2016-01-01/Friday: AMMO - one spray on TMJ area behind each ear at 2:20pm, no TUTH
Went to local Starbucks to get a coffee to mix with my protein powder, wanted to see what happens with just 20-30 mins there
Windy day on the walk to the shop, worried most of the immediate efficacy might have been blown away
The female barista there, Latina early 20s, that I fancy might have had a response; much more responsive to my chatting when ordering (laughing when I made jokes when she usually doesn’t), lots of avoiding eye contact
An Asian girl, likely early 20s, at the table next to me might have had a response; running her fingers through her hair excessively; I remarked that I liked her chibi-Batman phone case and she said thank you, but as she was studying for CFA I didn’t push further
I struck up a chat with one of the male baristas about that shop not putting blonde roast on tap and instead relegating it to “pour-over” status (where they have to manually do it), and he went busy for a few minutes; when he was done with the customer he resumed the chat with me
self-effect: much more open to chatting and willing to put myself out there, though I was still pretty withdrawn around most people when putting sugar and half-and-half in my protein-coffee mix
possible self-effect: my voice, which I’ve been actively training to be lower and slower, seems to be higher (more nasal?) and faster when wearing AMMO; note to self - study this further
So…yea, I’m almost certain that two sprays of AMMO 1x on me is more social than sexual. I don’t want to waste my limited supply, but next time I’ll try four sprays since I’ve done three sprays (two TMJ+one wrist with spread) and that seems to promote more of a sexual direction.
EDIT: Well. Four hours later I just picked up some Chinese takeout and I might have gotten a response from the girl behind the counter. I said “how are you doing” and she started up a chat asking how my New Year’s Eve was. Definitely trying to avoid eye contact and she was licking her lips, though the latter was most likely because of the cold since she was sniffling before I even came in. She’s cute but this one is dangerous not because she’s probably the daughter of the owner but because she’s 13 or 14 and I’m not looking to make that statutory business happen and I don’t have the patience to even attempt to make a 4-5 year fallout happen.
Not sure, could be a number of different reasons. OD, something in my teeth, an errant facial hair I missed when shaving, a smell on my clothing that I’ve lost sensitivity to, an unwavering gaze and/or aura from me that may or may not be intimidating, etc.
For such short time periods and with so many possible variables your guess is as good as mine.
Wow great news. I am excited to see your results. I need to test more with Ammo/TAC/Hedione setup. So I have had better luck mixing my Hedione with Essential Oil or using the dab method (I think Conjurator for his suggestions) over mixing the same bottle as cologne or PA.
Keep us posted. I really have been enjoying watching your progress and you have came a long way.
I suggest you stop partnering the two first and focus on using the mones only and took note of its effects so that you can distinguish what’s mones and what’s tones.
Do not underestimate the powers of a social product or a person being social when you wear AMMO. I have more hits with socials, and more phone numbers, than from highly sexual mixes.
Most women and yes I said most want to have a connection first then go into the other stuff.
My advice get your sweet spot with ammo, really get a feel for it. Then be social you will be surprise how ammo opens women up… Sometime quite literally, then when you get them back hit her with some TUTH. I would say 1-2 sprays depending how old she is.
Oh, I’m fully aware of this. I’m also aware that the overwhelming majority of the time I put in effort to establish this connection with no positive return for me; the “I don’t want to ruin what we have” friend-zone. Hence the plan to make it clear sex is the intent from the very beginning.
2016-01-04/Monday: AMMO - one spray on TMJ area behind each ear at 2:50pm + one spray on chest at 2:50pm, TUTH - one spray on each side of neck at 2:50pm + one spray on front of neck at 2:50pm
had late lunch/early dinner with a female friend, the girl who sat closest to me in the Computer Architecture class I mentioned earlier: 20 years old, a definite 9/10 but a practicing Muslim so I was facing an uphill battle with her from the giddy-up
she was talking a lot about school and a mutual acquaintance (a gold digger of a female I used to be friends with who I mentioned in another thread of mine here)
her pupils dilated and she had DIHL when I spoke and laughed at most of my jokes
the conversation turned very emotional and I complained about how I put in effort with women and attain negative results re sex and romance; she claims to be uninfluenced by sexual intent, both by personal choice and by practicing her religion, and claimed I misinterpreted signals of hers I pointed out
self-effects: I was very emotionally charged, possibly a combo of the mones and the subject matter of conversation, and broke down in tears due to feeling inadequate; I again broke down while texting her after and describing the circumstances that led to my current outlook on relationships
note to self: I’ll have to pay better attention to conversation subjects when wearing 3 sprays AMMO + 3 sprays TUTH and likely steer away from personally sensitive topics for a while
She seems to want to legitimately help me be successful with women, even though she claims to not be interested in a relationship herself. She already considers me a mentor in computer science, so likely feels this is a way she can give back and “be a good friend” to me. I guess we’ll see how it turns out.
I kind of figured you knew this, I had the same issues in the past. The difference between a girl and a woman is that women value a connection for what it is girls don’t. With a good woman you get both, I do think one day you will find her.
Got my TAC today! Going to one more holiday party full of college students and giving AMMO+TUTH+TAC a shot; probably AMMO on each TMJ, TUTH on lower neck sides, and TAC in the space between.
