A night at a new club with no hits: why pheromones don't work without effort

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Hey folks, I just thought I’d write a little example of how pheromones aren’t one stop cure all magical bullets. Several members have done an excellent job of welcoming new members and pointing out that using pheromones is not going to have the opposite sex falling at your feet, or begging for sex, and that pheromones will only work if you are willing to put some effort in yourself. Well this post is intended to drive that point home.

As many of you may know, I have had some great successes with my little bottles of Jasmin’s magical potions, and actually have had some pretty smack-in-the-face blatant hits.

Last night I didn’t, and here’s why!

I decided I needed to find a new nightclub to go to, as I’ve been getting pretty burnt out on my usual hangout. So, I dress up nicely, douse myself with the 12 sprays of the SteveO wonder mix that I’ve been raving about and head for this club that I’d heard great things about, and that I’d set my mind on making my new hangout.

Well, I went by myself and while the place was jamming, I didn’t know a soul there. I go up to the bar and grab a spot, which ends up being next to this loud drunk obnoxious asshole. On the other side of me are three women, who where OK looking, but not what I’d call really attractive, and another drunk idiot taking turns hitting on each of them, trying to figure out which one of the ladies might be either horny enough or willing to take pity and let him have sex with her. Everytime this idiot comes over to take another shot at the girl standing next to me he is bumping into me or wedging me out of his way and closer to the drunk asshole.

Let’s see, am I getting the point across that I’m not really having a good time at this club? If not, let me try a little harder - THE PLACE SUCKED!!!

So, unlike the other places I’ve gone where I’ve worked my pheros and let them work for me, I’m not a very happy camper and just stand there at the bar with my arms folded in front of me and probably a pissy look on my face, and I don’t bother to even try to talk to, make eye contact with, or smile at anyone.

And surprise, surprise, nobody tried talking to me or showing any kind of IOI’s.

I did hang around for a couple of hours, just to see if it would get any better, or if I could find some sort of reason to want to come back, but never did.

The entire time I was there, the only person that showed me any kind of attention was one of the three women to the right of me, who reached across her friend to offer a handshake and say hello.

I never lightened up and finally after getting absolutely fed up with being in this club, I decide to head for the house. Once I finally got out of there, I kind of had to laugh, because while driving home I realized that with my attitude, look, and body language, there wasn’t a chance in hell I could have expected any IOI’s from anybody.

The point being made is that you can douse yourself in the ultimate phero combiniation and surround yourself around attention starved members of the opposite sex, who are dying to make friends, looking for a FB, relationship or just someone to talk to, BUT, if you don’t make an effort and show that you’re open and interested in interacting, IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!

This thread was obviously geared toward the noobs, but I’m guessing that a couple of the more experienced phero users will see this and get a laugh from it, recalling their own similar phero fueled failures from bad days or the wrong attitudes.

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That sounds exactly like what happened to me at our office Christmas party. I ended sitting with and close by the 2 of the most obnoxious people associated with the firm. The party was on a scenic train ride so I was trapped. :angry: I wanted to blame it on the Instant Female Magic, but couldn’t.

So Mark is Jessica Simpson going to the football game on Sunday?:roll_eyes:
Good luck to your Cowboys, but as a die hard Packer fan I have to go with the Giants. :smiley: I hope the games are as good as last week.

Nice report BTW.

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Thanks Mark for reminding us that even you guys that get the blatant in your face hits are human too. Phew!

We see a lot of wonderful stories of “hits” on here and don’t realize that most of them are just 90% attitude and 10% pheros. I think everybody at some point wanted these magical solutions to do the work for them. It is a hard pill to swallow to learn that you gotta step up your social attitude also in order to effectively work the pheros.

Thanks again for the reminder. :smiley:

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I’ve noticed many pheromones are really good at enhancing whatever you do, including putting out negative vibes. If you’re depressed, pissed or even melancholy, everybody knows as your state of mind is cranked up to volume 10! You’ve really gotta be a master actor to cover it and most of us ain’t…

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I agree that to hook up with a woman, make new friends ext. u have to be active and the rest is done by the mones.If u dont act at all- no big results. BUT don’t agree that when using pheromones in the right dosages there could not be ioi.As I understand a woman greeted you, right?Isnt that an ioi?Sometimes when people don’t know you and therefore don’t come to talk to u the hits seem verry subtle, only looks, girls overplaying with their hair ext.
I don’t know the mix u were using but isn’t it little bit more 12 sprays?Possible od?For instance when i overdosed on cttm2 there were no results at all.Then when i lowerd the dosage to 3 sprays boom big hit.

