Your Feedback on FF20 - FF21 & FF22

[SteveO]

Please only vote if you have got them and after thoroughly testing them. I’d appreciate if you posted your feedback here in one thread as well. It’s easier to harvest the info that way too .

I can completely understand if you want to post privately in the journals, but at least post a link here so your valued feedback does not get lost.

Those who have purchased the Ammo 30 Ml with FF21 your feedback is welcome here as well.

Thanks for everyone’s love on this

[SteveO]

From MikeMan22’s Journal: MikeMan22's Journal - #45 by MikeMan22

[SteveO]

Snoopyace Post: FF20 first impressions off a business card: amber, black pepper, woodsy or nutty

@Snoopyace

I felt like a kid at Christmas this morning when I got to the office and Santa got my letter! I had my alpha androstenol but there was also another little green bubble wrapped parcel with it. Could it be? YAY! (Imagine a 270# guy jumping around like a little kid).

I grabbed three business cards and sprayed the backs with each. Wow. Very different from what I expected- not sure what I expected exactly. This is just my impressions off the cards.

FF20- Reminds me of a cologne that I wore in high school (can’t remember which one) seems to have some amber and maybe a bit of black pepper to it. Woodsy or nutty scent. I like it. I agree with (I think it was nbully) who said that this would be difficult to cover. Like Akuto, I wouldn’t be too concerned abut covering this.

FF21- This one reminded me a lot of Green Irish Tweed. 'Nuff said. (Actually, I thought it smelled so much like GIT that I sprayed some GIT onto a card for a side by side comparison. FF21 smelled a LOT like it, just a bit more soapy on the drydown.) Personally, I really liked this one.

FF22- By far the safest as far as mass appeal. I really don’t think this could offend or inspire anyone but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Somewhat of a more floral note but not too girly in my opinion. I look forward to seeing how this plays when I am actually wearing it. I think this would be VERY easy to cover.

Okay, so starting in line with the lowest number first I sprayed on FF20 to test today, FF21 tomorrow, etc. (one spray to my neck and one split between the wrists). STRONG on initial application. After about 20 minutes though, it was quite nice. Very masculine. I felt like the Malboro man. (Not like a cowboy but just like I belonged in the era those commercials came from.)

Armed with my three cards I set out on my mission to ask what people in the complex thought (I specifically asked them two questions that were gender based). I literally asked about 25 people (I love being my own boss! Gives me the opportunity to do dumb stuff like this and…) because this made a fascinating social experiment for me. I didn’t put the cards in any particular order, I just let them randomly smell each scent. I had numbered them with the FF#'s so I knew the difference.

For men I asked which they liked the most and which one they’d be most likely to wear. For women I asked which they liked the most and which they would buy for their man to wear.

I was actually amazed at how it was split by age (even more than race- age seemed a very determining factor- so actually I did ask for age because I figured out very quickly that age made a big difference in which one a person liked more). To a person, everyone 40 and up, LOVED FF20. I had 3 women ask what it was so they could buy it for their spouses. Sorry ladies, it is just a test product. In this demographic everyone also liked FF22 but not as much as FF20. I heard a lot of, 'I’m not a big fan of the citrus type scents (regarding FF21). Actually, I also heard from a couple of women how FF21 reminded them of something their teenage sons wore (one of the brands of body sprays apparently smells similar).

People between 35-40 seemed split between FF21 and FF20). I heard a lot of complements from guys about FF20 but they thought it might be too ‘old’ for them to wear. The women liked FF21 a bit more because they liked that it was a ‘clean’ scent and would like to see their guys wearing that.

Now under 30 in particular seemed to like FF21 (I keep trying to put MX instead of FF ). All seemed to agree that it was a nice, clean scent. A couple of the younger women I talked to thought that FF20 reminded them of their father or grandfather (in a good way- like a childhood memory that makes them think of the person wearing it as strong, masculine and dependable).