2016-01-06/Wednesday: AMMO - one spray on TMJ area behind each ear at 7:20pm + one spray on wrist and spread at 9:00pm, TUTH - one spray on each side of lower neck at 7:20pm, TAC - one spray on each side of middle neck at 7:20pm
Went to a holiday party at a pretty good lounge on the Lower East Side, full of maybe 30-50 18-20somethings; this was the same organization that threw the previous holiday party with alcohol, this time geared towards current college undergraduates
the vast majority of students there knew each other; I only knew one student there, a guy from a regularly scheduled group meet, and he was the only student there who knew me; he commented on how I looked good that night, but other than that no interaction with any of the students
self-effects: I had no trouble chatting up the female bartenders, but given the extremely negative feedback from my apparent behavior at previous iterations of this specific party I was extremely hesitant to even talk to any of the students; as such I sat out most of the night swiping through Tinder
I thought I picked a decent situation to try out the TAC, but it turned out terrible for me. I felt anti-social all night and even though there were certainly girls there I was attracted to the only thing I did was stuff my face with free wings, tiny pizzas, and soft drinks from the bar.
This is a good thing man. You want to know how the -mones work and what does and doesn’t work for you. So don’t look as it as a loss or fail. It’s all a part of the process. Get ready for much failure! Haha.
But IMO, that was not nearly enough TAC to buffer all that TUTH and AMMO. I think that’s just way too much -none up in the air.
As I look through your tests it appears you used AMMO with TUTH a lot. I can’t say that I’ve seen anybody do that around here (without any buffer). Logically it sounds too strong of a cloud.
And as Justintime has said, Hedione has been essential to the mix he’s been mentioning that we use.
Oh… I always thought of it as the smell of man’s respect and women’s greatest desire. Women literally lick the TUTH up off of my neck knowing damn well it tastes like crap! Ahah
I find right around 20 MCG for most of us is about right for a buffer. What I did was solo test TUTH with the wife first, so what I would do is if you have a lady friend test on her first to find your sweet spot with the TUTH. Then I tested TAC solo and found 20 MCG to be right for me. Then I combined the 2.
With Hedione it really sets the TUTH/TAC mix into overdrive like an amplifier for me. The Hedione seems to assist in lifting the molecules off my skin and help with getting them to my targets nose.
With Hedione I have had better luck with dabing it on my skin and mixing it with Essential Oils over trying to mix it with cologne or PA. Now this is just my experience with it as I have seen others have other experience with it. It has taken me a few months to really understand the Hedione and I am still trying to dial in a perfect mix with it.
I also now use the same layer method that Jdub uses. I tried to keep the Tac and TUTH app point separate but in these cold winter months I am very limited to my neck for app points. I usually spray 1 left and 1 right neck of TUTH 1X and I let dry for 5 minutes. I then spray TAC 10MCG 6% Ammo over the TUTH. I chose 6% FF21/Ammo scent because I find with TAC having a stronger scent it goes much better than the same strength of TAC in Neroli. It is like the TUTH is better buffered or at least my targets perceive it like this.
I am still trying to really dial this mix in and find a perfect molecule to add. I will then add another molecule to the front and back of neck like P131 or P96. I am still trying to find another molecule to add to this mix. In all honestly Jdub really has found a perfect mix because this is the first time I have really had a hard time trying to modify this thing and all on it’s own TUTH/TAC/Hedione is really a perfect mix.
I have had really good luck with Ammo/TAC/Hedione to. I find this is slightly more of a social mix.
I would look into getting some Hedione and Jdub or Conjurator can probably get you a great source. I think I paid $28 and got mine on ebay a while back.
2016-01-10/Sunday: AMMO - one spray on wrist and spread at 1:25pm + one spray on adam’s apple at 1:25pm, FORGOT TAC at 1:25pm, TAC - two sprays on forearm and spread at 4:12pm
Wanted to do a test of more TAC heading to Starbucks at 1:25pm, but forgot to apply it
asked the female barista I fancy, the Latina early 20s+dark complexion from before, to “get to know each other better” and one of her female coworkers at the counter burst out in a high-pitched laugh/cackle of shock, then she made a flimsy excuse about being busy
later about an hour and a half after I applied the TAC when I went to get dinner the female cashier, I assume Latina early 20s, was really talkative with me about how tired she felt and couldn’t wait to finish her shift after I asked how she was doing; almost positive it was the mones since the female cashiers at that supermarket have almost never been that talkative to me
self-effects: felt playful and talkative before the cackle, felt indifferent and overly serious afterwards, insulted by the cackle, and completely ignored all the baristas except to get my coffee refilled before I left
It’s situations like the Starbucks one that turn me off to investing any amount emotional effort to “get to know women better” when the immediate reflexive response to my asking them out is a cackle of disbelief and an excuse. Even if I had remembered the TAC I don’t expect it would have went differently, and I do not attribute this result to OD.
This reinforces the belief that I need to have and maintain a sexual frame from the giddy-up to have any chance of positive result in that direction. Hedione is on its way, I should have it in my possession Monday afternoon or so.
What I found works best when I wear my mix of TUTH/TAC/hedione is to never make it obvious you want to get to know someone better. The mix does that for me. The only thing I do is be a nice, cool, and friendly guy.
But yeah, make sure to use the TAC and Hedione.
And start out looking for IOIs instead of flat out going all in.
