My Lesbian Lexicon

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Pheromones, pheromones, females moans! Yes! I’m excited to finally start my journal. It’s been a long time coming. I hope you like it. Feel free to comment, react, ask questions, and give advice. That’s what we’re all here for right?

Background: I’ll try to keep this tight! Lol. I’m a female entrepreneur recently relocated from a bustling city to a quiet town. I’ve been with my girlfriend, also an entrepreneur, for the past 4 years. We both lead extremely busy lives, but still find time to spend with each other; although much less of late. I am very sexual, and she, well, less sexual. While both of us have had sex with men, we prefer the fairer sex.

I’m very flirtatious with men and women. I often get attention from men whether I want it or not; which can be extremely annoying. The attention most women would kill for at times bugs the hell out of me, especially when it comes from a guy that just “doesn’t get it”. I’m gay. Period.

Tonight:
2 sprays of IH shared between both forearms
An hour later 2 sprays of AMMO; one to each side of my neck

Initially when I sprayed the IH I didn’t notice much of a difference. My gf and I were having a conversation about a household issue that we need to have resolved by next week. I’m more of a talker than she is, so part of the reason I purchased IH is to see if I could get her to chit chat a bit more during the times when we work in the office together.

After about a half hour I ended up helping her with some research by looking into some existing documentation we have. I asked her to tell me what she was working on, and she didn’t respond. Now, this happens often. I’m not sure if she doesn’t hear me (we were 4ft away though) or if she just doesn’t want to answer. It pisses me off constantly though! No different today. I got irritated and started firmly explaining that I asked her to tell me because there was a chance I already did the work, and she’d be wasting her time. (I had done it. She was wasting her time.) I mention this only because I’m not sure if its the neroli scent or something else, but certain pheromones (no matter what their intended effect) make me more Type A than I already am. And trust me, no one needs that. I had to stop using Instant Sexi A for this reason. It seemed to make me too aggressive and irritated. I wonder if IH may have had the same effect???

I settled down back into my work and her into hers. Shortly after I went to spray AMMO. Having not tried it before I’m a proponent of trying mones at home first to see how I react before I try them in public. By the way, my gf knows all about my mones and has some favorites of her own. I typically buy them, so she never has any clue what their supposed to do. I asked her to smell the AMMO (up close) and she said, “You smell like a dude. It doesn’t smell bad, but you’re going to need to cover it with something else.”

I work for about a half hour and decide to switch gears. I started to play a game on my tablet, and about 15-20 minutes in she comes over to give me a hug. She distracted me, made me lose my game, and went to sit on the bed. I was playfully annoyed, and left my game to go play around with her. We’re a very playful couple, and I often nestle my nose in her neck because it makes her laugh. But when I did it this time, with my leg between hers and my thigh firmly pressed against her pu$$! she started to moan. I playfully moaned too, assuming she was kidding. She wasn’t! I kissed her neck, cheek, shoulder, behind her ear, lips and she kept moaning; completely flustered! I was surprised simply because my actions weren’t any different than usual, yet I was getting a totally different reaction.

I continued to kiss her and snuck my hand in her pants, on top of her panties. I began to rub and thrust and play and she got more flustered. She started moaning more and tried to resist, but showed every sign that she wanted me to $&*# her. I’m a huge tease, so I kept on teasing her until I could feel her panties getting wetter. I slipped underneath them and got her to the point she had to push me away. “What the fuck is going on!” DIHL. I could tell she wanted it, but she couldn’t figure out what was making her so horny.

I got her a new pair of panties - we were in the middle of our work day after all - and got her to slip off the soaked ones she had on. Before she could put the other ones on I started $&%*ing her. She was moaning, breathing hard, begging for more all at the same time. I was so surprised at her reactions I was thinking more about the AMMO than anything else. I could smell it on myself, and it smelled a lot better. It’s like it had fused with my natural odor and become less masculine. It smelled good!

Conclusion: AMMO is definitely a turn on to the ladies. While I have to try it in public settings, if I can turn my gf on with it, I’m sure it will effect other women similarly. It takes a while to set in (diffuse), so putting it on at least an 30-60 minutes before leaving the house is ideal. I didn’t notice any self-effects.

Until next time…

Lol the tags on the bottom of your thread are awesome.
Nice to meet you !
I have never tried ammo. Sounds like it worked very well for you!

FuzziKitty!

Yes, it was just an initial test (w/my gf nonetheless), but it was quite effective. I liked it best once it settled. I’m thinking of trying TUTH next. :slight_smile:

I see you’ve tried MX297. How does it make you feel? In my line of work MX297 or A314 would be ideal, but I’m afraid with my Type A personality it wouldn’t turn out well.

