A young lady I deal with (early twenties) who usually gives me plenty of attention and talk is not responding to my mones anymore.. I have a feeling either she is intimidated now or is rather too used to me and has nothing to say during the brief time she sees me and my SO weekly.
She’s always been rather professional unless I talk first.. i have noticed that pattern with her. Once I talk she used to talk quite a bit.. but lately she’s being too business like.. Could be university exam crunch time with her or could be that she’s just feeling awkward around me.. We have never dated.
I have been wearing the following combo to the restaurant lately and I wonder if that is intimidating her:
IS (3 sprays single strength), AMMO (2 sprays reg), SOE (2 swipes ear to ear), p75 2.5 mcg
Last time i wore it for a second when I was seated down and she passed by my table we made eye contact.. just too bad I was really tired that day and didn’t even have the energy or good mood to smile. I was rather tense and I’m not sure how much this mix above contributed to that tension. I’ve stated in a few posts it makes me tense unlike IS AMMO.
The few times I was successful with her in the past I was wearing summer ammo and p75 but still had to lead.
Now when I lead I get a standoffish response and then business talk like for example " how is school… her: it is busy… So tonights special at the restaurant is…"
I’m running out of things to say to her.. Any ideas how to start attraction again.. She did give me her number at one point weeks ago when i asked but when I called and texted her she flaked on me.
Sure she may not see me as someone she wants to date but she’s getting too business like lately. I want her to at least drop her guard so she can relax around me.
First thing I would do is throw in some P74@30mcg if you have any or even in this case P83@15-30mcg. If this doesn’t work which it should help, then up the Ammo dosage and see how that goes, again if it does work drop it to 1 spray instead of 2. Just keep altering the mix taking stuff out adding stuff in ect until you get a better response. I would do the P74 first and if you decide on P83 throw that in too, then start tweaking from there.
Who knows she could be attracted and knows you have a SO or thinks you do and isn’t comfortable or now that she is attracted isnt sure how to act.
Never used GLACE or SOE but yea 10mcg of P74 would still probably help her open up a little bit more and maybe relax her a bit.
If she gave you her number she obviously is attracted to you in some way or she would have just said no. As far as Ammo goes I wasn’t really worried about you ODing on it I was just saying maybe she does like you but you are coming off too sexual or like you just want to have sex with her. So go ahead and keep the Ammo but I would also try Ghosts P75 and P74 mix for rapport building and try to reestablish some of that rapport with her if just adding P74@10mcg doesn’t work.
I’ve tried ghosts p74 p75 mix with dismall results.. the p74 p75 doesn’t agree with me at all.. I find even p74 doesn’t agree with me unless it worn in a mix.. by itself it causes all kinds or problems.
I’ll try this mix, if it doesn’t work, I’ll try backing off the ammo down to 1 spray but with all the socials in there I have a hard time believing ammo is causing trouble.
Today I’ve just sprays on the mix above with glace. I’m wondering if I should toss some p83 in there too? maybe 5 to 10 mcg?
I would as it will help for her to act more on how she feels, not attack you by any means but let her guard down a little.
It could have little to do with the mones too, maybe she found a guy that she is talking to but is still attracted to you but doesn’t want to be because she likes this other guy so she is showing it by not talking to you as much.
I would watch for IOI’s. Pupil dilation, acting nervous around you, etc im sure you have read the post so just look out for all those as most of them are unconscious responses.
I am actually going out now with P75@2.5mcg, SE Ammo 1 spray, and P74@30mcg just to give the mix a test run in the mall and then the gym. Not the best places to test but its all I can do atm.
She and I were friends, so now you say maybe she found a boyfriend and chooses to completely have no contact (even acquantaince) with me?
Just because a woman has a boyfriend doesn’t mean they stop acting politely to others in their social circle, unless her boyfriend isa a possessive jerk who refuses to let her speak to others. She is, after all, in the service field (hostess at restaurant).
She has never once brought up the boyfriend excuse with me in the week/months i’ve known her.. if she REALLy wanted to get rid of me she’d do that as that is the easiest way out.
I personally think it may be the mix, time of year (exams at university), and winter season effecting everyones results with mones.
She made a decision to flake on you. That means she’s anxious about how you react to that decision.
You can’t expect her to treat you exactly the way she did beforehand.
Those two goals are opposites. If there sexual pressure between you she won’t be completely relaxed.
If you want to have her be attracted to you, it’s helpful if you don’t seek her approval. Instead of asking her a question you could tease her for something she’s doing and otherwise simply act high status.
Lots of things could be going on that have absolutely nothing to do with you. Its not like she is being unfriendly, she is just not opening up.
Maybe she has something on her mind that has nothing to do with you.
Maybe her boss told her she talks to much.
Maybe she has PMS LOL
Could be a million things. I am sure there are times when you just don’t feel like talking. Well other people have those moments to.
Maybe she is seeing someone. That doesn’t mean she is not your friend. However when a person becomes involved with someone that person tends to hold their attention and thoughts especially in the beginning. Its not that she doesn’t find you attractive anymore, women can be involved with someone and still find others attractive we just tend to act on or show that attraction less when we are involved with someone else.
I suck at teasing negging etc doesn’t come naturally though I’ve practiced it for years and women can sense I’m faken it from a mile away.
I naturally better at creating a status vibe.. Just bought a new car yesterday for 25k and also have my career going pretty good now making good income. Certainly not high status like a vip or a manager but high status enough for most women in this economy.