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Hello guys!!!
It happened something like that to me too!!! Ok, all it was fine, but on the past weeks, I was in a extremely cold place and, except once, I fell no phero-effects. Not even self effcts. I tried any combiantion, but nothing. I even tried to OD them, but still nothing!!! Maybe it was the cold weather? I suppose it’s so… In fact, the only time that they looked like working, I sprayed them just before entering in a club, and there it was really hot. What do you think guys? I was planning to write a report in my journal called “Phero-Failure” and then I seen Mark with this post with the same name!!! That’s funny!!!

See ya

Franz

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Well, yes that would be considered an IOI. But, I am pretty sure that she would have done so even without pheros, and after turning to shake her hand and say hi back, I think she could tell that I wasn’t in the best of moods and not much interested and it ended there.

I’ve grown used to getting multiple hits and IOI’s while wearing pheros and that night she was the only that made any kind of attempt to even be polite. I consider the night a failure, and I consider it a failure due to my attitude.

As for the 12 sprays I wore, the mix contains 6 compounds and has about 8.5 mcg total phero content per spray. I have had awesome results with this mix on other occasions, including several that were smack-in-the-face IOI’s. So no, I didn’t od on pheros.

I don’t think it was the cold weather, as even in the cold your body heat should help to dissapate the molecules. Unless they were applied under several layers of heavy clothing where they wouldn’t be able to escape and work their magic.

I am thinking that they didn’t work because you probably weren’t happy to be there and were not in the right frame of mind to allow them to work. Could that be the case?

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Hello Mark,
I suppose that my pheros didn’t work because I was heavily clothed, and somehow it absorbed the pheros. In fact, even if after 1 hour I reached a club, and took the clothes off, I didn’t feel the effects, and I didn’t even seen it on the others. I believe that, maybe, I was focused on other things and maybe I didn’t notice any effect… What do you think?

See ya

Franz

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Hey Franz,

Well, if the pheros couldn’t escape your clothing they couldn’t work, so that is a strong possibility.

You also mentioned that you tried unsuccessfully to OD, although you did not mention what you tried to OD with. I am assuming this means that you were looking for self-effects as well as outward efects, and I’m assuming you applied the pheros before layering on the clothing. Since you couldn’t even see a self-effect I still think it was because you probably weren’t happy being where you were and had the wrong attitude.

Gegogi made a good point in saying:

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Great post Mark. A perfect example of what I have tried to start telling new users in the intros. The pheros work but they ain’t magic. You gotta do something to take advantage of the edge they give you. Standing there looking like you are not having a good time is probably not that “something”.

And Gegogi mentions something that has been posted here and elsewhere before - the pheros - or at least some pheros (not knowing what you were wearing in the mix) seem to amplify whatever mood you are in, good or bad.

Kudos to you both.

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Hi Mark,
thank you for your answer! I suppose that the heavy clothes is the right answer. In fact, I wasn’t moody at all. I even was really happy of being there :-).
Sorry if I didn’t write what I tried to OD. The problem is that I mixed some and not only one. Anyway, here what I brought with me:

Instant Shine
Instant Openness
TUTH (I only used it once)
MX222 (I only use it once)
P74
P93

As you see, I brought with me a quite a lot of stuff. unluckily, my Instant Shine leaked… Ok, now I’ve really to buy one new.

See ya

Franz

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Well as I said before I generally agree that one have to act along with the pheromones one uses but even if not doing so they will affect the targets anyway.If it was the contrary - pheromones would have been a scam, a placebo effect witch they are definately not.The problem in this situation is that when u act like don’t want to interact with people they understand it and whatever image you project in their minds they will not start talking to you for instance.

For example if an extremly hot and sex appealing girl is holding a gun and whispering to herself something like a madman, no guy is to be expected to close to her, right?But this doesn’t mean that guys will not percieve her as sexually attractive woman anymore.
The same is with the pheromones.U act them, u get real results, u don’t u just make a certaing image(depending on the pheromones u use) in other’s mind and no real contact.

Recently I had a verry interresting hit with HS freshman girls and Come Talk To Me Mix 2, (here is the thead Come talk to me 2 impressions)but in this occasion the pheromones made them willing to talk to me, to initiate a conversation without knowing me at all but it was my behaviour, that I responded with a smile, that I talked to them and asked if I can join their table that made the things going.So in that case the pheromones made 60% (not 50% because the girls influenced by the pheromones initiated the conversation with some simple chat) of the deal :wink: and I made the rest with just chatting and smiling.No big thoughts , no big game.Just being nice and having the pheromones do the rest.

So maybe there was some ioi even not shown because the contrary would mean that all the girs there didn’t posses a vno.:stuck_out_tongue:

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OK, first if I happened to see a HB holding a gun and talking to herself like a madwoman, I seriously doubt that I’d find any kind of sexual attraction to her, and I most definitely would not give off any IOI. :open_mouth:

Second, an IOI is just that: an indication of interest. If it is not expressed, then it isn’t an IOI, just a feeling. :stuck_out_tongue:

Last, just because a girl is exposed to pheromones does not mean she has to react, nor does it mean that she does not possess a VNO. Pheromones are enhancers only. They will not make anybody feel something they don’t, or act in a way that they would not.