If you haven’t tried it, MX300 is excellent. I get respect and others (male and female) listen to me when I wear it - and it doesn’t make me feel aggressive or overly Type A. It also gives me a great boost of self confidence when I’m in high pressure situations. That and MX135 are a staple for me.

Until next time…

Hi :wink: mx297… It makes me feel a little calm. Comfortable. I’m normally a pretty confident person. My personality shifts between a and b and I don’t really fit into a category. When I wear mx297 I feel like it holds me into a category slightly, depending on who I am around and what their personalities are like.
It’s a great product, but for myself one that I must use discretion with.
I bought one togo bottle of TUTH and it sits on my shelf away from my pheromone stash. It isn’t compatible with me. Lol I sprayed once and knew it wasn’t for me. :smiley:

We’re always seeking direct female feedback from those willing to test the Men’s sprays. We’ve soon good results with ladies diluting TUTH & etc. in our Perfumer’s Alcohol.

One reason we code TAL and TAH as Experimone molecules is to remove the male or female bias perceptions. Androstenone is neither male or female, Caucasian, Asian, or otherwise.

We understand some men (and women) have strong views. If our clients call TAH the Marilyn Monroe molecule, men won’t go near a drop. If we say the spray has androstenone, women will shun it in fear of being some “bearded lady.” Neither of theses perceptions is valid, based upon our some 15 years of product development.

Men who stubbornly shun TAH as girlie will miss useful steering pheros essential to good mixing practices. Women who shun the male pheros will likewise miss P75 and P80. We’re of a mind we could release the male or female molecules as MX in a good cologne or perfume and users would be mad for it. ONCE they’ve checked their preconceived notions at the door.

I should only add Women don’t produce as much androstenone as men as they’re not as high in testosterone. But they do make some, as some Test. is essential to normal female sexuality.

Instant Sexiness A or B with a bit of diluted TUTH might be a perfectly suitable experiment for Lesbian, Bi, Curious or other females.

We’d be open to more MX possibilities for Gay and Lesbian if the client base and willingness to support us both with purchases and testing surfaces.

We’re always keen to see how much androstenone and androsterone are viable for women.

Dilutions of most pheros are possible. The 314 I’d have to check with Brian or the lab techs on that. The diffusion package is delicately balanced.

MX297, female user, pleased w day 1

Hi Charles,

Thanks so much! I love testing suggestively “male” pheros! Since I like women, I’m always interested to see which mones attract them. Sometimes it’s the typically “female” pheromones sometimes, while other times it’s the “male” pheromones.

I’m not afraid to try “male” mones because it can actually reveal more about a woman’s personality than she may express verbally. How she reacts to “male” pheromones may indicate her preferences in the bedroom, position in a relationship, etc. I’m testing out a few theories. I’ll post as I find out more.

But like I said before, my biggest concern is the self-effects of “male” pheromones with my type A personality. TAL, TAH, & TUTH are on my list for my next order. Can you explain more about the perfumer’s alcohol? I haven’t dabbled in that type of testing much, but I’d love to. Any other recommendations?

Until next time…

FuzziKitty,

Thanks for the advice with TUTH. Hopefully Charles will get back to me about this perfumer’s alcohol. Maybe it’s something you can use too? What were your dislikes with TUTH?

Until next time…

You may select P. Alc. ¶ as your diluent:

For nearly all sprays you may use unfrag. PA. You’ll lose some longevity. Some diffusion frag. is lost but the spray is somewhat “lighter” due to less DPG, so the diffusion should be adequate. In very cold climates expect best results indoors, room temp. In tropics the impact may be brief but intense.

A314 is one spray with unique components. I’d need to check Brian on diluting that. Would be full experimental. Please spray your product in an empty To Go or atomizer, then add diluent. Please don’t open the sealed bottles as are shipped to you. It’s not necessary.

You can make a full 5mL dilute TUTH with one mL TUTH and 4 mL PA. That’s still rather high -enone for females, but with TAL & etc. would be a very intense club cougar, leopard sort.

You’d see hits from all manner of men and women I should think.

Summer AMMO as well. Diluting the Blue Summer frag. to 1/5 should make it more viable. The balance of eRone and eNone takes it in some novel directions for women.

I will be interested in reading your reports on TUTH. I had a to-go of that a couple of years ago, and I just straight up wore it. I don’t know if I ever wrote about it in my journal, but I do still have my notes somewhere. I will see if I can find them.

As a straight woman, I was mostly using to see what self effects I would get.

somechick,

If you can find your notes that would be awesome! Although, I think I want to do some unbiased testing first. If you have them, hold on to them and I’ll get back to you so we can compare notes.

You have quite an extensive journal by the way. I hope I can get into testing, reporting, and having fun like you!