Now I naturally am good at IS, AMMO, A314.. problem is it only attracts older people into my circle.. younger women (20-25) like this girl who I want to make peace with don’t seem to respond to a314 vibe very easily.
Question is AD has gone with socials lately in terms of marketing, I’m wondering why? Is it because of the season (winter)? , economy, or because people are not getting sexual as quickly? What is the reason?
I was wondering if IS, IO, and IG would work better on this woman? She is white I hear IG works mostly on asians and younger women. She is not asian.
MY SO says a314 IS AMMO wakes me up, kinda makes me alert and then when I’m alert others feel like talking to me. Problem is a314 has this side effect which increases my anger.. Not violent type anger but a need to prove to myself I can meet my goals o.w. I feel I’m not pushing myself hard enough.. Many others have experienced this same effect.
Question it says IG makes the young feel older and the older younger.. Would it make a 40+ man feel like 25 again when combined with shine?
I notice with IG I am quick to be polite , hold doors open for strangers without hardly thinking, and I am told I smell fantastic (from the akuto I bet).
It doesn’t get me looks though.. Women don’t seem to look around and check me out , but with ammo they do.
There are plenty of combos and some people naturally can tease a lot better. I happen to naturally be really good at it and girls do respond and trust me status isn’t everything! Having a cool and expensive car doesn’t make a lasting relationship what so ever, like with mine girls love my car and all want rides to drive it etc but after that wears off they have to have a deeper attraction than status or it doesn’t last so don’t really worry about that so much, it’s more for one night stands and clubs not relationships IMO, friends, girlfriend or whatever.
Now we can all give you tips on mixes etc but that doesn’t mean it’s going to work for you either as everyone is slightly different and without actually being there and seeing how she is acting it’s really hard for anyone to give you solid advice on how to deal with this. Just feel it out try out some different mixes and see what works for you but I wouldn’t let it bug you at all especially if you have an SO.
You can always try a 50/50 ratio of IO and IH for a CTTM mix, I believe thats the ratio
You do have to make a decision about what you want. Do you want to be seen by her as someone who’s in her friend zone?
If that’s the case, act congruent with that intention. If that isn’t the case don’t act like it would be your goal.
Making money doesn’t mean that you communicate a high status vibe.
If you make good money and all the time seek for approval you are still projecting a low status vibe.
Is the stuff that you are doing insteadly working for you? I get the impression that it isn’t.
Trying to fuck a waitress at a restaurant that you frequent with your SO is a pretty hard task. Sure pheromones help, but pheromones are not everything.
You would probably profit from going to a nightclub and cold approaching woman there or learning to cold approach during the day.
Yes, I know that’s out of your comfort zone at the beginning. At the beginning it will feel really bad. Learning new tricks is hard.
As long as you however don’t learn how to project power through stuff like not seeking approval or teasing I don’t think you will get the result you are searching for.
As an older man, getting a younger woman sexually interested in yourself just isn’t doable by acting in a way where the woman puts you into her friend zone.
I think I’m going to forget about her as she’s already flaked on me, is too young, and is always busy..
I have decided I’d have better luck cold approaching women in the malls or clubs when I hang out with guy friends.
This requires me going beyond my comfort zone.. When I was younger in my 20’s I got laid a lot but never cold approached.. I either had woman approach me asking me for a date (and for sex as I was built like an amateur bodybuilder then), or I approach women who were in my social circle of school , work etc. I would also wear tons of npa back then and I had older women getting wet at work. I was just dtf back then and didn’t care if women were older etc but now I do.. I don’t mind older women.. they just don’t motivate me as much…
But agreed, friend zone is a zone where the physcial doesn’t take place, unless you can escalate out of it…
I made it clear to her I wanted to be more than friends.. i called her, and ask her to call me. Then she didn’t .. So I texted her “What playing hard to get already”.. and she texted me back a long message saying she shouldn’t of given her # out as it is not allowed in her restaurant to customers and that she’d rather keep things professional and appropriate there. I kinda figured she completely flaked on me as she gives me her number then punishes me for calling.
My mistake was I replied back telling her I understood instead of getting upset with her and making it clear I didn’t like her behavior for flaking. I would of been better off just ignoring her even if nothing else after she made that statement.. but damn LOVE SYSTEMS PUA package I bought told me otherwise… I should of never read the love systems package and instead just been myself…
The real me would of just gotten upset or ignored her for that behavior. the fake me who used love systems to respond ended up getting nowhere, no responses back from her and her treating me even more like a stranger.
The more I pursue her the more she doesn’t care, so I’ve learned to say fuck it to her and go after other women. This time NOT using PUA material and approaches but just meeting up with strangers, giving them a compliment and asking them to talk over coffee or a small snack at the mall i’m in, at which point I get their numbers. the diff is I’m not going for a number without a mini date first. This works better at solidifying the connection so they don’t flake later. Also no big feelings are invested if they don’t want me later.. With the hostess girl I liked her for several months but couldn’t show it.. I just hate that behavior and really blame myself for it. then again too many other variables were at work (coming with SO, 20 year diff in age, busy schedules etc)
I’m wondering what mone signature would be appropriate at the mall for hookups to create that warm fuzzy feeling with attractive women, be sexy enough to show your more than a friend and also not piss off security in the mall for pickingup there?
Just keep in mind, at the beginning approaching woman alone is a success for you, even if they won’t give you your number. Don’t let initial hurdlers demotivate you.
