To what extent can pheromone use be 'detected'...?

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…and by that, I mean, can a target know whether they are being affected by pheromones…? No, I won’t waste anyone’s time, because the unqualified answer to this is ‘no’ [according to everything I’ve read, and what people have said in these forums].

But let me qualify my question this way: What about experienced pheromone users, viz. the experts and mixers/testers here who regularly use them to influence their surroundings…? Clearly if someone else’s pheromones are acting on them, they will not detect it concretely (through smell or otherwise), but would they be well aware of the physiological and psychological changes they are undergoing to infer that they are under the ‘influence’? i.e. if you suddenly start giggling and become convivial towards someone you usually ignore, or if you inexplicably can’t stand the sight of someone that you have a good rapport with… things like that… I guess this will only make sense if something out of the ordinary happens. It will be next to impossible to decipher this in case of strangers [am I right?]

It’s usually not such a big deal - in fact, mostly beneficial to both the wearer and the target(s) to subconsciously yield to the effects of mones. But I’m wondering if we can keep our guards up in cases such as sales, interviews etc. where we might be manipulated (for the lack of a less strong word) into doing something that we might otherwise not do…? or perhaps in the workplace where someone’s essence (deliberately or inadvertently) was causing unwanted sexual tension or dispute of ‘status’… if you know what I mean… Can our mind be ‘trained’ to detect and override our body, enough for us to ignore it, or is submission inevitable…?

In case this sounded ridiculous, I can still wave the ‘feel free to ask silly questions’ disclaimer…

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Its a very GOOD question. Unfortunately I have a freaking terrible headache. I’ll come back. Hopefully someone answers though

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Hey there!
That is a great question…

I’ve NEVER had anyone wonder if they’re being affected somehow. I think that since the effects are more subconcious people don’t really notice or think, what is that? what’s making me feel this way?

I mean a lot of these are already produced normally and it’s nothing too new to our noses. Now we’re using synthetic so there’s more of it on us than normal, which by design is not normal, but I doubt people really notice the difference and think, hey this person is wearing something that is effecting me…

I think a lot of the effects are more subconcious making it harder to detect unless you’re literally looking for it.

Now if a woman were to approach me who was wearing mones I think I would notice… especially if it was from androtics as I know the scents :slight_smile: However it could very well be that I wouldn’t notice at all (as long as it was a new scent). For example If I already find her sexy and she’s wearing IS/a I don’t think that finding her even MORE sexy would trigger me to think she’s wearing mones, I might just see her as sexy…

This kind of ties into how they’re not love potions. If all of a sudden there was a woman that I was not attracted to at all around, and I all of a sudden thought she was hot to trot, that might be weird and set off flags, but that’s not how they work.

I think I’ve put some pretty good initial thoughts into this I’m interested to see what others think as well.

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I’m guessing that they can be detected conciously. I had a girl say " youre cologne is making me horny" She knew that it was the cologne(pheros) that was exciting her.

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True, but I’ve had girls say that when I was wearing no mones just scent. If a girl’s saying this they’re already quite attracted and have made their decision to go for it, so I’m not sure if that is (always) the mones in that case, but either way that is still subconscious, she’s not thinking that it’s mones in there that are turning her on… she just thinks she likes the scent, or really does like the scent.

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@empath - you are confirming what I was suspecting (and everyone admits): nature has somehow given us this vulnerability where we shall not foresee our own undoing (so to speak :slight_smile:). Same way as we can’t see behind our head…

@blacky chan: that girl seems to be uncannily lucid in her inference… I’m wondering how many of us can do so, or if this can be cultivated by practice…

There are quite a few confusing arguments going on in my mind:

  1. certain non-pheromonic scents can also cause physiological and psychological reactions - I think that’s what aromatherapy is all about. Both men and women might be relaxed or turned on by certain perfumes even though they are not laced with mones

  2. most mone-laced essences are unscented. Also, some people might be exuding their own signature of pheromones without any perceptible scent - and that could be affecting people around them.

My question included deliberate as well as inadvertent use (i.e. one’s own chemistry)… meaning that if I felt a certain way, (e.g. sexual arousal, aggression, irritation etc), and the person isn’t really doing anything to elicit that reaction, then I might be able to put 2 & 2 together… but we almost always forget to think logically… or perhaps the reactions caused by mones are meant to override logic… who knows **

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I have run across game scent in the past and wondered if the person was wearing pheros. At first I’d keep an eye on them for a couple minutes to see anything unusual in their interactions and then in one of these situations I asked the person if they were wearing game scent and they responded with a confused look. Clearly it was another cologne and one that I need to get my hands on lol. People say that davidoff coolwater smells like game but I dont think so.

Anyways I would only be able to tell if someone was wearing pheros if I caught wind of theier cover scent (neroli, akuto, game, ff21, etc)

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Have you ever found that for some reason there are people you can just trust. There are some women you find irresistable and can’t understand why?

That’s what I feel are the concepts with pheromone usage. When something just feels inherently normal and natural, then that’s when you know they’re working.

Yes the congruency with it is very important IMO but also the subtlety of the reactions are the best indication that they are working.

Can you put a guard up against someone using mones? Probably, but sometimes you just can’t know unless its blatant and in your face, and which for most cases, the blatant results are far away from each other. Secondly, how would others know you’re wearing mones if they don’t know about it.

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That’s what I was wondering - it’s a catch 22…

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Just go with it.

I wear mones and as time went on, I wasn’t consciously looking for hits, I just went out and had fun. I went over the previous day/night activities and saw what was different from baseline.

I’m stealing it off of Mystery but.

Let mones enhance your interactions, not define it.

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I Agree - this was more of a hypothetical question than anything else. I do plan to go with it and not analyze it too much :slight_smile:

BTW (no, I’m not paranoid enough to consider this with any seriousness - just as hypothetical as my previous question), can pheromone use ever be considered illegal…? (e.g. can there ever be an accusation of date-rape :open_mouth::D)

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Well I know some of us have been exposed to AD pheromones when other people have worn them. Let me tell you my experience.

We were at work. She sent me an instant message to go grab breakfast with her. When I walked up to her she was looking pretty good, very happy. Then I stepped into her cloud. My skin begain to tingle, my eyes got wide, she got prettier and I was excited to see her. She, pheebs, laughed and told me that she was wearing Instant Shine. It was my first expereince with IS and I wanted to spend all day with her.

I’ve been around other people that I was very impressed and connected to and didn’t know why. Probably a combination of body language, natural pheromones, and personality. I have run into one lady that I didn’t know. She exuded sensuality and sexuality. I was giddy around her. I got stuck a few times just smiling at her. Later on, I kept thinking, why did I behave that way. She was attractive, but not enough to make me act like that. Synthetic pheromones? natural pheromones? I don’t know.

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I guess nature’s best kept secret is best kept secret…

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Generally speaking, no, I don’t think pheromones - or scent - can be consciously ‘detected’ as being the cause of the changes in behaviour/mood/feelings we observe. I say that with the exception of Anone and A1.

When wearing Instant Shine for example, I’ve had comments such as “I feel really happy, I’m having a really good time tonight”; when wearing Instant Honesty, “I can’t believe I’ve just said that”; etc; etc. I think we’ve all had this many a times; when people can consciously tell that they feel different or that they are doing something different, they may verbalise it. They can’t, however, tell that it is your scent that is causing the effect. With time they can tell that it is something about you that causes them to feel happy or be more revealing, but they can’t tell it’s a scent (and no one is intuitively aware that scents they can’t consciously smell could be effecting them - there has to be a conscious scent for them to have any idea) All, positive, persuasion is generally viewed as charisma. Even negative persuasion is viewed as strong leadership and secretly admired; although, having said that, with Androtics products you would have to be behaving seriously dickish to give of a negative persuasive vibe. All these pheromones will have a conscious effect on those exposed, usually making you seem more persuasive in one way or another; “I always feel free to let my hair down around him” or “I always open myself up and get deep around him”, etc, but conscious perception of scent won’t even come into it..

All of what I’ve wrote above, I suggest, does not in the least apply to A1 and anone:

I’ve worn A1 many a time, entirely scentless, and had girls bury their entire faces into my neck telling me they love the way I smell.

Just this Monday, a girl I was kissing, told me I “…smelled really good tonight” whilst wearing 1 spray of MX391 (a large dose of anone; and admittedly a strong, consciously detectable scent)

I’ve had so many examples of this happening, but I’ve only ever had it happen when wearing A1 or a high dose of anone. Weirdly though, although they consciously state that they “love how I smell”, it’s as if the comment comes from beyond consciousness, like something is being grasped at and not fully understood. They have a slightly confused, bewlidered look on their faces when saying it, as if it wasn’t them who said it. I think A1 and anone are right on the threshold of conscious detection, but even then it seems that whilst people can consciously determine that it is your smell causing the change, they can’t distinguish between yourself and the smell, i.e; it’s still you; or rather, it’s you who makes the scent so appealing. Either way, for those who have detected the pheromones, my appeal to those people has shot up even when not wearing those molecules any longer around them.

I suppose then, my answer to your question is ‘no’ to all pheromones excluding A1 and anone, and for those two it is a ‘yes, but … no, not really’.

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Kudos to Wildflower. When I posted my question, even I didn’t know what I was asking or what I was expecting. Your response made sense in more ways than one [are you a writer or something…?] This leads me to believe that what we consider as an individual’s ‘persona’ or ‘personality’, consists to a great degree of his/her bio-chemical signature, considering that it’s not just his/her behavior or attitude that makes people act or feel the way they do, but also what they subconsciously smell… We see and fall subject to this everyday without realizing it. Thanks a lot for the explanation.

Just another bit of curiousity now: is it possible to acquire a resistance or immunity to pheromones? Clearly, from what I read here, people have been using them for years and they still have the same effect. But would it just be a matter of threshold i.e. if you stay within X whiffs of your preferred mones, they will always work on certain individuals, but if you use 2X repeatedly, your targets will eventually stop responding - not because of ghosting, but because they’re too habituated to it [or something like that…?] Or is it just not possible…?

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Wildflower you mean enone right?? as opposed to anone? It’s odd because the forum’s automatic highlighted description of anone should actually be for enone. Androstenone/Androstanone.

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It’s funny you ask this because there is this girl in my dorm loveessss smelling me… It was cool at first but now it’s actually kind of creepy lol (im usualy wearing IS and Ammo around her because shes a cute redhead). I always say im only wearing my regular cologne (auqua di gio) and one day she legit asked if auqua di gio contained phermones because it made her feel good… Of course i was like, nahhhhh you’re so silly hahahahah!

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That’s cheating, you cad :smiley: