301ing it

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I’ve used this stuff by itself several times. It has a very unique effect on my personality. Makes me a no bullshit kinda guy. It also has this effect that I just don’t care about interpersonal rejection of any sort. “Unrepentant” is the word.. It just takes away the awkwardness, I can sometimes feel when a chick gives me the brush off, insult or bitch shield or whatever. Tends to make them more placating too after the fact. Its really very interesting.

Anyway. I was at this party. I was wearing alot of shit, I thought there’d be girls there. Had on ALOT of shit. I just felt like pheroclouding it. Why not? I’m very familiar with all the things I put on, 301 was the odd man out that day, and sure enough, the same thick skinned no nonsense I don’t give a shit came out that I’m familiar with. These chicks came through late in the night, very reserved girls, friends with the people in the house I was at. Me and a few friends didn’t get hello’s or nothing when they came in, they just said hi to who they know. Not particularly abnormal, but they gave an immediate vibe that they weren’t interested in socializing with us. Not only that, a division suddenly appeared that was not there the whole night, two groups formed in the room, one on one side of the room listening to music, and the other with them and the guys they actually knew playing beer pong. Pretty shitty.

Well anyway, as usually happens in these cases, I’m coaxed into opening. I’m usually the designated asshole. I sure ain’t a PUA. Designated asshole is a much better moniker for the likes of me, tres nonchalant. Thats kinda my job. I talk to strangers about whatever. I can tell my attempt to open will most likely not work. So there’s a certain reticence. They were there to see certain guys in particular, not meet up with me. Thats just the vibe they gave off. I decide to try selling some pot to these girls. I figure why not. Make so money, say hello. As it turned out they don’t smoke.

I get a “go away dude, why would you even ask” vibe. Very awkward silence followed. I say very quickly “Well, alright, whatever. I got pot, I sell it. Thats what I do. I work in a school when the summers not on, but I’m on break and want to make money. Tell me if you change your mind, we’ll roll up.” I feel abnormally persuasive. I also got that in your face fuck you I don’t care what you think thing going. Standoffish though, I wasn’t particularly friendly in any convincing way, but not ‘mean’, and I can be MEAN when a chick gets on the wrong side of me, I don’t take kindly to undeserved disrespect on the best of days. They assured me if they ever wanted pot they’d ask. I was not particularly convinced. I catch a vibe that I was being intrusive somehow. But instead of feeling at all awkward or anything that nothing but silence and weirdness followed this exchange, I notice that I really didn’t give a shit. My mind is clear, topics to talk about flow freely in my head, but I find I’m not interested in making conversation with them, seemed like wasted effort. I was trying to take their money after all, not necessarily hook up with them.

I’m not sure whats going on here. Its as if to me the fact that they’re chicks, hot or not, doesn’t register. But I reciprocate niceness…Not sure what to think about that. I need to work on being nice and kissing ass some more at least on occasion. And I’m not sure 301 is made for me. I wonder whats in it makes me get in a girls face like that. Its like “I’m here. Deal with it, I’m not going anywhere and your opinion doesn’t matter, keep it to yourself.”, or even better, more like “I DARE you to get on my case. I’ll chew you up and make you feel awkward and stupid.” I’ve actually mildly cursed girls out with this stuff. Only for good natural reasons. This girl told me I was gay or something cause I said something not so macho. I told her “What are you fucking stupid or something? Like really, whats wrong with you? Why would you even say something like that, you should feel embarrassed.” She said nothing in retaliation. p93?? I’m not sure whats going on with that.

A friend of mine left me and another friend alone with his girl. Normally I’m the dude that chicks are scared to be alone with. I ain’t the rapist, but, I just ooze that something, like a constant tuth vibe. She said something about being uncomfortable, and at first I teased her and the bf about it before he left “You really gonna leave her alone with me, bad move man”, and reinforced the idea that it was bad to do so by telling him he was a bad boyfriend for doing it, but after he actually left, when I detected she was genuinely uncomfortable I quickly said something fairly uncharacteristic, a genuinely concerned and even enlightened “What are you serious? What kind of person do you think I am? I haven’t been nothing but nice to you, you shouldn’t feel that way at all. I’m not like that don’t know why you think I would be. I was just fucking with you.”

So. 301 for the freak. Unrepentant. Nonchalant. Fiercely defensive but confident, “I’m just standing up for myself”, but at the same time “Here’s some ammo to shoot me with.” I’ll really tell chicks shit a guy probably shouldn’t just to get on their case for taking me seriously or putting me down. Its very interesting, any thoughts about how to turn this into a more positive light?

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It’s very high in -none! How many sprays were you wearing? Also while mentioning you get that effect from it, what else have you worn it with? It could just be a bad combination of things. Provide more info please.

