which pheromones are estrogen derived?

[abqbelly]

i know most popular products are dirivitives of testosterone breakdown… i have had pretty good luck with instant sexiness a and b and taa , but when i added EST to the mix (which, as i understand it, is an estrogen one), it was like… WOWOWOWOWOW
so i was wondering what other pheromones are from estrogen and what kind of reactions are they known to elicit… anyone???

[tisha23]

Here its hard to say because they use the putative codes and dont reveal what they are for testing purposes.

Now some of the members found some clues so P78 and P80 both may be estrogen based. Most reports on P80 indicate a masculine feel but it could be just this particular ones nature. I am thinking this one may be Estrone but this is just a guess.

If your looking for chemical names then

Estrone
Estradiol
Estriol

Are the three main estrogens the body makes.

Estratetraenol which is the one you using is a derivative of Estradiol

Tisha

[Olfact_Amorous]

Its all so much to take in when all these putatives they sell are complete entities or nuances in themselves. I wonder if their enough derivatives of types of pheromones to basically make a element chart. Now i realize mones can’t be seen in the same light as elements but just the wide variance and the fact that some are truly synthetic and some are more of actual substances produced in the body is more than intriguing.

[Xiphoid]

@Olfact_Amorous

Its all so much to take in when all these putatives they sell are complete entities or nuances in themselves. I wonder if their enough derivatives of types of pheromones to basically make a element chart. Now i realize mones can’t be seen in the same light as elements but just the wide variance and the fact that some are truly synthetic and some are more of actual substances produced in the body is more than intriguing.

There are loads of charts of phero synthesis & metabolism

Just 1 question though… Why do you think that some phero’s are “truly synthetic”? All human phero’s are natural & endogenous (ie made in & by your body)…

[Olfact_Amorous]

Now I’m not attempting to claim that I know anything scientifically substantial about pheromones it’s just that I feel that a lot of the pheromones and purported substances we use are by products of a main line of hormones that occur within the body. Now while in general we could say that all of them occur in the human body certain things such as MEO-EST occuring in that exact state in the body seems preposterous to me. The way science goes and this is purely conjecture but its probable that we can alter and tweak any amount of substances from the body in order to gauge responses more geared to the practical nature in which we use pheros for. In the very least these compounds are “derived” from the occurences in the body but not to say were actually spraying straight of testosterone and estrogen on ourselves. I get this notion from the idea that things such as psych medication can make the body think and feel that the actual aspects are all in order so that the tasks needed to be done will take place.
Now I realize medication is very very different from mones but as the humans continue to find ways to master their own fate we end up trying to get closer and closer to equivalency of god to much avail but with no comparison to the divine. When I say synthetic it’s also on the premise that were not literally collecting mones from humans themselves for every little product thats being sold to the consumer and that it is being produced artificially through labs. When I think about mones I think about the idea of insulin. Back in the day our parents used and took pig/ other animal insulin in order to supplement their own. Nowadays obviously we found a way to completely duplicate human insuling in order for the general public to use it.

I may be wrong but I’m not here to argue I’m just trying to get my views across on the manner either way.

[Xiphoid]

@Olfact_Amorous

I feel that a lot of the pheromones and purported substances we use are by products of a main line of hormones that occur within the body.

Well yes of course they are. Phero’s are metabolites of hormones (androgens) & neurosteroids

Now while in general we could say that all of them occur in the human body certain things such as MEO-EST occuring in that exact state in the body seems preposterous to me.

Why is that preposterous? It’s an estrogen derivative

In the very least these compounds are “derived” from the occurences in the body but not to say were actually spraying straight of testosterone and estrogen on ourselves. I get this notion from the idea that things such as psych medication can make the body think and feel that the actual aspects are all in order so that the tasks needed to be done will take place.

No spraying pure Testosterone or Estrogen would be a bad idea
I’m not sure I get your link to “psych meds” though? There’s a vast range of CNS acting medications but none do what you used as an example… They correct imbalances they don’t “trick” the body to think or feel differently.

I may be wrong but I’m not here to argue I’m just trying to get my views across on the manner either way.

I know you aren’t trying to argue, (neither am I by the way), I just find your views interesting I also quite like scientific discussion

[Olfact_Amorous]

Okay lets see. How do you differentiate this list?

