Hi all.
Anyone know about the relative strength of these two -none products?
I have seen good IOI’s (like repeated looks from women) with two drops of PI.
I have not seen these signs with 2 or 3 sprays of TUTH, so wonder if I’m using too little.
Thanks and cheers,
PH
(Age : 37)
from what ive read tuth really only works when u have a very strong connection to person usually a sexual connection
Standard TUTH has 2.5mcg of none per spray, whilst Primal Instinct has about 25mcg of none per dorp.
However, you must remember that because of its slower diffusion, an oil-base product needs a much higher concentration to be effective. Figures I’ve read suggest that would be in the order of 7-12 times higher, so that would place Primal Instinct at about equal to TUTH.
Other factors will also affect this, notably the temp and humidity of the environment - The hotter more humid places would lend themselves to oil instead of alc.
Then there is the factor of steering molecules, I understand Primal Instinct is just none, whilst TUTH has a number of other pheros to enhance its effect. Then there are scented and unscented versions of Primal Instinct and I reckon the unscented mught not have particularly good diffusion.
Lastly, your age suggests you might well need a higher dose - Our none output falls as we age and I can easily use 2 sprays of 2x TUTH and get a good response.
Another factor is your situation - TUTH is a product mainly designed for enhancing sex between established partners but you are talking about IOIs - It may be that another product is more suitable.
As this is your first post, you should go and start a thread in the intro forum with a bit more detail about yourself and your situation - That way we can offer better advice and you earn a GC to offset the cost of trying different products. 
The rate of diffusion would affect the speed of the effect, but wouldn’t the strength of the effect depend on the extent of diffusion,whether slow or fast?
Whatever would be expected to occur, I have seen strong IOI’s with PI but not with TUTH
Can you give us a bit more info about where you were geting hits and from what sort of age range?
TBH, the best way to assess any phero is to follow Steve’s Sweet Spot guide to establish basic doses for your typical forms of social interaction. That way you eliminate as many variables as possible and TBH, where pheros are concerned, there are a lot. Especially with overt none - which will get you ignored/ghosted/trigger negative responses in some situations but get exactly the opposite in others - even with the same people!
Its not all entirely concerned with quantity and diffusion - In some situations a tiny amount can work wonders and then when inhibitions are lowered, you might find you can use a much higher dose effectively. At 37, you have a much wider dose range to operate within compared to a younger guy. Then there is the matter of socials/none moderators - which depending on the ages of your targets, can be every bit as important in provoking feelings as piling-on the none.
Sweet Sopt guide:
I noticed hits at the gym, at work, and generally in group situations. In particular, a stare with a big smile that lingers and moves to my chest, lip-licking, and stuff like that.
The age range seemed to be mostly late 20’s and above. Not as much from early to mid 20’s, which I’d also be happy to attract.
Two weeks ago, I switched over from SOE plus PI to a different mix entirely: A312, IS, IO, plus TUTH.
I don’t know what’s happening. Seems a lot different. Frankly, I feel a bit agitated when wearing all four together. Especially after adding in the 3 sprays of IS at the end.
People are not reacting as much.
I’m using about 2 or 3 sprays of each
Today at work I just wore 3 sprays of A312 and felt more relaxed and perceive people were more relaxed around me.
I’m a little confused at what those extra things do in TUTH. Maybe pure -none is better for attracting initially?
thanks and cheers!
PH
The extra molecules in TUTH are to steer it in a very sexual direction. Remember that TUTH is not a general attraction product - wear it in the wrong situation and you can get taken as creepy, agressive or just way too horny for your own good.
The age of your respondants should tell you something straight-off. Younger women are generally more likely to respond better to a smaller amount of none/more socials compared to an older woman. If you are looking to attract younger women, a more balanced social/sexy sig is better - See you SOE/PI mix
Gyms tend to be none-rich environments and personally, I’ve found it better to adopt a more social sig in order to stand out. Work is similarly difficult - People do tend to mask sexual responses in work environments - After all, its not like you can get stuck into each other on the shop floor is it?
SOE/PI is a pretty well rounded mix, in some ways akin to Ammo - The none in the PI is well balanced by the rone and nol in the SOE. Maybe think on using less PI to interest the younger women. A314 contains a little none and is great in the workplace but I’m not convinced about TUTH’s effectiveness in a work environment - sometimes it can be a laugh but more likely it will cause people to ghost/avoid you because they feel uncomfortable. I would save it for out of hours - clubbing and the like as it needs a pretty uninhibited environment to work effectively for attraction. IS and IO are both good social moderators though and would help make it effective socially.
Another thing to remember is that A314 is a very mature/capable/alpha signature and yes, I’ve found it very good in clubbing mixes with TUTH alone but these are generally most effective with older (late 20s-up) women. A younger woman can find A314 as too daunting, too serious, too LTR-minded, unapproachable/standoffish/“daddy” like and generally not someone she can imagine cuddling up to. A lighter more fun/social/happy sig is often far better here.
Which version A314 are you using? if its the -a version, that is quite a lot to wear to work whilst if its the -b, that is still an amount that I’d only use when I’m working with my biggest bosses. Have you done any serious sweet spot testing with it?
Lastly, I’d sugest that any mix containing IO and A314 is better avoided as IME, IO wrecks the A314 vibe comprehensively - even the store page advises that IO is the product to tone-down A314. So if you feel the need to add IO, I would think you really need to cut down the amount of A314 instead.
A314/IS is a good all-rounder for work or play, A314/IS/TUTH for clubs/parties etc (interested in what A314/PI would do here?). TUTH/IO and/or IS is a good social/sexual/feelgood mix - maybe try some of those instead?
all right, smokin.
IS - can this have negative self-effects, like becoming too chatty or even a bit impulsive with words?
I’ve been trying 2 or 3 sprays; it has a bit of a smell.
I also got the MX422 - will report on that after more testing.
IO - with this other social, it’s hard to OD? Use 3 or 4 for younger women?
I’ve been spraying everything on my front neck, left center right, top middle bottom down to near top of chest.
If I spray on hands, I worry that it will rub off on contact.
If on my chest, it won’t penetrate through shirt or will rub off on it.
cheers!