actually i do vary but not often at work anymore due to money being tight recently.
i vary VERY much during the day.
also i have tested putatives at work in earlier posts, but i believe this is before you found my journal
i do not think all users know that wearing 10 sprays of any one pheromone mix is manipulation vs enhancement.
some do.
i wont get into that part.
but as for the difference between manipulation and influence…
i believe its my intention to influence another person postively wearing something that may or may not be uplifting to them.
that would be up to HOW I BEHAVE WHILE USING/wearing.
the subtly of a nice or sexxay phero-sigature is enhancement.
the ability for someone to wear enough of a mixture (OD to people not acclimated) that it can create a spacy or confused feeling, often refered to as lust is the intention that enhancement is not enough, i must use it to the degree that it overwhelmes.
in other words, if i am in an office environment for instance, and to be near me is to catch my signature, that is wonderful.
you get to decide whether you like it or not and behave accordingly.
now if i am in this office wearing 14 sprays of anything,
and you are across the room and can huff me from there,
i believe it is sometimes the intention of the person wearing that you are going to huff me whether you like that signature or NOT.
While I agree that striving for something is a requirement of being Alpha - or in other words, an Alpha does not stagnate - I do not feel that all people who try to get what they want are inherently Alpha.
It has alot more to do with how they try to get what they want.
An Alpha acquires their value from within themselves, a Beta acquires value from outside of themselves.
A-types all too often demand others to respect them and acquire any respect they have by FORCING their will onto people of lesser strength that surround them. The angry guys you see at bars who punch people to get what they want ARE NOT ALPHA, they are simply Betas who are trying to act like Alphas by using their muscles to demand respect from people, irregardless of whether those people think they deserve it. An Alpha does not demand respect, but instead commands it.
I think we view Alpha in much the same way Lor and this discussion is a bit of a practice in semantics…
I agree with you that being Alpha means having a STRONG sense of self-worth and clarity of purpose.
Clarity of purpose is the wrong way to say it - Alpha’s just inherently know what needs to be done, they know their limitations and are not afraid of them.. They also know what they are capable of and don’t shy away from performing to their capabilities.
See Lor…this is why I keep banging on about you being like a black belt in human behaviour and psychoanalysis… I love reading your post and reports on this stuff! I wish I got people the way you seem to get them… I think I’m too much of an analytical surgeon type/scientific mind tho…
I think this is partly my fault because I report almost exclusively on self effects. My intention originally was to try to get a handle on how these molecules affect people, by seeing how they affected me. Often I see the same things in those around me that I’m experiencing in myself, and sometimes something completely different.
So for me it was just a way to better get a real handle on the pheromones.
But let’s face it, these substances do affect us as well as those around us. There was a great debate about this regarding A314, about how wearing the stuff actually made you more prone to be like your signature, more alpha and more confident.
We do get self effects, whether we are aware of it, or whether it is intentional or not. If we were wearing the miniscule nano-molecular amounts like we produce normally, that wouldn’t be the case. But we are not, and it is.
Diane, you have been one of the true inspirations on these boards. I think that your self testing, and focusing on the self effects is PRECISELY what is needed during our individual testing of these mixes. Xiphoid does it as well. it is indeed the best seeming way to really fully understand these pheros - how do they effect US, and then how do they effect others?
I remain convinced that self effects are very important. Either through an unconscious aspect of behavior modification or self-suggestion, or a true bio-chemical self effect, there is truly something “going on” self effects wise.
Is then an attention-grabbing “Vavoom” mix, or a “Vavoom 2” mix of Selva’s, or a phero/cop-bomb mix an overwhelming “manipulative” signature? At all times? Or are you narrowing it down to environment and congruence specific actions and interactions?
IE - school and office environments, why are you wearing three sprays MX109? A packed and crowded bar, why are you wearing 200mcg of EST? Lamaaz class, why are you wearing 4 sprays TUTH?
You seem to be able to wear very low doses and get great effects. I, and Xiphoid, and possibly Diane, often wear very high doses of pheros. I know for me, effective ranges of certain (not all!) molecules are in the higher-than-normal range. Some quirk of my body chemistry, no doubt. I know it’s parting words here, but in terms of “great number of sprays” there is a difference between the phero baptisms that all newbies go through, and a dosed mcg content that works for individuals to notice effects on themselves and those around them. “Subtle” can have many different meanings for people. “Subtle” TAF for Xiphoid & me seems to be around 15-20mcg - for you that’s killer!
I also heartily agree with the men on this - Pheros = 10%, you equals 90%. Tisha had great success with her Vavoom mix when she says she wasn’t very sexy (something about ankles showing… ), but I think we all know on here that she IS sexy, and more than that, is confident, in control, in command, and a happy, in charge person. THAT to me are attractive qualities. So withe her Vavoom enhancement, and her NATURAL, inherent personality, I do believe that was a “subtle” 10% enhancement. She found a mix that empowered that 10% (ish) to be HOT DAMN.
I think another problem is that sometimes someone who is a hippo-croca-gorilla-pig will try some the Instant Sexiness line (damn marketing) and wonder WHY oh WHY isn’t it working!? 5 or 6 sprays IS/a will not make the men chase you down - but there will be confusion. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO (OR WHY) EVERYONE WHO DOESN’T SEE RESULTS!! (I can see, feel and hear the pitchforks and torches coming for me…) Again, back to the 10% - it can only work with that 10% - you’ve got to work the other 90%. For the hippo-croca-gorilla-pig, it means exercising, buying flattering clothes, playing up the best parts of their personality, etc - for others, its acting in congruence with the phero, and for still others, its just being themselves.
I do however think there is a fundamental lack of research and knowledge gathering prior to either placing an order or utilizing a (wonderful) freebie gift. The “more is better” philosophy hasn’t been beaten out of people on here adequately enough. DOSAGE is key. INDIVIDUAL experimentation and knowledge gathering is key. FULL studying of what it is these CAN and CANNOT do is key. For instance, I shy away from the term “manipulation” just because it seems like that’s giving the pheros too much power - it’s only 10%.
BUT, then again, I think some men on here would say “Duh!” to your last line up above, especially a PUA at a bar (just an example! put down the pitchfork!) - He WANTS that girl to huff his Ammo/A314/TUTH. Look at the recent experiment the dude did with spraying TUTH around his wife who “wasn’t sexually attracted to him anymore,” and she responded beautifully - If that’s not a blatent “huff me” then I dont know what is - but it worked, as intended, and very well. (Actually, what ever happened to that one… ) If that can work to repair their relationship… is that all that bad???
As Diane said, we ARE using these for effects, to influence, or vent, or diffuse, but somehow, for an effect.
EST is naturally produced in very high quantities, and 60-75 mcg seems to be the most effective for affecting my husband to the best degree for him. It is where he is happiest. I don’t see much as far as self affects with this one at any dosage.
With TAF, Xiphoid and I are special cases regarding this pheromone because of our lazy left frontal cortexes… ADD.
P102, P103 I wear much lower dosage than most of the guys wear, around 1.25 - 2.5 mcg total.
Everyone needs to find their own sweet spots regarding each pheromone, where they are comfortable and they see the best overall effects from others.
It helps if you have a clear overall design for what you want to accomplish with pheromones - the more specific and realistic the better. You may want to take over the world, spread peace and harmony wherever you go, have men groveling at your feet and begging for your slightest affections - but you’d better be ready to accept settling for mere improvements instead.
These discussions about the ethics of pheromone use are overblown, imo. You can’t take away free will no matter how much stinkfoot you bathe in.
And as far as the ethics of affecting others, it reminds me of the religious fanatics warning doom and damnation if women wear makeup, or cut their hair, or show their faces… totally overblown. On the other hand, maybe we should all paint the interior and exterior of our houses dull grey and wear only dull grey clothing so that we don’t accidentally manipulate others into feeling better with cheerful colors.
um i think your reason for self effects and someone else’s reasons when they are having a crappy day are very different
if i am genuinely interested in how a molecule is affecting others,
i play with them myself.
if i am not liking who i am that day and bathe in instant shine or instant sexiness A, thats totally different
this to me implies that Alphas are in some way more clever.
im not sure that anyone thinks that anyone fighting at bars are Alpha.
i think that anyone with the desire to be more has Alpha tendencies**.**
now whether or not they succeed may be determined by intelligent behaviour.
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im not seeing a huge difference there.
but again, this is my theory..
wow its sounding as if some are taking this into a morality senario, and there is alot of defence in phero use going up
if an old lady bathes in perfume and you are forced to inhale a scent that not only overwhelmes you but say makes you uncomfortable,
that is NOT about morality or whether its 10% you 90% ect ect…
its about her NOT being aware that she is smothering her company.
sometimes they know it, and that sucks.
manipulation of airspace.
but i specifically said
this definatey applies to the heavy pheromone use some use because they may have not yet aquired the skill to see when a smaller dose is working affectively.
that would be about awareness.
now, i agree with Diane that some pheros require a heavier dose because of the nature of the pheromone, not the user.
like EST.
its across the board.
but if you cant see results from 5 sprays of instant sexiness,
its just not for you or you are looking for the impossible.
i thought we were talking about the ethics of overwhelming someone that isnt asking to be overwhelmed.
i kind of like that i dont have to breathe in ciggarette smoke since im a nonsmoker,
but this sounds EXACTLY like the response i get when the topic of being able to smoke in bars is brought up!
sometimes you see the target or targets in some cases (posts) not responding or not responding nicely and so
it is usually assumed that not enough sprays are being used.
honestly,
i think there is a lack of observation skills
or
knowledge that sometimes people (targets) dont react outwardly,especially if they are confused by the signal.
you know, used to one thing and then get another?
so with the experimones or the putatives, more is actually necessary
if the dose on the bottle is low to begin with.
if someone writes that they wore
3 sprays IS/A and 4 sprays IHX2 and 2 sprays ISX2 ect ect
all i can think is
our natural pheromone signature when not scrubbed away
would never be this high,
and so
even though the products are WAY higher than natural,
people are using the stuff to get drug-like reactions
or “big” reactions
when the art of pheromone use is subtle in nature
but hopefully not subtle in reaction (although most of the time it is)
otherwise we could call this stuff
spray-mood
and just use opium smoke
i guess i am comming across anti-pheromone use when
really
i am so pro-use that
when they are being used in excess
i feel they lose their intentional purpose.
which is to enhance/inspire/influence
not
make issues go away
is the intention that enhancement is not enough, i must use it to the degree that it overwhelmes.