Otherwise very good report and interesting.

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smile more? :smiley:

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Some TAH and TAL.

A lot of IH.

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Great Reporting. I commend you.

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I’m farely new when it comes to using MX301 (or many other pheros for that matter) but I found it works best for me when using less mones because I’m young. Two sprays of MX301 on my neck and 1 or 2 sprays of instant openness on my wrists and girls around me almost immediately show more interest in me and aren’t afraid to initiate conversation with someone who they otherwise don’t usually talk to.

Obviously different things work for different people but I’ve gotten 3 or 4 of my top 5 best hits from that combo.

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None I think might be bad for me..I used to wear it alot when I knew I’d meet chicks through friends, at parties and whatever, maybe not the best thing for social first impressions? I think tuth is best meant for the bar, or when you already got the chick in your room. I remember for a while being the guy certain chicks would fight with alot. Real bad. It was abnormal for me. Normally chicks are very nice to me. But with tuth there would be like instantaneous disrespect. I stopped wearing it mostly. In general, I give off a sexual vibe, its the way I look at chicks, most chicks would describe my vibe as hyper-masculine. Girls notice when I look at them (cause I make intense and forcedly intimate eye contact), some chicks like it, alot of them do, thy get uncomfortable sometimes..but with that tuth man, its like walking around with a boner. I can’t rock it. Especially when I’m drinking!

I got into a fight with this chick cause of tuth (at least, I’ll blame it on that), she was being disrespectful, I had sparked her up, got her some beer, we were chilling with friends and she just kept putting me down, so I told her “Watch what you say to me. If you were a guy, I’d break your f!@#ing jaw. You’d be on the floor right now.”, she said something like “You wouldn’t do shit!”, I then picked her up, classic bully way, held her a few inches off the ground stare her right in the eye, she started screaming so I dropped her on some grass. lol though in the end, she was lovey dovey after that day on, very kind, and I got laid after took her out on a date soon after. But I’ve had my tuth for like 2 years now, its more than half full. That’s probably the reasons I don’t like using it, but the choice was mostly unconscious I think.

I’ve mostly worn this by itself. But that time with the girls I was trying to sell to, I was wearing a shit storm of pheros. I had a314, p83, p86, p79 and IS on. All a spray/drop each. I’ve worn all solo and in combination, 301 has its own very unique effect on me, very noticable even in a mix. Something in it cuts through on me..

The over all effect isn’t bad, its just like it puts me in an argumentative mood. Like I pick fights sorta..I might say something I know I’ll get blacklash about, loose lipped and cocky, but..I usually diffuse the backlash anyway on it, usually by shooting people down right after. I’ll usually be light with dosing. Like one or two.

I’m getting a togo of tal…I’ll try the IH. But, with the way 301 makes me react so strongly to criticism, maybe IH might not be a great idea. Or maybe thats not so bad. I’m not beating women or nothing, just reacting very harshly/assertively to criticism, real or imagined. Like I’m putting up my own bitch shield maybe. lol dude..TAL and TAH huh..Maybe your on to something.

Definitely sorta silences a certain inner filter in a way, I don’t ‘play along’ as much (I guess the word would be ‘complacency’), I feel I’m very ‘assertive’ with it, its more like “well, who are you and what do you have to offer me?”. Its unique. I’m curious what putative is doing it, what in it has that effect. It has p74 and p93 in it correct? I might invest in whatever is doing this to experiment with. Its not overall a bad effect, I just need to kiss ass a little more. Be a little nicer. Like hopelessly said, smile maybe. Nurture relationships, conversations, first impressions, ya know? though honestly, in fact..I’d say the 301 brings out certain traits I normally possess but kinda suppress out of experience. This is all very ‘me’, just..A little too intense sometimes for normal company.

I really wonder now how that tal togo’s gonna effect that now..

301 needs more experimentation on my part. I’m like out of IO though :frowning:

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I’d liken mx301 and all the stuff I had on to me as being sorta like boomer from the breakfast club. It might just be the none though..I already know that has bad effects on me, but this is different..

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Yeah well you know how brooklyn girls are.

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Dude maybe you should work on your game. Learn how to handle shit testing. When girls start talking smack, it’s not a bad thing. It’s a test to see if you are interested and can handle them. Don’t fall for the trap. They are negging you trying to prove social value. If you bite, most of the time you prove them right or that you are psycho. Of course some chicks like psychos.

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Dude. I dunno bro. If by that you mean shallow closed minded bitches then yeah, I agree. But TUTH has not worked at all for me in that regard. It’ll turn heads and shit at the club or bar or whatever, but meeting girls while socializing, smoking pot or whatever through friends and shit..I dunno, just turns into put downs from the chicks, girls that sorta polarize against EVERYTHING I have to say, arguments and cock block city. Like, its insane. I can’t easily wear that shit.