Your last sentence implies that if a girl that you found completely unattractive were to wear copulins, you’d be compelled to show IOI’s and want to have sex with her. Even if a girl that you had been dying to hook up with were to wear copulins, that does not mean that you have to act on it or show any IOI. :wink:

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Well if none attractive woman is wearing copulins I will feel like a desire to have sex but maybe I’ll try to get some other girl.
In my experience with pheromones there wasn’t a day without some IOI from women.The only exeptions to this was when I was od on -none.That time there was contra IOI - women are freeing from me.

Yeah, I generally agree that only pheromones cannot gat you laid but it can do from 40% to 60% of the deal.The rest is just you and your behaviour.

And the example of the mad girl holding a gun was just to show an example that beauty displays as tits, legs, eyes, ass, clothes, makeup are important but even with all that if the behaviour is bad/or-mad no one will be interrested, even seeing and appreciating the above said women’s attributs.:smiley:

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The entire spirit of this thread was to let new users know that they shouldn’t expect pheros to do all the work for them, and that if they had the wrong attitude or didn’t at least make an effort, they couldn’t expect any results from the pheromones.

It doesn’t really matter whether pheromones contribute 1% or 99.5% toward generating hits and IOI’s. If one is not willing to put forth at least some effort, they will never get to the 100% and reap the rewards.

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Well you are right that new users should be aware that pheromones cannot do the trick by itself and when u wear them all the women to start hitting on you without you making even the smallest effort towards getting things going.It’s good to remind them that pheromones have to be acted but your post leaved (at least to me) the impression that pheromones do not work and that the placebo effect does the thing going, witch is not true.
I just wanted to make sure that new users don’t get it wrong about pheromones and thinking they’re a placebo.Pheromones make people be in certain mood and they can associate this by your persona and that way if u make some effort and socialise, people will be assured that the impression you project with pheromones is the true one and part of your personality.

most users search for something to make them getting girls more easly.so how exactly pheromones work in hook ups and how one have to work pheromones as to get results(the same thing u posted here but more on the seduction topic ) is written here :

I found Tisha’s remarks verry informative in explaining the process how exactly pheromones work in seduction, witch shows that they are not placebo stuff but neighter they are magic potions.When I am helping some new user out I make sure he reads this topic not because i started it but because there are described the exact reactions women have from mones by exposed to male pheromones experienced female user-Tisha.

Mark,I think that your post is wonderful idea to help and instruct newbies and thus I am trying to contribute too and not to argue with you.:wink:

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Thanks Casanova. I think between us we’ve now been able to impart to new users that pheromones do work, but they aren’t magical potions that they spray on and the girls come running. :slight_smile:

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You should try sniffing a bottle of EoW and see if cops–apart from the context of an attractive woman–makes you catch bone. Doesn’t do a thing for me. Nuttin. Smells like bug spray and rotten cheese to me. But then, a lot of coeds do a swift business on the 'net selling used panties for pervs to sniff 'n get off, so maybe some guys respond to cops more like insects than others. Of course used panties smell much more like real bimbo sauce than EoW…

I do catch wind of cops on women every once in a while and while I recognize the smell, I don’t find it a turn-on unless I’m attracted to her and thinkin’ of bumpin’ uglies. In fact, I’m more inclined to think, “sheesh, this girl needs a shower” than “ah wanta make babies and plenty of them.”

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Yeah, I think that too.:slight_smile: New users need this andvice verry much.I also think that if one has decided to become PUA the most important thing to get the girls is the experience and techniques and pheromones can only make the picture to look like real deal :smiley: .

So use pheromones and act like Giacomo Casanova and this two combined should get u alot-of/or-all-the :open_mouth: girls.:stuck_out_tongue:

That’s my credo witch I discovered in my experience using pheromones products.

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Well that’s funny but I catch this smell too (I discovered that when i’m wearing androstenone on, girls get wet and release this verry distinctive to me musky smell) and IT REALLY FREAKS ME OUT.I want to have sex right on the spot and make plenty of babyes too.:eek: Am I such an animal???
Once I had met a girl who didn’t shower alot and it was the most strange feeling that I felt.That time I didn’t know all this pheromone thing but I liked her musky smell and I just coulden’t resist not to have her seating at my lap.For hours:eek: :eek: :eek: .Now I know what was that- copulins.And this girl wasn’t ugly but wasn’t some HB too.Just an average girl that one can meet in every courner.But she was like a pornstar for me…:cool: