What’s the story with MX135?
It was an enormously popular product (which I never got to try)… is it really never going to come back? I’ve searched through posts that are YEARS old and I see people are told to keep waiting and then all of the sudden they’re told it’s never coming back but there will be a replacement…I have yet to see a replacement.
Also, I’m not clear as to why this product would disappear. I’m a little afraid of getting hooked on a product here for fear that it may disappear.
though, an MX isn’t a consumer line just quite yet. MX lines are still bleeding edge mone tech. Not quite ready for Prime Time and in need of testing. Though, as you saw, the MX135 was nearly universally loved. So, sometimes AD will have to sacrifice some MX and P’s because the molecules to make it are not available to them anymore.
So, the consumer line is pretty solid in that It’ll likely stay in place. Though, I’m also looking for some IS/a and IS/b… but they’re not in stock. 
Good thing with mones is that they are almost like all roads lead to Rome… you could get a very similar reaction to a wayward MX with another P line or a combo of P and consumer lines…
The advanced stuff comes and go’s because its really just for testing purposes. Once they finish the test they disappear especially with the women’s mixes. Ours are the first to go simply because there are just more men here. They have to consider sales as well as what products are loved to keep the product research funded.
I agree with you that the disappearance of MX135 was extremely disappointing though because it was such a great product. The women adored it and reported on it all the time. Makes you wonder just how good something has to be before it actually becomes a product.
I will say that on the other hand I am aware its a huge mix and with the blackout on molecules its probably nearly impossible for them to keep it in stock without sacrificing other mixes at least until molecules become more abundant to them.
I keep hearing they dont have enough reporting on putatives to come up with good mixes for women. Doesn’t make sense to me either because in the journals there is a lot of reporting on molecules. There is a huge ratio of men to women here and of course your going to see more reporting on the mens side simply because there are more men here but women do report. Its never going to be equal amount of reporting though. Its impossible, so if that is what they are waiting for they have a long wait and so do we.
Unfortunately one of the things that has always driven women away from this forum and AD is that they cater more to men. They always have and I dont see that changing anytime soon even if we flooded them with reports as we have in the past.
AD may take that as a insult but again I will say its not meant that way. It is what it is. If they sold crap we wouldn’t care but they dont so its
disappointing.
Tisha
Well to be fair the perspective seems to be that there are “no products for women”.
The Instant Line is unisex except for the obvious. As for woman-only products, our major demographic is men. Men are easier to formulate products for and the main market is just more present. We spent a lot of resources and time re-stocking a new version of Instant Sexiness and put out test packs (which haven’t even sold out yet), so while its fair to say we create more mens products it isn’t with intent to exclude women - that wouldn’t be fair to say.
We are a research based company and while many women have posted some great reports - recently we have seen very little detailed research on the women side from new users. Women tend to purchase the MX products or molecules and use it like any regular perfume rather than using it as a research experiment - thus exhausting our supply of molecules and we end up having spent money without getting our research.
I can tell you that we worked very hard to restock iSexi and to update to the new version and if women would like to see more products I still need detailed research on putative we don’t have a lot of female reports on.
Also Harris is one busy dude and we in the office are constantly busy on keeping things stocked. Research takes time and so do product releases. In the meantime, we have Instant Honesty, Instant Openness, Instant Shine, and a plethora of experimones/putative.
(But we still don’t want to re-release old MXs you’ve already tested when we can get new data from you on something else, which I’ve mentioned numerous times in many places.)
I hope this clears everything up.
Not a single day passes that I am not thinking about how to keep the balance between keeping you all happy and keeping this research pumping.
Thank you for your interest <3
John Sebastian
Operations Manager
Androtics Direct
*EDIT: I should probably mention this all goes for the mens section, too. The research has been really lacking lately, and I hope to see it increase soon which is why I want to do that ustream meet up so I can talk about the research and how we can all do our part. For those of you that are such as Tisha and many others, its going great. But we also need fresh voices.
Which test packs would that be ?? I dont remember one for Instant sexiness and I am wondering if maybe I just missed it but you also mentioned its still in stock so now I am confused LOL .
I see the Anol and 78 mix pack and the Drive him crazy test pack. I am hoping like hell its not the DHC test pack because while its ok it doesn’t get nearly the same reactions as Instant sexiness at least for me. (report in journal)
The P78 test pack is better, (report in journal) increases affection more, still a very different reaction then Instant sexiness. You dont get that sexy feminine feel from it like IS and it has less pull with causal acquaintances and strangers.
