mx 203 - 6/10 alone, with IH and DST Pheros 7.5/10
Alter Ego - 5/10 alone, [7.5/10 with IS/IH]
a314 - 6/10 - i havent been able to get the most out of this one. i feel it slows down Ammo’s effect so that i dont get the strong hit i would if worn Ammo alone,… though it does give it greater buffering. [With IS/IH - 7/10]
“almost made top ten”
11.p83 - 5 to 8/10 depnding on its fluctuating moods..it can also backfire/
12. mx149 - good rapport mix - 6.5 to 7/10
13. Tal/tah combo. - abit hit/miss, but when it fires, a 7.5/10
"other reasonable products"
DST Pheros - 7/10 -great way to cover all mones, plus add some sensuaility too. it smooths all the mones out. too subtle to wear on its own. great cover for -nones.
IS -6.5/10 alone, with a combo. like IS/IFM/IH - 8/10
16. mx103 - 6/10 - have had some good hits, but erratic performer.
p79 - 6/10 too erratic and argumentative…but had a few initial hits when combined with Ammo and iS.
mx152 - solid, does its job, good hits on iniital tests
"also rans"
19.chikara - 3/10 - man, they all raaan away from me!!! didnt get this one at all, lovely smell. from what ive read, it woirks best for younger guys.
20. IO 4/10 and
21. CTTM2 4/10 - dunno, but cant make Androstenol Alpha work for me…IO has ruined my mixes alot of times, as have
22.SOE 5/10 and CTTM2. Just my experience though. SOE/W i used a few times to try the Cops and it worked very well, 7/10…need more tests.
23. mx172 - too harsh..i felt great though, but girls were waay intimidated by it. Not really an aslo ran, i rate it a 6/10, but for its awesome self-effects. i felt like a pompous god who didnt give two s- what anyone else thought of me. ias above and beyone everyone.
ooh! i forgot IFM - it only get a 6/10. 2 reasons. 1.while it is perhaps the best comforter , sensualiser and rapport builder of all time, it is like the troubled football player - the talented star and playmaker of the team, yet has erratic behavioural and alcohol issues.
and 2. it too often turns the interaction into something dark and into something too sensitive for me…the girl will be attracted, the A1 converts to Androstenone or something, as they then change there mind and give me an OD response. and because im wearing IFM, i get overly sensitive, start sulking and go into an almost sub-psychotic depression for days…well, its not that baaad, but this scenario has definately [and unecessarily] played out on several occasions.
having said this, the most devastatingly obsessive and crushy combo. ive tried is the good 'ol IS iFM IH IO quaddie! maaan, that is some powerful s…they crush on ya like there still 15…a girl made me a CD collection for no apparnet reason - id known her 20 minutes the day before at a party!!! - anopther girl like 5 times asked for my Facebook.
now when i added CTTM2 to it as a to go pre-mix, it totally negated the poer of the A1, not sure why??? same components - ya IH IO IFM??? maybe the key was IS!!
Chikara scented (and I certainly ain’t young!)
P74
IFM
Instant Openness certainly works (too well) but I find I already cause “chattyness” naturally.
SoE, PheroBoy, and similar are all “average” to me.
Perception did nothing for me, although the “extender” carrier did seem to work for the fragrances I wore.
Primal Instinct had people curl up in defensive balls or leave. TUTH on the other hand didn’t cause any of that behavior, but I’m not sure it’s “stirred” anyone very much yet. Plus I have to get myself into a “position” to use it.
Did get a DIHL once from Alter Ego.
Most others - nothing firm yet. Would have thought Ammunition to give similar results to Chikara, but so far not. Still experimenting with some like A7, Aquagen (don’t like cover scent at all), Impi, Pheromax.
A314 did give me some “follow responses” so I know it works in that regard, but I don’t have much call for it at the moment.
Everyone is different and it’s nice to see such a variety of products in one list. I’ll just say you should work with A314 more. I guarantee it’ll find it’s way much higher on that list though.
yea i was wondering what happened to A314, not even in your top 6? give it a bit more try the effects are subtle and A314 takes longer to difuse, i’d say its one of the slowest difusing product.
also, it looks like you got a problem with -Anol products, IO and SOE ended up in your bottom 5 lol.
anyway, great list.
Why lol??? Alpha Androstenol has only helped 1 of my mixes, and that was with IFM/IS. dunno if i woulda got same results without it anyway.