I found it very interesting how overall, FF22 garnered the least attention of the 3. I can’t wait till I start wearing this one just to see if it gets any more interest from people.

After I’d finished playing with the different scents I’d gone to see the friend who I saw yesterday while testing MX337+MX114 and I was AMAZED at the difference. She was back to normal. Friendly but not groping me. She gave me a hello hug like she always does and I got an, ‘Mmmm… New cologne? Very nice.’ (for the record- she’s also in the 40+ demographic).

The diffusion on FF20 seems to be decent. Not in the Tom Ford Tobacco Vanille or Musc Ravageur category where one spray wafts 20’ but I had people noticing from a few feet away. And they knew it was coming from me because I had a couple of women come over to ask where they could get it at. I think (for me at least) Akuto has a bit better diffusion but this worked well enough. Almost killed me going phero free to test this by the way. The next few days with just cologne are going to be hell. Ah well, the things we do just to get Ammo back in stock. (I know I could have put something on that I know how it reacts but I wanted to test the scents alone and not the scents covering IG or something).

For my part, at least having worn it once, I’d get this with a product. Akuto is still my favorite, but this is very nice too.

Edit- one thing I wanted to add. I really liked the fact that none of these scents smelled ‘cheap’ to me. They all smelled like quality scents regardless of if I thought it would work for me or not. It really shows that Michael Harris and the wonderful folks at Androtics really do care about what they put out there for people.

[SteveO]

Andrew88777 New Fragrances!!!!

@andrew88777

Alright I broke down and sprayed all three on a piece of paper to smell. I thought all three were too strong with just one spray. I am not good at putting smells into words so I also let 2 women smell and tell me what they thought was in them.

FF20 – was described as a lighter smell of tuscany (not sure of spelling) 1 loved this one the best.
FF21 – was my favorite from the bottle, however on paper was too strong. Neither girls liked this one.
FF22 – Both of them said it has a rose petal scent, it is more feminine than FF20. 1 loved this one the best.

[SteveO]

Mikotorocks714 http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/ff20-ff22-quick-review-35383.html

@mikotorocks714

FF20: smells very oriental, I can smell jasmin and I want to say amber too. Not too sure about any other notes but it smells very oriental, dirty as previously mentioned, and heavy. I think it might be a little overpowering if you need higher sprays of AMMO, but won’t be too bad at one or two sprays if you like oriental type of colognes. In a way I want to say that it tries to compare to old Nautica Competition (blue bottle) but I’m just going by memory here and the only comparison could just be the “dirty” smell of it.

FF21: ha, nice little green scent that at initial spray for some reason made me think “cockroach bug spray.” Has a chemical smell to it at initial spray, but when it begins to dry down I can finally smell a wannabe GIT scent which I may say is pretty good. Good strength keeping in mind that these were sprayed on my right arm with just a spritz being used. Could be covered with GIT, or something like Riverside Dr but since this will be in cologne strength I wouldn’t want to do that.

FF22: is light after dry down, definitely smells aquatic when it’s still strong, but at dry down I can smell a light sweetness to it, maybe some powder notes to it. As I’m smelling this for some reason I can smell an oriental note to it that’s hard to tell if it is an oriental note or not but something smells oriental in the background. Not sure, but something about it smells barber shop to me, but for me personally it’s better than FF20 because it’s not as strong as FF20. This one is definitely the least powerful of the three, and might be able to cover.

According to scent strength FF20 comes first, FF21 second, and then FF22 last. FF21 is my favorite, second being FF22, last being FF20.

