Hi, I am 21 here and the girl I have my eyes on is 18. I have known her for about 2 years now from work. I thought that by us being comfortable together and building rapport with her would allow things to build into a relationship. wrongo. But now I want her to see me differently. What is the best way to get out of this “friendzone”. What pheromones would you recommend to help nudge her in the right direction?
Hey allforwon; how are you today?
To build more comfort and eliminate the “friendzone” it is suggested to find the correct target on your socials. Do you own any yet? Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, and Instant Shine work, as the name suggest, instantly. The trick is to find the right amount so you do not oD(pretty hard to do with the socials). Throw in a little none(IG or A314 will work). Lastly, remember, it is impossible to force someone to take the next step, it is important to build a relationship by putting yourself in the shoes of that individual you are after; treat them as you would like to be treated and shower them with love.
Best Regards,
-Amstelbreur
Can you tell us a little more about this girl’s personality?
Can you discern what kind of character traits seem to attract her and if they approximate your own?
Broadly, I agree with Amstelbreur - The socials Instant Shine, IO and maybe IH will help promote a range of feelings in her that conspire towards attraction.
However I don’t remember that IG contains none and whilst A314 does contain a little, it is also a potentially daunting hi-status product that can work but equally can come-off as too serious, or too good for some girls. If she has not shown a propensity to highly alpha males (or a daddy thing!), you may be better trying a small amount of more balanced social/sexy attractant like Ammo. But start low - one spray, as at eighteen, she is likely to be attuned to a lower none signature than high. Only increase carefully and initially steer the Ammo with something social/happy like IS or IO. 
Mobo you are extremely diplomatic.
mobocaster is also correct in his statement. Too much none at his age can be too intimidating for some women. Its all about finding the right target per application.
I used to do that too, confuse affection and attraction…it’s a bitch ain’t it?
Getting out of the friend zone is difficult but it can be done. There’s a couple of ways around it.
Play up the age difference as a source of value for you. I know it’s only three years but I’ve found the younger you are the bigger a difference each year is. A 41 year old couldn’t pull this on a 31 year old, but at 21 you should be close to the age where most people graduate from college, at 18 she’s barely at the age where she’s going into college. (whether or not school is on either of you agenda’s is irrelevant, the age difference is still a factor). A good idea would be to steer the conversation toward issues involving responsibilities. While talking about work, school, financial obligations like rent and bills etc. you might throw out some off the cuff statements like “Yeah I used to think like that too” or “Trust me, you’ll understand in a couple of years”.
The tricky part is to not come off too condescending. This builds on the frame of you being more mature than guys her age and thus higher value.
Start with a single spray of IG to enhance this frame, move up to two after a while.
Second, show interest in other women…let her catch you looking at or flirting with other women. DO NOT GO OVERBOARD WITH THIS. You don’t want her to think you’re a desperate horn dog that ooogles anything in a skirt. You just want to remind her that you are in fact a man with a mans desires…no more.
Try and spend time with other women, flirt, even hang out socially. Just like you want her to know you’re a sexual being, you want her to know other women see you as one.
This can be enhanced with a single spray of Ammo…no more. At your age you’re producing a fair amount of None. However IG seems to have a None taming effect and works as a decent buffer so as long as you’re using that the small amount of None in Ammo should be enough to convey some sexuality without being too overbearing.
Balance being unavailable with leaving the door open. I don’t know if you two have hung out as friends outside of work but I’ll assume you have.
Cut back on that. Have other plans, have a busy social life and convey that your time has value. On the flip side, occasionally throw out an invite when you do have plans and leave it open for her to put forth a little effort to make time for you.
“Some friends and I are going to blah blah blah this friday, you should totally come along, it will be a lot of fun.”
This is more likely to appeal to her if she’s already heard you talking about a couple of past weekend activities she wasn’t involved in and how much fun they were.
Enhancer: Shine and/or IO. The IO helps balance the slightly serious vibe of IG and lets her think you’re a fun guy, the Shine gives her a pleasant feeling just being around you that will help her to feel inclined to spend more time around you to get more of that feeling.
Too much comfort and you’re seen as a friend and nothing more. You need to hit the gym, build a sexy body, where some sexual and social mones and women may hit on you before you even hit on them.
As for your friend she’s got you pegged. Its hard to break out of the friend zone after so much time. Good news is there’s lots of single women out there for you who haven’t got you pegged yet
What’s up my man?
The friendzone SUCKS, we’ve all been there.
Sounds like she’s seeing you as her ‘girlfriend’ right now, and a shoulder to lean on - which is fine if that’s what you both want - but that’s totally not where you want to be!
The best way that I’ve found to avoid that area is to mix some natural
PUA Techniques along with the status & sexual mones… you have to let her know that you’re not only a busy man (And not her shopping buddy,) but a RAVENOUS, SEXY BEAST THAT’S GONNA ROCK HER WORLD!
First off, you are 21 years old! Gotta throw it outta your mind that she’s
some kinda babe-on-a-pedestal - subtly letting her know that you have other options (don’t just be blatant,) is a hella way to do that.
For instance? As a 21 year old, where she’s 18, she can’t go to bars and such (Varies depending on your Country, but that’s the usual…)!
Take advantage of that fact! Go out and party hard! (But don’t drink & drive… this public service message brought to you by Chris Mongrel,) Have some fun, talk to some babes, and totally forget her for a night.
Next time you all talk? Sorta work the conversation to going out, and (again, let the convo flow, don’t force the topic or make it seem fake,) bring it up about that HOT CHICK that was all over you at the bar and how much fun you had. (Don’t lie about it - I’m expecting you, as your 34 year old elder - to go out and get a hot chick hanging all over you - cause Stone Cold Said So,) and watch her eyes dilate.
That’s a under-the-radar way of saying “Hey, I’m not your ‘galpal,’ I’m a FULL FLEDGED MAN who’s gonna pull your hair and throw you on your hands and knees and pound ya.”
Done discreetly and in casual conversation in the right way, that can totally shift the perception of a chick - regarding how she sees you.
Another thing? Make YOURSELF the life of the conversation. When she starts blabbing about her problems and this and that, shift the topic to more positive stuff, leading the conversations. Tease her flirtatiously (Think of 7 year old boys on a playground,) occasionally.
Last? Don’t be super available. Maybe give her a bit of a cold shoulder on occasion if she does something that annoys you (Don’t be an ass, just don’t be there for her 24/7).
One thing to note: If you do this stuff and go the relationship route, it won’t go back to friendship - so keep that in mind - friends won’t work again.
Also? A spray of Ammo and Instant Shine may just help you out… it’ll make you the center of attention and feel great, and the ammo will give ya a cool guy, sexy vibe. (Don’t overdo it though, since you’re young and don’t want none OD - ing.)
Cheers bro, and good luck!
***CM
The Pick Up Artist Braddock has some great things to say about this in his SCM DVDs. I’ll summarize his main points. Here’s what you need to do:
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Put some distance between you and her for a month at minimum. This allows you to change your categorization in her head. If you see her at work, brush her off. Try to avoid her as much as possible. If she asks you to hang out, or do anything else with her, say that you are busy. Don’t return any calls or text messages that she sends you.
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After a month or two, begin to talk to her again. However, do not build any more comfort. Instead, slowly begin acting more flirtatious. Bust on her. Tease her. Mention other girls, etc. Don’t be obvious about it though. Start slowly and work your way up to bolder attraction game. If she says something like, “I don’t think of you that way”, then you are stepping up your attraction game too quickly.
Pheromones can help you here. You’ll want to avoid any social pheromones and focus solely on those that promote sexual attraction: Ammo, TUTH