Tisha
We have your report on it, but it not working on one person == useless
I am not sure what this means…
Do you mean one person reported on it or I tested it on one person and it didnt work or it didnt work for just me ?
I dont test on just myself. I never have. I have a few males and females that test products with me. I just havent reported on there results yet. I also tested it in quite a few different environments so there was a lot of people exposed to them. I dont really write about the failed attempts, most people dont after testing for this long.
I wouldnt classify either test pack as not working. I said not close to Instant sexiness. In my report I did say they were doing something but more on a social scale not so much on a attraction scale like the IS mixes.
Tisha
Well, from what you said it seemed like you said having that test pack doesn’t count because it didn’t work for you.
I was saying that only a few people testing it doesn’t mean that its not available. And it was made exclusively for women however it sat collecting dust. If the womens section wants more products, and we released products but they dont buy them, its not for a lack of trying. I know its expensive, however the mens section has the same thing - they have the none test pack and the UF pack, etc. Those are all expensive. Including A314 - another expensive product. But those were all reported on and used.
No I am just saying I hope one of the ones I tested is not the new ISex because the ones I tested didnt work as well as Isexiness. I didnt report they didnt work at all.
The reason I am confused is because I cant find a test pack that says ISex test pack in the store. Just the ones I mentioned above. I am trying to figure out which one it is.
I agree more reports are needed on all those test packs. I have not complained about the price of the test packs they have always tested new stuff this way here at least since I been here. It is unfortunate more ladies are not buying them and reporting. People tend to go more for the single products because thats what they can afford. With gas prices and food prices going up daily and just about everyone’s taxes going up clear across the country people dont have the money to spend on luxury items like they used to. This is not AD’s fault or problem, I know that AD is feeling the crunch on there end as well but I think if the economy were better you would see more people buying the larger test packs. You see it on the men’s side more simply because they out number the women’s here.
The only thing that is bothering me is that your replacing Isex with something that is not Isex. To me its like trying to pass off a orange for a apple. They are both good but one is not the other. If I go to the store to buy a apple thats what I want. If you dont have them it may be disappointing, you can offer me a orange just dont try to convince me its a apple.
This is why I asked in the other thread >>>> Why not just give it its own name ?
I do understand you cant make the original Isex anymore because of the molecule blackouts. I am not questioning that and I totally understand. I also know from what Jasmin and Michael have spoken about on the forum over and over that changing one molecule can change the whole product.
From what you posted in this thread >>>> http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/re-stock-instant-sexiness-1-3-a-53597.html [link broken]
I happen to know that Isex is primarily TAL and TAH with 5 other putatives. If the ratio of those two are different or they are omitted from the formula its not Isexiness. Now I am not saying this new mix is not going to be good. I am just saying its not Instant sexiness.
By your own admission there is not nearly enough reports on the test packs or any advanced test product to decide if they are good enough to become consumer products. Then how can one of them replace Isexiness ?
I know from years of testing AD products and asking why nothing we test ever ends up in the consumer product line that AD wont release anything in the consumer line until they are absolutely confident its a effective quality mix.
I know Jasmin has said for those who are not interested in testing and want the same tried and true products for them to stick to the consumer line.
So why take a product thats hardly been tested and slap a Isex lable on it and sell it in the consumer section. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
I am not trying to tell you how to run your business but I assume you want to hear the voice of the consumer. Yes the advanced section of the store is for research and testing and I am not referring to that at all.
I think its great your coming out with new things to test and that your coming up with a alternative to Isex. I just thinks its confusing for many members when these changes occur in the consumer line. I know its not directed at the women or something you are “doing to just us”. It happened years ago with AMMO when they omitted TAA from it. It happens even now with A314 which has changed considerably over the years. Calling it by the same name even though you put a number on the bottom of the bottle is false and misleading to the consumer IMO. That number doesnt mean much to the consumer, hell it could mean inspected by 1.3 for all we know. Maybe if you added something in the store to indicate “New Formula” or called it Isex-C it would be less misleading.
The same could be said for when they changed AMMO. Like coke has Coke classic and coke one you could have Ammo original and Ammo reloaded for the version with TAA in it. Just something thats stands out to the consumer and differentiates them more.
I know that creating more labels could be costly to you guys but you can change the wording in the store section to show the differences and still use the old label with the stickers on the bottom or even the back of the bottle clearly saying Reloaded or Version C.
This way you get to change the product ethically without violating branding regulations and it maintains the trust and confidence of the consumer in your products.
Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: [link broken]
Just a suggestion to think about. I wish I could be at your web presentation today because this is something I would have asked about. I am not trying to cause trouble for you but trying to point out where trouble can occur so you can take measures to correct it before it does.
So dont get me wrong, I am really happy that you guys have worked so hard to come up with alternatives for the ladies in this blackout situation. I know we pushed for it, I just dont want AD to run into trouble or for people to lose confidence in the products here over misbranding. Dont mistake what I am saying as being me just being helpful either LOL. Its purely selfish. If problems occurs with the returning customers complaining about the change in products without proper disclosure it can effect the store adversely and if your not here I cant get my stash. I do understand that its announced in the forum but the forum is not proper disclosure according the the FDA. Every consumer doesnt visit the forum.
Tisha
Wow Tisha, that seems kind of threatening at an uncalled for level. 
I hope you are just trying to explain your point of view and the post wasn’t meant at the tone it was written.
We print version and batch numbers on the bottles. We don’t have to disclose to the FDA anything because we use a perfume additive, nothing that is FDA jurisdiction. lol
You can’t compare an orally consumable product like Coca-Cola with a cologne.
Anyway, I can assure you there’s nothing up our sleeves. We updated the product, released it with a NEW VERSION NUMBER, printed on the bottle and I made a public announcement about it. We have nothing to hide. lol
No idea where all of that came from Tisha but sorry you feel offended that we put out a product for you ladies. This is not making feel real comfortable and releasing new versions of any other womens product we want, I feel like it went HIGHLY unappreciated. I wish we made you happy instead of insulted you somehow and I apologize if we did?
EDIT: Also btw, as far as ‘customers complaining’ - Most people were psyched to see us do a restock. I dont know why there’s a need and demand for womens products but then when we release an approved version of something - there’s this complaining. Again, it doesn’t make us feel confident about releasing anything else.
How so John ? at no time did I threaten you Jasmin or this company so please dont try to turn it into something its not. Jasmin knows me well enough to know when I disagree with something I dont sneak around trying to “attack” people or companies. I state right here out in the open my opinion and to imply that I would try to harm this company or her in anyway is simply an untruth designed to question my integrity and reputation as well as avoid everything I was talking about.
Yes I took NLP as well. I know how to use words to influence in fact I am a Master.
I am simply pointing out a potential problem and something that causes confusion to the members here and suggesting a way to improve on that.
Truth in labeling of all cosmetic products does fall under FDA jurisdiction and as its been pointed out by Michael and Jasmin these are classified as cosmetic. Just like you had to change the scent of AMMO because of the banning of certain EO’s in cosmetic perfumes to comply with FDA standards its reasonable to believe you have to comply to the labeling standards as well. My suggestion was to simply make it more clear for the consumer.
I suggest you read again what I wrote and do it with a happy face. If you dont know what that means call Jasmin and ask her and she will explain it. You are reading things into what I stated that are not even there. No where did I threaten you or claim to be unhappy. No where do I say I felt insulted. I explained my stance and made suggestions.
Tisha
This is getting off topic, however when you publicly begin to tell us that we are in violation of FDA rules because you didn’t like the fact that we made a new version - that’s seen as intimidation. As far all of the references to Jasmin knows you, whoever was responsible for everything that happened - we aren’t sure about anybody right now, sadly and I can assure you that we take things very seriously now.
My prime directives are to run this operation the best I can while keeping the research alive - but when you start pointing out how our release was wrong in some way instead of being thankful, it isn’t giving us confidence. While I appreciate your honesty, you seem to counter post quite often rather than be supportive. It makes me honestly want to avoid this section and I see why Jasmin feels like she can’t post here anymore. It’s very aggressive and I can see why they felt like it’s all connected (not to you - but to posting on the forum).
Please understand that you are one of my favorite clients and forum members, however when you seem to jump on my every post that’s no way to start a dialogue. Jasmin and I do everything we can to run this company honestly and as close friends we both share the same values.
If I could release MX135 right this second I feel like it’d still be met with complaints or then I’d get a deluge of well then what about these 100 others or why isn’t there a new product.
Then we would still be repeating the experiment over and over. If I make a variant (like isexi) then you’d throw the FDA at me again or something lol
Tisha, in one sentence how do I make you happy?
Hi John and Tisha,
Interesting feedback from both of you… As a new kid off the block I have felt the power of pheromones and how it’s really changed my relationship in a positive way.
Firstly if I put my consumer hat I have to agree with Tisha as we say in the IT industry “it does what it says on the tin” and if it doesn’t consumers won’t repeat buy.