[SteveO]

I only posted what I have found so far. Please feel free to quote what you can and post more here. Even if you want to keep your individual threads going just link back to here. It just makes life so much more easier for me . I guess I’m just lazy

[evolver]

FF22: Once the top note faded, the first thing I noticed was that it had a sweetness very similar to grapefruit. I wonder if that would be the diffusion package. After I found this sample to be floral, almost like potpurri. It had the quality of being feminine and in the season of spring. To me, it seemed like perfume, and not cologne. Rated: B

I wonder how it would cover the -none in ammo. Also, as I remember from testing the original ammo scent, I wonder how the smell association with -none would link together smell and effect. The smell of the old Ammo was masculine, and I think it associated well with the -none. This one may be too feminine for introducing new users to pheromones, however I’m sure the veterans would enjoy the option to use this as a scent additive to their pheromones.

Additional notes: on drydown smelled like wine??? i like the smell of wine, however I doubt how much I would like this scent in a high number of sprays. I could see it as having a “cloying” quality.

[evolver]

FF21: This scent smells soapy, yet unique. Similar to a department store cologne, and certainly cologne, not perfume. The floral note is light, and although there is a degree of sweetness, this is a fair departure from FF22. I would say this one is closer to game. I like the smell and think this one would associate itself brilliantly with game. err, I meant to write -none there but I guess it will work with game too!!! Season: Summer Rated: A

Additional notes: On dry down smells like something from nautica. another one that could be overpowering with many sprays.

[evolver]

FF20: FINALLY, a sandalwood scent!!! This one smells like incense and is completely delicious. I would love to wear this with pheros or without them. I think it would mix delightfully with with androstenone and make a powerful combo. It has a quality of being unlike most things you could find in a department store and is neither too strong nor too weak. Season: Fall/Autumn Rated: A+

This will be my choice for the new ammo scent. I loved it!!!

[Snoopyace]

Excellent writeups! Very good descriptions of the scents.

I’m holding off voting until Saturday afternoon or evening when I’ve had the opportunity to wear all three for a full day.

Next up today, FF21 (my favorite from the bottle).

Evolver, if you don’t mind my asking- How old are you? (or what age range do you fall into such as 18-30, 31-35, 36-40, 40+?) I’m just curious. Thanks!

[evolver]

I’m twenty-six.

I’m glad none of these make me sneeze like akutchooooooo!!!
Vangelis also reported that it made his nose itchy.

[Xiphoid]

I thought I’d test these too even though I am a girl…I got them in my order so I figured I’d give you a womans perspective I would just like to say though that I am rather picky with my after shaves/colognes…

FF20 - The only one I could stand pretty much. I wouldn’t say I love it, but I don’t dislike it either. It’s a bit meehhh…Not offensive but to me it smells fresh like a guys shower gel or anti-perspirant. If I met a guy wearing this I wouldn’t be put off but I also wouldn’t buy a scent like it for a boyfriend…I’d buy something that would make me want to keep sniffin

FF21 - Not horrible, but not great either. Quite citrusy to me but not in an after shave/cologne way…It smelled like toilet cleaner to me. I think I kind of dislike this one because the air fresheners at my current hospital just reek of this stuff… If I met a guy smelling like this I wouldn’t avoid him but he would struggle to keep my attention because he’d just make me think of work…

FF22 - This one I just can’t do at all! It was really harsh and alcoholic smelling at first but even after dry down it’s has something really sharp and chemical smelling about it. It smells like the fly spray my dad used when I grew up… If a guy smelling like this tried to chat me up he definitively wouldn’t get far…

[SteveO]

@Xiphoid

I thought I’d test these too even though I am a girl…I got them in my order so I figured I’d give you a womans perspective I would just like to say though that I am rather picky with my after shaves/colognes…

FF20 - The only one I could stand pretty much. I wouldn’t say I love it, but I don’t dislike it either. It’s a bit meehhh…Not offensive but to me it smells fresh like a guys shower gel or anti-perspirant. If I met a guy wearing this I wouldn’t be put off but I also wouldn’t buy a scent like it for a boyfriend…I’d buy something that would make me want to keep sniffin

FF21 - Not horrible, but not great either. Quite citrusy to me but not in an after shave/cologne way…It smelled like toilet cleaner to me. I think I kind of dislike this one because the air fresheners at my current hospital just reek of this stuff… If I met a guy smelling like this I wouldn’t avoid him but he would struggle to keep my attention because he’d just make me think of work…

FF22 - This one I just can’t do at all! It was really harsh and alcoholic smelling at first but even after dry down it’s has something really sharp and chemical smelling about it. It smells like the fly spray my dad used when I grew up… If a guy smelling like this tried to chat me up he definitively wouldn’t get far…

That’s why we sent them out to you . We respect and value your opinion and having a woman’s perspective is great.

Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming. Perhaps even have some of your babe friends sample the scents too

[Xiphoid]

@Steve

Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming. Perhaps even have some of your babe friends sample the scents too

Oh! Great idea! I’ll do that, there’s still plenty left

[Snoopyace]

@evolver

I’m twenty-six.

I’m glad none of these make me sneeze like akutchooooooo!!!
Vangelis also reported that it made his nose itchy.

Gamesundeight!

Alriiiight, you are one of the few guys I’ve run across under the age of 30 that I know who’ve smelled FF20 and liked it at least as much as FF21.

I think they are both winners.

[jessejester]

I have not read anyone elses review of these scents. Blind Test.

FF20-I think it smells alot like Polo. I wore it in high school to seem older. Now that I’m older, I think it smells like something my grandfather would wear. Woodsy, heavy, and strong. I think this would be very hard to cover. The scent could be very strong at 3 sprays, but might be really good for diffusion.
EDIT: Too strong. At one spray its like… in my clothes. I just got out of the shower and I can still smell it on me. I keep catching wiffs of it on my couch and everything.
Edit: This is very, very strong at 3 sprays. This would be VERY hard to cover, and seems to be a bit overpowering.

I would not want to wear this as a stand alone scent.

I dont see this scent appealing to woman under the age of 40.

FF21-Light and cool(temperature wise), subtle and fruity. After drydown, a very citrusy note remains. Not bad. It would probably be easy to cover. Its ok. I do feel like I might want to find a cologne to cover it. The citrus notes are high. Maybe fruit tart-ish. Summer-like. After complete drydown…a citrus dandylion necter. Im sorry I have to say this, i’m getting a bit of a floor cleaner scent here.

**Note-**I covered it with Very Sexy for Men just to see how it would be. It covers it quite nice.

FF22-It seems to smell like bug spray, like the orange can of CUTTER or OFF. Very soapy potporri. Flowery and purfume-ish. Its not the “old” AMMO scent but it is in the same ballpark. After drydown, a little bit of the bug spray scent has gone away and has left a scent a potporri jar. I smeel like an old ladies car air freshner. I dont think I like it. At all. Powdery, feminine. No, i dont like this. I could see woman over 40 liking this…as a new perfume for themselves.

If I had to pick one, I would pick FF21. I would not walk into a store and buy it, but I would be able to cover it. I dont think the other 2 could be covered easily, and would not want to wear them regularly.

We are supposed to be honest here so I am going to be. I wear AMMO everyday to work, and I really would not want to wear any of these as my signature, everyday scent. Could I wear FF21 for the advantages that phero’s bring me, yes, but I would cover it. Honestly, I wish it was still Game scented. Game is the only scent I have used from AD that I would walk into a store and buy.

Thank you to AD for giving me the privilege of testing these new scents. It can’t be easy to come up with a scent to appeal to the masses. I appreciate your effort, and love the idea of you releasing them to us for feedback. Other companies would not go that far. Again, thank you.