Estratraenol
Methoxyestratraenone
TAH
TAL

Seeing as you’ve definitely been around the block a couple times on here I wanna know how that breaks down and thats why i find it preposterous since it almost seems like i would get a preconception that they are all from estrogen. I guess theres many different strains of estrogens but I always saw them as one entity not a branch of similar brothers and sisters

My comparison is very general I’ll admit. Like to say we create computers because they give us a artificial intelligence in which to solve problems or computations that arise. Obviously pheromones aren’t absolute yet I see it as us artificially enhancing/provoking attraction in any amount of ways whether metaphysical/ mental. While I love mones and how they’ve changed my life we in at least one perception use them to compensate for what we don’t have or simply not enough of. Psych meds or any amount of meds I usually construe in the same manner as you are making up for the lack of something. Okay yes they somehow patch the CNS its just the fact that at the end of the day computers wont make us smarter, pheromones won’t make us better people or more attractive, and medications will never suffice in curing anything (with the exception of certain diseases and sicknesses).
Maybe I’m caught up in my own little world =). I guess I feel that the world hides behind many makes some chosen and some necessary in this life me live. I’m not saying to give up any of those luxuries or any others I’m saying that I want people to be above all that and truly find and embrace who they are.

It’s alright if you think I’m weird lots of women think I am =P
If only I could hear your english accent I really do miss being over there sometimes.

[Warren]

@tisha23

Now some of the members found some clues so P78 and P80 both may be estrogen based. Most reports on P80 indicate a masculine feel but…

Estratetraenol which is the one you using is a derivative of Estradiol

These are interesting observations. Some months ago when I was playing with both P80 and Estratetraenol, I was surprised that they both gave me a kind of energy rush that had a very similar quality.

I, too, have always considered P80 to be masculine… I read that several places before (and since) I began testing it. That is part of why I’ve made that assumption, but it does have fairly aggressive feeling. Perhaps, if you compare P80 with the more active aggression of P79, you could find a feminine nature in that contrast. P80 has been called Instant Dominatrix.

Then, again, estrogen is among the breakdown products of testosterone, so it is not always that straightforward…

[Xiphoid]

@Olfact_Amorous

Okay lets see. How do you differentiate this list?

Estratraenol
Methoxyestratraenone
TAH
TAL

Seeing as you’ve definitely been around the block a couple times on here I wanna know how that breaks down and thats why i find it preposterous since it almost seems like i would get a preconception that they are all from estrogen. I guess theres many different strains of estrogens but I always saw them as one entity not a branch of similar brothers and sisters

Estrogen comes in many forms & has numerous derivatives & metabolites…

I can’t tell you what TAH & TAL are or how where they fit in the biosynthesis pathway as there are no pheromones that are called TAH & TAL… Those are “code names” that Androtics have given the molecules to get better semi-blind testing data from forum users.

Here’s a link to a thread where JVKohl & I chatted about the biosynthesis of some of the pheromones There’s loads of pictures & diagrams in it.

question: pheromone biosynthesis pathways

Warning: Newbie questions here. I’m wondering if there is available a diagram that maps out how the body synthesizes various pheromones. Specifically, something that shows things like “testosterone breaks down in the body into this, and this is excreted onto the skin, where this bacteria changes it into this”, etc… I’m interested in this for two reasons. First, it might give clues as to why certain pheromones have certain effects. For example, a pheromone that is produced by a process that …

[tisha23]

These are interesting observations. Some months ago when I was playing with both P80 and Estratetraenol , I was surprised that they both gave me a kind of energy rush that had a very similar quality.

I, too, have always considered P80 to be masculine… I read that several places before (and since) I began testing it. That is part of why I’ve made that assumption, but it does have fairly aggressive feeling. Perhaps, if you compare P80 with the more active aggression of P79 , you could find a feminine nature in that contrast. P80 has been called Instant Dominatrix.

Then, again, estrogen is among the breakdown products of testosterone, so it is not always that straightforward…

Actually its not something I observed using them. Its from a few clues that Jasmin left on the forum and when talking to the ladies. I always felt P80 was very masculine myself and would never guess its was estrogen based. Then Di pointed our something Jasmin said a while back to countesszero…

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However, I don’t think I’d recommend Safari just yet. I’d rather see you diving into the estrogen-based putatives. Give P78 and P80 a whirl. We’re adding a few more putatives by next week, too, and a bunch of them are estrogen-based. Don’t worry, I’ll keep you posted.

I also found mention of P79 and a few of the lower 80’s numbers that would lead you to believe they may be estrogen based. She had mentioned a few more putatives were coming out next week in the above post and a bunch where estrogen based. That week P81 through P86 came out.

Tisha