Until next time…

I have so much waiting in my shopping cart that diluting will have to wait til a future order. ( I’m already over $220 )
I’m still apprehensive about TUTH though. I already have a very dominant sexual and intimidating presence without sprays. Even straight women get figety around me. I require pheromones which soften this. Things like TAH would be THE most sexual I would go with pheromones I think. I’m not really looking for heat, rather I’m looking for cool. For this reason I probably won’t use TAL either.
Despite my sniffing and disliking the way it felt , I later sprayed myself once with TUTH and did some errands. Did NOT have a good experience lol that’s why I know it’s not for me. I’d be afraid to try even small doses.

I’m back! Sorry it’s been a while. Life took a hold of me so I haven’t been able to post, but I didn’t forget to keep track of my pheromones. I’m going to post each day separately as a journal entry.

Just as a disclaimer, forgive the detail, I went pretty heavy, but I promise it’s good stuff. I’m learning to observe the subtle changes in people’s behavior that I previously ignored. I’m a natural observer most of the time unless I have something important on my mind, and then I can get lost in thought easily.

Tuesday, January 20th:

Hang out in the house day and work day for me. My gf was home too. I’ve been reading a lot about pheromone application points and their importance. I actually started (or am going to) a thread on it and also one called Pheromone Pairings. Check ?em out!

So I decided to test application points for self-effects. Since I wasn’t going to be out on this day I figured it would be a good time. I know it’s common and recommended for guys to apply A314 behind the ears. I figured since they have less hair it’s an application point that diffuses well for self and others effect.

I also heard applying to the top of the head (I’m not really sure if that’s the crown or just the forehead, but whatever) is good for self-effects and even temples can help aid optimal diffusion. Hot head I guess.

So, I decided to give it all a try:
1 spray of MX135 behind each ear
2 sprays of IS to the temples, forehead, and hairline ? residue under nose

Now, let me preface this entire thing by explaining my application Method (probably equally as important as application point so any advice would be much appreciated). When I say I sprayed MX135 behind my ear, I didn’t literally spray it. I have had experiences with MX135 on clothes that I still can’t get out. LOL. It’s not a bad thing, but on a day when I don’t want to use MX135, I certainly don’t want it stuck in my hair. Plus I believe mobocaster wrote somewhere that some pheromones grip to hair and can be hard to get out. I have the MX135 TOGO, so I sprayed 1 full spray into the cap. I tipped my head to the side and turned the cap over onto the skin behind my ear. As it dripped I wiped it down my neck, slightly forward, and about halfway down my jawline. I repeated this process on both sides. I did the same thing for IS. I sprayed 1 spray in the cap, but instead of turning it upside down on my forehead (I heard pheromones aren’t good for the eyes?lol) I put my finger in the cap and wiped my finger across my hairline and on my temples. I did this process twice for the left half/right half of my head. I wiped the remaining residue in the cap under my nose.

I’m not sure how the above process affects dosage if at all, but if it does I’d love some suggestions. I’m not too keen on spraying pheromones directly in my face. And I figure using the spray method at best I’d only be able to hit one area (central forehead let’s say), but would then have to spread that 1 spray around anyway. I used my fingers to wipe in both cases by the way.

OMG! Wow! I immediately felt the effects of MX135, as always! Smiling, just feeling good. I love it because as I walk and my hair moves, I get doses of MX135. It’s fucking fantastic! I bent over to pick something up off the floor and when I went to stand up I smelled MX135 all the way?smiling! Whenever I turned my head or rustled my hair I got a dose! Sweet!
The IS settled in a few minutes later ~20 or so, and the combination of those two just made my fucking day! I was happy, chatty, talkative, and productive all day long. I can’t really remember feeling a moment of anxiety or anger or unhappiness all day. In the words of Ice Cube, ?Today was a good day!? The effects took a while to wear off, if they ever really did. I’m not sure I slept that night (I often don’t), but a little turn to the left or the right and my best buddy MX135 was there. :smiley:

Until next time…

Wednesday, January 21st:
I decided to experiment with the application points again, but this time, adding AMMO. Oh boy!
1 spray MX135 behind each ear ? spray cap/wipe method
2 spray IS to the hairline and temples ? spray cap/wipe method
2 sprays of AMMO to the neck/upper chest (wearing v-neck sweater)

After application I realized I was going to have to make errands that day. That only serves as an issue because again, I dress my mones like I do my clothing (see so titled thread). So, wearing a v-neck sweater I had put AMMO on my chest. When I go out, however, I wear a scarf which poses issues for proper diffusion.