Jesse

[Snoopyace]

FF21

I spent the day wearing this and I really do like it. It still reminds me quite a bit of Green Irish Tweed which I happen to love. I went phero free again (AAAAARG- Withdrawals!) so that I could judge the scent on its own merits. Today was a totally different environment than yesterdays (I had clients today) so the test isn’t exactly the same. I did get 3 women (all under 32 years old) one hispanic and 2 caucasian who told me that I really smelled nice- without me bringing up the subject at all. (Gotta admit, I did find myself sniffing my wrists a few times and thinking how good I smelled. )

Judging this just as potentially the next Ammo scent I think it would work very well. I really liked this on my skin. Started out very sharp, citrus-y and very slightly floral. I’ve had this on for just over 8 hours at this point and it has evolved into a more citrus/floral scent that is still manly enough (at least for me) By this time the floral aspects have really come forward.

I do believe it could be pretty easily covered with another scent. I wore 3 sprays today (1 to each side of the neck and one split between the wrists) and like my FF20 experience it was STRONG at first but after 20 or so minutes it REALLY dried down nicely and stayed a pretty consistant strength for about the next 4-6 hours.

Apologies to jessejester because I know how much he liked the Game scent but there were a lot of MX’s that I held off on getting because I just couldn’t stomach the game scent. I hope one of these works for him the way the old Game scent did or the way Akuto does for me.

[jessejester]

@Snoopyace

Apologies to jessejester because I know how much he liked the Game scent but there were a lot of MX’s that I held off on getting because I just couldn’t stomach the game scent. I hope one of these works for him the way the old Game scent did or the way Akuto does for me.

Thank you Snoop, but its all good. I understand the need to have a scent thats liked by more people. Its just good business. If I end up not liking the scent, I can find a cologne that is similiar to Game, buy some unscented phero’s, and make it myself. Im pretty sure I have an idea of whats in AMMO. No big deal, but i will miss Game very much.

[mikotorocks714]

Had my wife test these, mind you she’s very picky with cologne/perfume but she seemed to prefer FF20 out of the three, but then she said that it smelled better at initial spray compared to the dry down. She thought FF21 was meh, and she didn’t even like FF22. So hm, tough! However, now that jessejester mentioned it FF20 does smell like Polo Sport in a way, but I can still smell some oriental characteristics to FF20, but then again I’m no perfume expert so I’m just going by what I think.

If I had it my way, I would go with two AMMO scents, FF20 and FF21. One could be aimed for younger guys (FF21) with the other one (FF20) being aimed for a more mature crowd. FF22 the more I smell it the more it smells like chemicals, or something you’d smell at a salon or barber shop after being sprayed with hair spray or something. I mean it still has a sweet side to it that makes me reconsider this choice, but the first two are safer.

[Snoopyace]

@mikotorocks714

Had my wife test these, mind you she’s very picky with cologne/perfume but she seemed to prefer FF20 out of the three, but then she said that it smelled better at initial spray compared to the dry down. She thought FF21 was meh, and she didn’t even like FF22. So hm, tough! However, now that jessejester mentioned it FF20 does smell like Polo Sport in a way, but I can still smell some oriental characteristics to FF20, but then again I’m no perfume expert so I’m just going by what I think.

If I had it my way, I would go with two AMMO scents, FF20 and FF21. One could be aimed for younger guys (FF21) with the other one (FF20) being aimed for a more mature crowd. FF22 the more I smell it the more it smells like chemicals, or something you’d smell at a salon or barber shop after being sprayed with hair spray or something. I mean it still has a sweet side to it that makes me reconsider this choice, but the first two are safer.

I was trying to remember what cologne I wore in high school that FF20 reminded me of. I was trying to decide if it was Xeryus but it has been so long I can’t remember for sure.

I really liked FF20 but I have a feeling it would be very difficult to cover if someone wanted to. It’d have to be more of its own cologne (like I use Akuto now). FF21 (especially after it dries down) seems like it’d be pretty easy to cover (but I’d probably use it by itself). Both FF20 and FF21 (at least for me) seem to have quite the longevity.

I don’t know if it would be feaseable for them but I do like the idea of the two scents. Tomorrow I’m trying FF22 but from what I’ve smelled on the card, I don’t know that I’ll make it all day.