"Venting" my Adventures

[Lor]

all this happiness @P91 is just pissing me off

last time i gave it a try,
i got an instant anxiety attack and had the flu all next 2 weeks.

i think my P91 is also a few years old, i think i will try a brandy-new one.

i need to place an order anyways,
and i ought to update a couple of "p"s that have expired.

i want my P91 and i want it now!
<— ok,there wasnt a pouting smiley

[Lor]

@marty

Hey can I ask how much Tommy Fever was dosed in? IG and TAH, but in want amounts?

I’ve been really wanting to test out TAL and TAH, but every time I save up a little money for ordering some, something else (Raw power pack for instance) sweeps in and drains all my savings…

Someday. This TAH stuff sounds really “nice” I like friendly mixes a lot.

I hit Tommy Fever over the head with:

2 sprays instant gentleman to the wrists

2-3 sprays of TAH 25mu for a total of aprox 60mu

(i think 1 spray didnt come all the way out. he might remember it differently)

i just got off the phone with Fever and he said he had LOTS to post about.
all i can hint at is that there are sexual implications with this mixture
it is DEFINATLY a combo men will want to try.

not for women,apparently

[Tigerlilly]

I was worried that I would get a Lor-esque reaction, but I think you are (no offense) weird with these - your biochemistry is pretty sensitive to the pheros in general, from what I’ve read…

The happiness didn’t kick in until about 10-15 mins after I put it on, and it increases exponentially around other people. It’s very much a communal vibe, a communal happiness. Sitting alone at me desk is groovy, but I am now ecstatic to be with others.

I’m also a chatty little thing right now - emailing, texting, posting… you name it.

Whoo, go smilies!

I put on some oil-based perfume over the p91 and it dramatically slowed and blunted the crazy happy hippy vibe I was feeling - thank god, because I was feeling totally silly. Now its still crazy happy and fun, but much more controlled…

And I am using 37.5 mcg sprayed once, then another spray an hour later.

I so want to try more p’s too, but need to work through this supply first. I really want to try p101/102/103, and if mx135 ever comes back in cookie scent, I want it most def.

[Tigerlilly]

@Lor

I hit Tommy Fever over the head with:

2 sprays instant gentleman to the wrists

2-3 sprays of TAH 25mu for a total of aprox 60mu

(i think 1 spray didnt come all the way out. he might remember it differently)

i just got off the phone with Fever and he said he had LOTS to post about.
all i can hint at is that there are sexual implications with this mixture
it is DEFINATLY a combo men will want to try.

not for women,apparently

Well, at least some good came from this test! They’ll enjoy it, I hope! Especially if it’s as good as you’re drumming it up to be, Lor.

As the original mix idea came from Diane, kudos and props should go to her. Men, line up and pay homage…

[Lor]

@Tigerlilly

Hmmm… damn, not what I was hoping for. I was actually hoping for the self-effects of TAH and the projected effects of IG…

Seems to have been the reverse!

Glad you had a good night.

This TAH is so much fun to play with.

oh i know me too.
i expected all heart-shaped valentine candy raining down from the bar ceiling and buzzed people begging me to take their money,please…

i got the opposite.

howeverrrrrrr…

i would very much like to try a hint of gentleman and LOTS of TAH…

bet the balance throws lava-lamp light on this subject

oh BTW-
the gentleman wore off. woke up this morning and went shopping, never have even washed the sleep from my eyes…
get this!
no gentleman left, only TAH and marshmallow scent.
im FULL of happy smiley weirdness, to the extent that i have totally misplaced my roadrage when cut-off!

im thinking all morning WTH am i so happy?
no really, WTH?
then i guessed maybe there is still some TAH?

so i would like to know what happens to TAH when it is broken-down by bacteria?

does it behave like some pheromones and become something different?

is the by-product something way more FAR OUT and GROOVY then any of us have suspected??!!!

WTH?

anyone with insight ?

[Tigerlilly]

@Lor

oh i know me too.
i expected all heart-shaped valentine candy raining down from the bar ceiling and buzzed people begging me to take their money,please…

i got the opposite.

howeverrrrrrr…

i would very much like to try a hint of gentleman and LOTS of TAH…

bet the balance throws lava-lamp light on this subject

oh BTW-
the gentleman wore off. woke up this morning and went shopping, never have even washed the sleep from my eyes…
get this!
no gentleman left, only TAH and marshmallow scent.
im FULL of happy smiley weirdness, to the extent that i have totally misplaced my roadrage when cut-off!

im thinking all morning WTH am i so happy?
no really, WTH?
then i guessed maybe there is still some TAH?

so i would like to know what happens to TAH when it is broken-down by bacteria?

does it behave like some pheromones and become something different?

is the by-product something way more FAR OUT and GROOVY then any of us have suspected??!!!

WTH?

anyone with insight ?

Oh! oh!! yes! yes!!

This is exactly what I was trying to say in my journal yesterday!!

@Tigerlilly

At high TAH (67+ mcg ) doses, I get an enlightened, hippy, happy, loving, peaceful, vibe - here on known as “Falling in Love” vibe. That lasts, and lasts, and lasts… and lasts. I stay in that frame for ages. People respond to me in that frame for ages. My best hits are at least 7 hours after application. Thats WAY outside my norm for pheros lasting on me.

Wearing 50mcg or less, I get a happy, loving, peaceful vibe, but it doesn’t last. It wears off at the same duration as my other pheros. I didn’t have a lasting “falling in love” vibe, and the intensity of that vibe wasn’t the same either. I didn’t get any TAH responsive hits after the phero seemed to wear off.

I think high TAH doses do do something fundamental - I think at that level, they are acting in a different way than at a lower level.

I’m not smart enough to know what, but Diane’s theory on neurotransmitter cascades is something I have seized on as a possible explanation.

It could explain the lasting, beautiful, wonderful new frame of mind, the paradigm shift that seems to come about with high TAH doses.

Did you reapply any TAH yesterday???

[SteveO]

@Tigerlilly

Steve,

I am very perplexed as to how and why you personally became so defensive with this post. I never was attacking you personally, or addressing this post to you as an individual in any way. I actually have read your blog and yes, was aware that you were not an active PUA anymore.

I gave up on the forums last night. Something seemed to be in the water. Emotions ran way high and multiple messages were misconstrued and garbled across the board. Now, in relation to your post, multiple people came away from your first post probably a bit confused and not thinking what you clearly meant to say, as you expanded upon in a later post. First Wrlly seemed to come away from your post understanding that you meant spraying TAH as a way to get a disrespect self effect:

And then diane999, back to “devalueing”:

Later on, you expanded greatly, but please understand that I was not the only one to understand your meaning this way, at least initially. Diane, who is a mental ninja, was able to really get to the core of what you were saying and then analyze the deeper meaning behind the deeper meaning. But that’s her and her sheer brilliance at work. She operates on a level far different than many many of us here. She’s clearly out of my league!

It took a while to us to get to this point - Diane was the mental ninja who brought it out. Thank you, Diane.

Actually, this is what you said, and what I read that lead me to my thought process:

You said it much better above, in my opinion. I couldn’t wrap my head around the latter statement. I identified it with similar PUA statements made by others on the boards, and in other places. There was never a personal statement or accusation towards you. I was attempting to understand this thought process through what I know is a common male thought process to some of the board, and at least at one time was a thought process of yours.

Reading on, I read that you were attempting to clarify your own thought process here:

Gotcha, Gotcha… I agree actually, value should never be placed on someone via looks alone. It should be inherent, already given, already freely understood that everyone has a beautiful value…

And that’s where you lost me.

We have a fundamental difference in opinion regarding people interacting with people, and about how you approach someone (removing all PUA and sexual connotations for the moment) as an individual.

Not at all! In fact, I readily acknowledged the good aspects of Game here:

And Wrlly said something that I quite liked as well:

Once again, my comparison to game and PUA was an attempt to understand the thought process in relation to a man’s understanding of it. Your initial attempt to state your point was a bit muddled and confusing.

Clearly not. I do not know where you get that. ALL people, regardless of looks, should be approached with honest, loving respect for their inherent value. (which is always present, imo.)

You’ve explained yourself much better here and in other places now, however, I still believe that approaching anyone with a belief they haven’t earned any value is what is driving our disagreement.

Sure thing, here you go:

I never said you personally said any of this. Once again, I am mystified as to why you took my reply so personally. It was never addressed to you. You posted on an open forum, in a journal which has basically become a bar lounge for several of us, and I threw my .02 cents in. That’s the spirit of Lor’s journal. In addition, I thought you would appreciate, or at least understand the posting and interplay, since you very often state that this is a great forum, where everyone can post and disagree, and still be friends.

Right here:

That’s where I got that. Please understand that I was not the only one - Wrlly also pulled the “disrespect self effect” from your post. Please see above.

I think we have a fundamental disagreement, but more than that, I think we had a communication error.

I think that was rampant yesterday.

Regarding your friend:

I will echo Diane - I think that’s a therapy problem, not a pheromone problem. Hope he can work it out, truly.

@Lor - I don’t have an instant dislike for PUA. I acknowledge the good aspects, and really feel that building self confidence and esteem is a beautiful thing. If PUA can help a man do that, that’s fabulous. However, I do think that PUA can also turn on you - your confidence and self esteem can come from a place outside yourself too easily. It can, but not always, be dependent on what you feel you “picked up.” You may value yourself based on your skills or game, when you should be valuing yourself on you. Like I said, that’s not my overriding view of it, but it remains why I am wary of it.

I’m sorry that I misunderstood your intentions. I believed it was directed at me. I also apologize for my reaction

[Tigerlilly]

@Steve

I’m sorry that I misunderstood your intentions. I believed it was directed at me. I also apologize for my reaction

hugs

S’all good!

Have a good today, Steve!

(Have a better day with p91!)

[SteveO]

@Tigerlilly

hugs

S’all good!

Have a good today, Steve!

(Have a better day with p91!)

This should be a lesson to everyone. We can disagree and react, but as adults still understand we all have differing viewpoints and thats OK

[diane999]

@Steve

This should be a lesson to everyone. We can disagree and react, but as adults still understand we all have differing viewpoints and thats OK

Oh, yah, baby…!!!

I just had the rare honor and privilege of listening to my husband on the phone not long ago, (he’s working from home today), as he welcomed the caller’s ideas with open arms and praised him, and then proceeded for 45 minute to explain to him how he would fight him tooth and nail on every single point of his proposal, but one, and win, how he would end up not only with his budget but also with all his people. In the end this fella will thank my husband for all the headaches he’s preventing.

It was very respectfully done, though intense, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Diane

[Tigerlilly]

2pm PDT - p91 come down… how sad…

Effects lasted aprox 4.5 hours.

[diane999]

@Tigerlilly

2pm PDT - p91 come down… how sad…

Effects lasted aprox 4.5 hours.

That’s about right. Any lasting effects?

Diane

[Wrlprchnx]

@Tigerlilly

I was worried that I would get a Lor-esque reaction, but I think you are (no offense) weird with these - your biochemistry is pretty sensitive to the pheros in general, from what I’ve read…

The happiness didn’t kick in until about 10-15 mins after I put it on, and it increases exponentially around other people. It’s very much a communal vibe, a communal happiness. Sitting alone at me desk is groovy, but I am now ecstatic to be with others.

I’m also a chatty little thing right now - emailing, texting, posting… you name it.

Whoo, go smilies!

I put on some oil-based perfume over the p91 and it dramatically slowed and blunted the crazy happy hippy vibe I was feeling - thank god, because I was feeling totally silly. Now its still crazy happy and fun, but much more controlled…

And I am using 37.5 mcg sprayed once, then another spray an hour later.

I so want to try more p’s too, but need to work through this supply first. I really want to try p101/102/103, and if mx135 ever comes back in cookie scent, I want it most def.

I throughly enjoyed testing P101 - I’m still not entirely sure about it

[Tigerlilly]

@diane999

That’s about right. Any lasting effects?

Diane

Not really… back to normal.

A bit tired, but more the tiredness you get after a huge laughing fit. Not p86 tired.

Back in my head though. Less social after the amazing outwardly social experiences of earlier.

We’ll see if anything crops up. Anything I should be looking for?

[Lor]

@Wrlprchnx

I throughly enjoyed testing P101 - I’m still not entirely sure about it

how did you apply and in what dosage?

i tested it a long time ago, and remebered i loved it.
but then i think i remember getting wiped-out eventually afterwards.
im going to research what i said.

[Lor]

well i applied the simple version of money maker last night,
60mu TAL
125mu EST

only made 20% so i wasnt impressed.
back to what i know works, even if its quite the medly.

on a more interesting note,
Tommy Fever needs to post,

i sprayed him with 75mu TAH.
nothing else.

hopefully he’ll get in here and post.

[Lor]

on P101:

like LOVE this stuff!

its only been 20 minutes and although i wasnt in a bad mood to start, i get a great vibe from it.

its heady, but so far it could smell like paint thinner and id be okay with that.

i can already tell this is going to be one of those putatives that smell will be secondary to the experience.

i had to hit myself with it again, its not exceptionally strong.

i dont at all get the “spacy, looking at shiny things” that other people get,

but then again im using a low dose.
mine is only 2.5,i sprayed twice.

okay, this might sound a little weird, but i feel knowledgable.
like ask me anything,dude, im tapped in - tuned in - turned on .

this seems like a great rapport 'pheromone

http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/smile.gif

well, i have only been using it for over an hour, and i have to agree with Dolly.

on application, its imediatly uplifting.

as time goes by, you acclimate.

not so much bang left, but the upliftment is still clearly there.
the cats like it.
my 5 yr old seems either unnaffected, or he is so usually fun and happy anyway that i cant notice it.

i think its easy to acclimate to is all.
thats a real good quality,

i predict we are going to see this one in some serious mixes later on in the year, after more people give it the thumbs-up.

i see it paired beautifully with TAH or TAL ,

with Alpha Androstenol and TAK possibly in a relax-mix.

i cant find where i got the “let down” hours after.
i just remember it.

[diane999]

@Tigerlilly

Not really… back to normal.

A bit tired, but more the tiredness you get after a huge laughing fit. Not p86 tired.

Back in my head though. Less social after the amazing outwardly social experiences of earlier.

We’ll see if anything crops up. Anything I should be looking for?

I have a theory about some of these uplifting, loving pheromones.

You know how if you practice gratitude it becomes easier to feel love and kindness and gratitude? That is because we are acclimating our bodies to respond in those ways, and feel those things.

The same way that being under stress for a while makes it harder to feel love and kindness and gratitude. That too is an acclimation in the other direction.

I think with repeated use of pheromones, it makes us more like we are on the pheromones, without the pheromones. If that makes sense.

P91 is an appreciative and loving pheromone. I think with repeated use of it one would become more acclimated to feeling appreciative and loving.

Like my husband is acclimated more to being loving than being a jerk, since I exposed him to EST consistently for a couple of months. I have only worn EST three times in the past 4 or 5 weeks, and he is loving and attentive and acting consistently the same way he did when he was constantly exposed to EST. Now I only use it as kind of a reminder.

So I think these kinds of molecules, P91, EST, Androsterone, etc., really do work a fundamental magic on those exposed to them.

Diane

[Lor]

all the more reason i need to get “new” P91.

im wondering more and more as i read
if my P91 is freaking me out because it is old…

[Lor]

@diane999

That’s about right. Any lasting effects?

Diane

okay ladies:

im ordering P91 and need to be inspired as to what dosage to get.
i think its safe to say that if i have another reacion like last time,
i can just send it to you both.

also, you guys get the reaction with P91 that i did with the P101…
almost exactly,
except P101 has this above everything quality to it that is very attractive-
so its not a silly happiness, but an enlightened happiness.