 sentences, 80% of which are to my SO who I also have problems comminicating with as we have nothing in common to talk about and she doesn’t like to talk either.
I do understand that your condition plays a big roll in how you interact and its something your working on. The Internet is different but what our interactions here should remind you is that you can communicate and quite well.
You estimate that on a given day you speak 30 sentences. Take it from a talker, if your not born with the gift for gab like I was its not going to blossom over night. So if you know you only speak maybe 30 sentences a day tomorrow and each day after speak 40 even if they are to your SO. When 40 feels comfortable speak 50. You dont need to have something in common to talk to people. My husband and I have very little interests in common. However when he talks about the carburetor he just bored out I listen and respond and when I talk about my shopping trip with the girls he listens and responds. When something bothers me and I tell him how I feel he may not feel the same but he listens understands and supports me and I do the same for him. Talking more to your SO should be your first priority. I know you have a agreement but the more you talk to her the easier it will get talking to others. Are there other people you talk to a little daily, coworkers, family ? Increase communication with them if she wont talk much. You cant jump right into having convos with strangers easily until you tackle that. That would only add to your anxiety.
Family I talk to once a week on the phone.. i don’t live with them.. Conversations are brief as my mother doesn’t talk much and my father talks so much it annoys me and everyone else as he doesn’t converse he just has a one sided preaching conversation.
I work from home so I don’t meet people during the day.
Oh regarding congruency issues again (back on topic), I think it does matter.. For example on Sun I was feeling wide awake , alert, and focused and happy and i decided to go out with Ammo, IS, IH, IO and I had a great time talking to people so much they eventually had to tell me we’ll talk later again.
Yesterday I was tired and feeling antisocial and down. I sprayed on the same combo and got nothing out of the mones. A couple of people were hesistant to even say hi who know me, and others who tried to talk to me well I didn’t respond to as I wasn’t in the mood to talk so they just walked away.
As you can see congruency means everything.. if you’re not in the mood or can’t talk and you wear IO where people feel like talking to you well you’re sending out wrong signals. In this last scenario I came off as introverted, and no one wants to have a decent convo with someone who doesn’t respond back.
Keep in mind I had worked out prior to going out to dinner and was fairly anxious as I had a lot of caffeine in my system from my preworkout shake and coffee during the day…
I can understand that, often, women send a verbal (more likely non-verbal). The message is: “Something’s amiss.” I get the the message. I have no idea what’s amiss. I recognize the need to acknowledge that something’s been communicated. How best to offer this acknowledgement?