IO didnt help when combined with a314 and IS. and ive had disastrous reactions to Ammo/ SOE-men several times. SOE seemed too potent in self-effects too, not smooth at all, i was blubbering around like a drunk. CTTM2 negated the effect of IFM when pre-mixed…and negated an 83/74 pre-mix in a 5ml to go bottle, and a mx203 pre-mix 1:1 ration in a 5ml to go.
so theres been enough of a pattern establisehd with Alpha Androstenol products to conclude its of little use in my mixes.
i will say this though, IO does go well with Copulins. i did actually get nice hits off SOE/ W around bisexual [read Aussie ] women.
fair enough, each to his own, didn’t know they ended up giving you “disastrous” reactions, hope they work out better for you in the future.
i know for me personally -Anol is probably THE easiest for me to see results, IO more so because it’s alcohol based, right next to -none(tuth), now they might not be “quality” hits or sexual ones, but i could definitely conclude it was the -Anol doing something. nowdays i rarely use IO by itself anyway, most of the time i use it as a buffer to my other mix, ammo and A314 being the base most of the time.
Anol is 1/3 of your number one pick… Ammo. In fact its in quite a few of your picks there including IH. Dont under estimate it just because you dont see results when used by itself. Used with the right combo it can be very effective. The trick is to find that combo. You need to know what to use it with.
That dosnt surprise me, We had said on the form before the products should not be premixed in the same bottle because it throws the balance off. They are ment to be layered. Have you tried CTTM and IFM layered ?
yep, i tried CTTM2 layered with IFM and a similiar result. NO WHERE NEAR the awesome effect i get from IFM/IS/IH, so the only differrence i see is the added alphanol in CTTM2, or the different ratios of beta-nol betwwen IH or the 1:1 50/50 in CTTM2
i disagree re: pre-mixes not working. some of the pre-mixes i use work well like Ammo/IS mixed together in a 5ml bottle at 1:1 ratios. i focus on the ratios, so thats not the issue. dont peeps like Tater say its more effective this way???
the above CTTM2 pre-mix combiantions were skewed and diminished through the Alphanol. again,. everyones different, and Alphanol dosent have to work for everyone.but yes, in general, the alphanol based pre-mixes havent worked that well for me.
some of the premixes work well when single molecules - so my tal/ tah in a 5ml work well together.
its worked very well only with the IFM/IS, and its in SOE/w with Copulins. for some reason…Ammo/SOE [men] has been very very bad on 3 occasions…dunno why?
yeah Ammo’s my favourtie so IO aint bad when buried in a mix. it just aint in my top 15 as a solo project or with a314
LOL yes they do but peeps like MHarris who actually invented the product say no so I tend to listen to him. I have spoken to alot of people by PM me who have wasted perfectly good products trying to composite things they shouldnt. Something simple like adding TAA to AMMO which used to be sold that way is probably fine but when you begin to mix the more complex MX’s like MX149 or MX203 you throw the formula, the ratio and the balance right off. Some of these are already complex mixes. But Hey there your products so use them the way you like.
Yes I am not talking about single molecules like Tah and TAL, those are made for mixing really. I am refering to consumers or test mixes.
MX203 is heavy amounts of P93 <<<< (typo fixed Ty E) and Alpha Androstenol with Taa and a few other pheromones that have been undisclosed. I believe Jas said there was a total of six in there but I would have to check my notes. Its definately not buried in the mix nor is it in AMMO and a few others.
Basically I am just saying since you have success with it in other things you should have success with it in certain composites you make so dont rule it out just because it didnt work well with Instant Female Magic. Your not using raw pheromones to composite and its more likely it just threw the balance off and not that the Alpha Androstenol alone caused the problem.
im 32 and the IS/IFM/IO or IH had 25 year olds crushing quite hard. all northern european girls
dutch and german obsessive with the IO version, and swedish hit very heavy with IH substitute.
IFM hits feel totally different to none hits. maybe its best described as “instant realtionship” molecule, not something taht will immediately lead to sex though…i loved the way these 2 combo’s made the girls feel. they seemt o be hit very subtly by it until they say something like “so wahts your facebook again?” 3 times in half an hour. or nothing major till another girl blurts out; “ill make a cd for u” and gives it to my friend to give to me the next day. had hardly known this girl. IFM , when mixed with taa and the socials, is the only experiience ive had with this level of “crushing” with a mix.
interestingly - less potent results with IFM mixes with many Anglo girls. i wonder now if IFM.
IFM has also been tricky for me with the -none conversions, especially if id been wearing androstenone in the mix or the day before.
sorry dreadful spelling. i really need to edit my posts. was gonna add that maybe IFM has ethnic sensitivities as the extreme hits with it have come mainly from northern europeans, pale skin, blonde hair etc., whilst having bad reactions from Anglos and Japanese. i think thats just coincidental though.anyone had similar situations with IFM?