On the flip side, if I felt like smacking bitches up, maybe it’d work…It certainly seemed to work that one time I mentioned. In fact…She seemed to like me better when I was threatening to beat her and wearing lots of TUTH. Lord she was lovey dovey. I got her flowers or some shit cause I honestly felt bad about throwing her around, that was probably the worst thing I did. She told me she wanted to be friends soon after. And it wasn’t throwing her around messed it up, it was the flowers. If I could do it all again, I’d never have bought those damn flowers. Brooklyn girls HATE that romantic shit, its like backwards or something. If I just kept treating her like a whorish bitch and took her to mcdonalds on dates I’d probably have had a great relationship with her. I honestly believe thats how it really works. I will never take a girl on a ‘serious’ date ever again. Dollar menu and a spark up (make sure she buys the dutch) is how you treat a princess, anything else and your a desperate leper or something. Its retarded.

I wonder if there’s an anti cock blocking phero. I could use me some of that..probably why I can rock instant jerk. Its weird. I’d sooner rock the IJ than TUTH. I wonder what thats about.

Hey, there might be some truth there…I get shit tested fairly often, depends on the company really. Cock blocking is more my problem in social settings. Idk. It depends. Usually I can just ignore it…Eh, if you saw these chicks, you’d understand why I just blew em off after that. They didn’t even shit test me. In fact, they were very..Placating, though maybe mildly patronizing. “If we need bud we’ll be sure to let you know.” I just didn’t feel like wasting my time. There was a very palpable separation going on, I didn’t feel like putting in enough effort to break through that. Thats more my problem if anything, motivation…But I’m at the point in my life where if a chick don’t wanna know, forget her. You know? There are enough women in this world that come easy..I shouldn’t have to work so hard just to meet someone. It shouldn’t be that serious. Its supposed to be fun, right?

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BY the way don’t take this as an offense at all lol cause it’s not meant to be.

STOP WASTING TIME WITH LITTLE GIRLS

I tell that to my boys all the time, stop fucking around with girls who won’t respect themselves enough to do it. I know how girls in NYC are in general, the ones born and bred here, no matter how genuine you can be there is just so much bullshit to cut through that it’s honestly not worth it, time wise. I realize this now because there’s this imaginary boundary when you cross over that the older women get, the less bullshit you have to go through. Yeah when we were in college and even a year or so after, it’s fine, go out have fun, do what you gotta do, put up with the immaturity. But now it’s just plain annoying, I’ve seen relationships sink in titanic proportions because the jerkoff didn’t know when to cut it loose and have drama and shit follow him for the next 6 months. If they wanted to be treated like shit, do you ultimately want that woman to potentially be the mother of your kids? Doubt it, heck they won’t even make it to meet my friends.

As f or -anone products with fun, since your personality should fit it the best, try out IJ, I have fun with that one.

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Nah man, I don’t take that as an offense at all..I know exactly what you mean. Girls in NY are just as shallow as the guys are. Its as if that comes at a premium. Its weird man, I find the girls in college in my night classes are a step above though so far, thankfully.

Like, I know you mean man. I almost always go for the older chicks…I always have. Just be careful man..When girls get older they go baby crazy and shit, especially if she hasn’t had any already. Its a fact, that biological clock man just keeps ticking, its in their blood. Even lesbians wanna have kids. They’ll try to trap you, especially if your a ‘nice guy’. I know from experience. Take my word for it. If she has condoms, don’t use them, always carry your own! What 30 something year old woman wouldn’t wanna trap herself a nice hot twenty something? She’d be a fool not to if she could get away with it.

And your right…I shouldn’t WANT a girl that likes that kinda shit. Feeds on drama..But, still man. Its burgerking city from now on. Buying flowers, that romance shit..NEVER AGAIN. Its gotten me nothing but being looked down on or accusations that I’m a stalker-type or shit like that.

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From my experiences, TUTH is a REALLY strong sexual pheromone, as you all obviously know. But being 21 to me personally at least, that means that I can’t use more than 1 spray of it.

I used 1 spray of TUTH, 2 sprays AMMO and 2 IO once and when I got to the pub crawl thing we were doing I was full of confidence, chicks were talkative around me, asking me random questions, asking me to take pictures for them, one girl even came up from behind me once and wrapped her hand over mine as if we were a couple. When we were on the bus the hottest looking girl came in late and couldn’t find an empty seat, so she asked two girls sitting opposite of my side to squish in. So I was getting mad hits and this combo proved for me the same thing on a few other occasions.

But that same pub crawl night, I later put on the 2 spray of TUTH like 1.5 hours later and at that point, the girls seemed attracted to me but not as strongly, so had really intense looks and others were a bit put off.

Then 2 hours later I applied the 3rd spray and from then on almost all the girls were avoiding me. Earlier in the night I talked to two chicks a bit for like 5 minutes, then after applying that third spray, 1 of them jumped out of nowhere right on my back and hugged me from behind and started grinding with me, but 5-10 seconds later she backed off, getting the smell I’m guessing. HOWEVER, her friend that seemed more attracted to me, just stuck like glue and wouldn’t leave and the rest I won’t go into detail, but we usually know what happens after.

So in summary, 1 TUTH mixed with other things seems to work wonders, but 2 TUTH is a bit too much and 3 TUTH is almost impossible to meet girls because they are getting the vibe that you are just TOO horny/Aggressive and might end up rapping them or something instead. Unless, the chick is extremely attracted to you already and then the extra sprays just signal that you are on the same level as her in terms of horniness and its a green light to take things further.

Considering that you are 23, I’d think that maybe more than 1 spray is too much for you as well? I read somewhere also that people shouldn’t use TUTH by itself as well, right?

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You still got some time lol

But just by going out and realizing this crap over the last couple of years really makes you realize.

But good luck and seriously try IJ lol

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Honestly it sounds like you need an introduction to PUA, not that I promote that lifestyle anymore. I buy flowers for my wife. I take her out to eat. I buy her nice gifts. But when we first met she bought my drinks and when we first started seeing each other, she bought my meals. It wasn’t until we were an established couple that I started giving her a taste of good life. It doesn’t mean that you can’t be romantic though.
You can be romantic. Just make sure that you set high value first. Then you won’t have as many shit test. I don’t know about NY girls, well my wife did go to school there, but I do know that women like to know that they have a guy that they can’t shake. If you haven’t read it, then read The Game. It’s not a how to book, but it tells you a lot of the theories that a lot of guys here already know.

Trust me the things that people like P-51 tell you is the same stuff that I had to learn on my own 10 years ago. Mones just make everything easier, but you need to have the knowledge to go with it. Imagine walking into a room and controlling the entire atmosphere, not just picking up girls. That’s what you can do with a little knowledge and mones.

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Interesting thread I think I am going to try mx301, to see how it changes my laidbackness…

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TAC (also in MX301) camouflages None in the first moment. Can you see later sexual effects?

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MX301 is one of my favorites, and at three sprays I feel like a beast, kind of like how you desribed it.

I find its not necessary to really add to much to the it, I usually only add IG or A314 to the mix.

If the none is getting to you, try adding a spray of IO to it to calm it down.

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Hmm. I think the situations I’ve worn the 301 in weren’t the best. I’ve had like limited time for interaction, I’ve yet to use it on a real date. At the bar, I’ve noticed this kinda build up I guess, girls I haven’t talked too at all the whole night will say goodbye when they leave and shit like that. Its kinda flattering.

I wanna make clear, I don’t think from the outside I’m none ODing, if anything, there’s just a self effect here. I can wear IJ fine too. But the self-effect none has on me turns me into a boomer. I feel like judd nelson and shit from that breakfast club movie, get on womens cases pretty hard. BUT..301 is pretty well buffered. Usually with the TUTH, its like a mutual thing..Chicks will get on my case pretty hard..None of that is happening here very much at all or at least not any more often than usual. But I’m still very…‘strong’ is the word I’d use. Over all, its not a BAD thing, in fact, I suspect if I get used to it, I can probably play it off pretty good.

Its very interesting, whats going on here is something else, its not the none, its one of the putatives or maybe TAC I think…I don’t know yet. I’m getting p74 and TAC soon, so, I’ll find out. If its not them, its the p93 prolly. Its like being the guy chicks don’t have the right to shit test. sorta like girl: “Blah blah blah negative shit”, reply “What are you stupid or something?”, girl “I’m suddenly overwhelmed with the desire to placate you and genuinely feel bad and or stupid ::looks at floor::”. Its got that high-status thing to it, “you don’t have the right to talk shit to me”.

Also, its not that I’m not ‘laid back’..This is something else. Like, its not so much a bullshit angry reaction, its usually very well founded. I don’t just call a chick (or actually, in my experience, this applies to people in general) stupid over something dumb..Its a reasonable and if anything, healthy response to someones negativity. Its very eloquent usually too. Its unique, like..I can feel this. Its a something that I don’t have in any other of my pheros, and I got alot of them.

I think your right about the TAC..Looking back, I’ve seen it happen in groups of girls. It usually takes a little while. Leg spreading, hair playing and shit. I think I need to wear it more often..More experimentation is in order.