If I put my Business hat on, if a product has to change then so be it. However… tell the customer how it’s change… alleviate their fears
Lol
Hi Tisha,
I am also a NLP Master Practioner about to do my Trainer’s training so know where you are coming from…
I agree with you if we were selling a product as a retail store like Sephora. However, we make it clear on the website that we are a research company. We reveal what is required of us which is the content of the bottle. I don’t see why it matters if we give you a precise formula because we’ve never given one before except in some rare occurrences.
I never have seen any company tell you what “natural flavors” means and the specifics of those natural ingredients. We say “human musks”.
As for a change on the formula, I was given a version number and told that we updated it.
I really wish people would relax and enjoy since they keep saying we need to restock or release new products, but then we get complaints anyway. So my question is - in one sentence how can I make the complainers happy? If its to release the old version its not happening - Jasmin wants the new one out and thats what came out. I am following her instructions and I agree with her.
Also this has gotten WAYYY off topic lol
So as such, we may as well just go with it:
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Hi John,
Okay… I will be attending the pheromone party this evening excited about all the things i’m going learn!
I’m excited to learn too because I’ve never used ustream before and I know that you all are going to teach me some cool stuff, too! I’ll probably open the stream in an hour or a little more just to ‘bs’ and test out the system before we get to business.
Please show me where I mention your in violation with the FDA. Again I pointed out a potential problem and something that has bothered many long time users here and suggested a easy low cost way to avoid the problem and confusion. My adding the link was just to point out how a problem could arise not to say I intend to report you to the FDA.
The situation with Jasmin comes up every single time anybody brings up something that not in the companies line of thinking or something we would like to see changed or improved. Instead of seeing it as constructive criticism and suggestions its seen as a attack on Jasmin. I love Jasmin and I dont want to see her, her company or her family hurt in anyway but people need to stop implying every disagreement suggestion or disappointment is a attack. That’s really needs to stop because it alienates people more the it brings them together.
In my post I have made it clear I understand your main directive. I am sorry but I am not a follower, I am alpha and nature and tend to lead. So are you saying that if a person dosent just sit quiet and be thankful that they are not supportive ? I would much rather have people tell me there opinion and share there thoughts and concerns openly and honestly even if they oppose my own thoughts then just sit and be passive. Pointing something out and making suggestions to make it more clear to the customers is not being unsupportive.
I am a aggressive person but I have never been hurtful or accusatory. If I dont agree or see something thats potentially a problem I make a suggestion to improve it. Most companies I deal with dont come off seeing it as a threat but as feedback.
I dont jump on your every post. You mentioned something in post number 4 about the restocking of Instant sexiness which in part lead the discussion away from MX135. I didnt even mention MX135 in my last few posts. I do agree the topic has evolved but its still relative to post 4.
I stated in my responses that I was not talking about anything in the advanced testing section of the store. I am talking strictly about the named consumer products and trying to have them presented in a more clear way to avoid confusion and so that people who dont frequent the forum are aware its not the same as the product they may have purchased last year.
Simply by hearing what I am saying instead of just reading what I wrote and making assumptions about my motives and intentions.
Sorry I never played follow the leader well. I am going to tell you exactly what I tell everyone. If you dont like the way see something look at it a different way. Instead of seeing it as a complaint see it as a opportunity to explore new ideals and improvements. Even if they end up being not viable at this time it doesn’t hurt to explore hear what I person is saying and consider it.
Before you say it I did post in my response in post 9 that I am happy for the new release and the alternatives being offered, I just had a suggestion to add along with it.
I have always taken into consideration the things you say here on the forum. I may not always agree or I may have different suggestion but I never demanded you do them or accuse you of anything. I simply asked you hear them out and consider them.
Tisha
I hear you Tisha and understand what you intended to say as well as your intentions here. Like I said, you’re still one of my favorite clients and I enjoy our discussions. It just gets weird when you start talking about violating laws, etc. I was told to look out for that sort of thing.
You’re a great tester and this womens section wouldn’t be heading in the right direction if it weren’t for you. Every point needs its counter point and I wasn’t saying to play follow the leader, I just really perceived that you seem to be very critical and aggressive with your point of view which is not well received as feedback.
We are making a list of MXs you all ask for but we have a lot of projects and with everything thats been going on with the supplies its been hard to sort which we can and can not do.
I suppose for me to expect a thank you without some criticism was wrong, I just thought we were doing the right thing by bringing isexi into stock. I’ll keep your feedback about it in mind when we are looking into restocks. Its appreciated, but what would be appreciated even more is if it comes from a less negative place.