Younger = Less; Older = More; and it just hit me...

Accurate or not … that just seems to make sense + the exception rule! :wink:

:confused: Where do you get these figures??

As long as they didn’t get a tooth ache, malaria, pneumonia or any number of (then) deadly diseases. A 50 year old stone age person was a miracle.

Does the calculator also consider the males age build and race ? This is what determines how much product they wear as well as the statistics of the females that the person is targeting. So for some males and females 20 to 23, 5.0 mcg’s could be to much or not enough depending on their other characteristics. You really dont need a calculator to figure out a persons dosage. I think most experienced users who coach new users as I do can pretty much ask the persons characteristics and the age ranges and tell them off the top of there head the range to start in. They still have to test to find whats right for them though. I do think your high in dosages starting in the mid 20’s but again it depends on the guy wearing it.

With the age ranges your talking about in the above list. Do the ages indicate the age of male wearing the molecule or the female responding to it? I cant agree its accurate either way because to many other things factor in.

Take 24 to 27 at 10mcg’s for instance. Depending on the male wearing that amount. His build, diet, fitness level, natural chemistry and race that could be to much. Those factors are going to also effect the age range a women will respond to that dosage. If we go on the premise that we have always gone by in here… that Pheromones enhance what is already there then you can not give a accurate range. The user has to test and find what works in attracting that age range for himself.

I would like to say Pheromones are a one size fits all kind of product but they are not. People would be more successful right out of the gate if they were but we are all chemically different. So giving people a calculated set of numbers without taking into consideration who they are and their natural charateristics could hinder their progress especially if they are new to pheromones and they are skeptical to begin with.

Tisha

Not quite as long - Dental health was a major factor causing death for old people in Native society.

Our improvements in dental health mean that on average we live older than someone who managed to get past the infant mortality and dangerous living parts of their life.

I love your mind, Tisha. These are the reasons I said “rough estimate”. Actually, the calculator takes into account all those factors and many more, and the above list was not the result of my calculations. It’s a sort of trend I have noticed while calculating out specific women’s responses. Kind of like trying to plot a curve on a graph of stock market activity. In fact yesterday I had a woman who calculated out to peak response from 17.5 mcg androstenone and she is 21.

Again… rough estimate… not calculated. You are absolutely right, every situation is unique, and that is why I get so much success through the use of my calculator. I can tailor each encounter to all the variables present, on a case by case basis, to get exactly the effect I desire. It even changes from encounter to encounter, if I care to be that specific.

For sure - I’ve noticed that I can tend to get away with pretty significant quantities of none without seeing negative effects around girls of practically any age.

Dental health only became a problem 10,000 years ago, after the invention of agriculture. Sugar (starches and other complex carbohydrates) really does rot your teeth :smiley:

What about dinosaur bones? I’m sure we lost a few cavemen teeth when they accidentally bit down too hard. LOL.

Pre-agricultural civilizations ate foods which contained high levels of natural sugars (They ate ALOT of fruit)

Dental problems have been around since the dawn of man

Good point. I can’t believe how many people go around saying people tended to die at an early age. Lots of people died before having the chance to reproduce. If you survived to reach your teens, you could expect to live well into middle age. (Check here: Life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Upper Paleontolithic: At age 15: 39 (to age 54)

Girls started menstruating much later than today. Even two centuries ago, they started at about 16. Most girls start ovulating some years after they start menstruating and the regular 28 day cycles that show peak fertility usually start at age 18-20, then there is a slight drop in the late twenties, another drop at 35 and a big ole drop at 45 when ovulation stops.

There is really a lot yet to discover about hormones and fertility. This really varies highly across women depending on health levels, the more optimal your health and thus your hormone levels, the more smooth and regular your cycles, the better the waist to hip ratio.
Alot of women never reach peak fertility because of poor health and just stay in the teenage subprime stage until the premenopause subprime with irregular periods, long or short cycles, painful periods and pms. Other women have perfect 28 day cycles from age 17 to 39 without much complications. It is not ‘fair’ in that everyone gets 7 years of fame or whatnot. An older woman has a higher risk of miscarrying but if she iss ovulating more often than a younger but less healthy woman, she will still bear more healthy children. Men, as they get older, produce a similar amount of pregnancies , but the offspring is less healthy. The increasing amount of mistakes in genetic copies raises the risk of childres with diseases.

Here is an article that describes the effects of fertility of men and women in layman’s terms Understanding Genetics: Human Health and the Genome

Now if two people are not mating for life or are having extramarital sex it makes sense for women at the tail end of their fertile years to seek out the younger, more healthy men. Say there is a stone age woman of 37. She can give birth maybe two more times, so why not make sure both births produce very healthy babies? She has some grown children and a solid support network, so she need not pick a man for his resources. If she gave birth to an unhealthy kid, it would be exposed and she would have no baby. So that would be something to avoid. 22 years earlier, she would have very few resources, but lots of fertile years ahead of her,. It makes more sense to get with an older man with lots of resources for a couple of years. Even if she has to expose one of the children with him, the other one benefits from the resources. During the time she has few ovulations, but is menstruating, she was not going to give birth to any man any way, and she can enjoy the extra resources for herself and become extra healthy for later pregnancies too. In mider climates, extra resources may not have been so important to the survival of babies, so sperm quality may have taken up a bigger role in the decision making process for the cavewoman.

Pherowise, keep in mind that none is only attractive during ovulation, so if a girl is not ovulating yet or a woman has stopped ovulating, she ought to be less attracted by none. Though she may still like the nonish guy for other reasons.

Maybe thats in the calculator to. :smiley:

Plus you were very likely not to need your teeth past the age of 30 due to famine, tribal warfare and death by wooly mammoth…

Any new updates/thoughts on this?

If not … bumparoomos … just for gp. :roll_eyes:

From what I’ve been reading here. Speaking in general terms, a caucasian male in mid 20’s with average build and physical activity, assuming an inverse relationship with erone and anone, targeting a 23 year old caucasian female, would use in the approximate range, 5 mcg anone, and ~17.5 mcg of arone (for theory sake) in making a mix for that. The only factors to fine tune is race, age, fitness? I’m trying to go into the experimone products and I want to get a general idea to get a solid foundation to test theories on.

Would (in theory) be representative of how the basic functions of pheromones work?

wow.. this might be one of the most confusing things I’ve read since starting out here lol

which part?

let me see if I get what your saying, so I am 20. and I do have an average< build. so if I wanted to get a girl, I’d need to wear 5 mcg of none.. so say 2 shots of ammo and 18 mcgs of erone… so say 1 shot of IG right?.. why?? and what about all the other aspects of attraction like the social pheros? or am I miss reading this all together and your more refering to not ODing and scaring a girl off?

From what I gather this is JUST about how much none is right for certain age groups. I don’t think they factor in socials as buffers, that complicates it a bit.

That would be an interesting chart, though. Say you have 15mcg of IJ on. which puts your target range in the late 30’s, maybe each spray of a social like IO or Shine pulls the age back one bracket. Seems to make sense since mx301 has a lot of socials in it and even though it’s as strong as heavy ammo in terms of none, it seems that spray for spray it attracts younger females than ammo does from my experience.

Catlord also had a post about Sexual Pressure in which there is a buildup of the -none is given in “time released” doses to achieve a max dose and have an instant effect on the target. I might go and pick up some erone and try it out with specific targets and see how that works.

For younger girls (which, being 16, are all I go for) there are a few factors I usually consider when thinking of how much none:
Are they sexually confident? By which I mean, there are some girls terrified of talking about sex, but other girls are comfortable with what they do. More confident=more none (to an extent). I suppose if you were to go for a slut they would probably want even more-er none, but I don’t know what you would.
Race- Asian=less, white=medium, black/latina=more
Or, what race do they usually get with? Black men tend to produce more androstenone. Even a white girl that usually gets with black men will like more androstenone, or a black girl that usually gets with asian men will produce less. Obviously not all girls get with one specific race but you can sometimes distinguish a pattern if you know them well.