About 10 minutes after I apply my pheromones, I get a call that my grocery delivery guy is waiting for me at the door. Perfect, I thought! Good to test! I run down with no jacket, chest open (v-neck), fully mone’d. I open the door, say hello, and get the DIHL look from the delivery guy. I smile and chuckle a little bit. It’s never the same delivery guy, so I don’t have a real baseline, but trust me the DIHL smile look he gave me wasn’t normal. The AMMO is still so damn strong. I can smell it even with the damn freezing air blowing in from outside. As soon as I start to sign for the groceries the door opens from inside behind me. We just got a new neighbor in the building. I knew he was around, but had never met him. A bunch of his buddies helped move him in (I saw from my window) so I assumed he was alone.

I spoke to him, and apologized for being in the way. He asked to get behind me to check something on the wall, so I stepped out the front door a bit to give him space. As I looked back to see that he had enough room he was giving me a dirty look. Very serious face. I chuckled. I signed for my groceries, checked the order, and grabbed the bags. The delivery man mumbled something about two items not being available and me not being charged. He looked at me with his DIHL smile. My neighbor was ready to go out the door, so I let him out. I said something along the lines of him being the new guy and nice to have you in the neighborhood. He hurriedly answered back that he moved in with his wife. I chucked again only because he said it as if I was trying to hit on him, not as if he was offering friendly neighbor info. My delivery guy is STILL standing there staring at me. Lmao! As my neighbor hopped down the outside steps, I said, ?Oh, my name is Terabithia Badass by the way.? I offered my hand and asked him his name. He awkwardly shifted, only carrying a thin notebook, and said, ?Oh, that’s fine. I’m Thomas, Thomas, Thomas. That’s fine.? Lmao! Wow! I would have been offended if it wasn’t so funny! He was totally uncomfortable around me. I looked down at my delivery guy and said, ?I?m all set. Thank you.? He seemed as if he was waiting to be dismissed. IDK. He walked away to his delivery truck, turned and gave me one more DIHL smile, and then left. My neighbor, backtracked and asked me about street parking. I told him to park wherever he wanted, and watched him walk away awkwardly.

I went back upstairs, put the groceries away, and asked my gf if she was ready to go. We had to run some errands and I didn’t want to take all day. She said she was, and disgustedly asked me what I sprayed. I told her don’t worry about it, and kept going. I did notice after I got back upstairs from getting the groceries that the AMMO smell was fairly potent in the house. That shit is so strong, but again, after it settles it’s perfect!

I put my jacket, hat, and scarf on. Initially I had the scarf open in the front because I didn’t want to disrupt the diffusion of the AMMO. But after we got outside it was too damn cold not to put it on properly. As we walked I smelled mostly AMMO, it hadn’t been a half hour and it was still strong. As we walked I noticed a lady around my age staring at me as I we approached one another. During the rest of the walk I didn’t notice anything too significant until we got to the bank. Inside the bank I purposely unzipped my jacket and removed my scarf. The guy in front of me didn’t really react, but a traditionally Muslim lady sitting in the chairs next to where I was standing stared at me, hard. It wasn’t quite unfriendly, but she couldn’t keep from looking at me. I smiled, no smile back.

On the way home we made a stop at the store (we always need something, shit!) and the Indian lady in the store was very friendly and greeted us. This is probably insignificant because she was going to the back anyway, but I mention it just in case. When we got to the register I noticed the cashier was very friendly, she even pointed out a better deal we could get on the product we had selected. She said, ?Have a good day dear.? I found that a bit odd. It’s not really something I get often or a term that I’ve heard used around here much. She smiled at me constantly.

The diffusion was about an hour in and I could now smell the MX135 when the wind blew. We had one more stop to make. As we walked up the street we crossed the path of these two guys, a bit older than me, who stared me down something fierce. I mean they both looked at me as if I had two heads. I didn’t really mind and even smiled at them as I passed. A lady approached us, and smiled sweetly as she caught whiff of my mones. Another lady, albeit older, did the same thing. My gf waited outside as I walked in the store. After getting the item we needed, I went to self-checkout. The lady next to me kept looking over at me, and the guy in the regular checkout line with his wife also kept looking my way. He was the only guy that didn’t stare me down. He kind of just watched me. Finally, on the way home, we walked by another group of guys that had odd looks for me as well. No one was rude, all the guys just seemed like they were trying to figure me out. Lol!

When we got home I ripped off my jacket and scarf and got a whiff of the beautifully settled scent of AMMO. Yum! I felt good. I got whiff of some AMMO mixed with MX135 and I was ?feelin myself?! Lol. I wrote a couple business emails with what seemed like a new sense of confidence mixed with happiness. If I may, I had swagger written all of me.

I was perusing the world wide web (yeah I said it…world wide web!) when I noticed (on a public forum) that a meeting was being held in my city in my entrepreneurial field of expertise. These are the top and up and coming minds in their field, so I was excited! The meeting was the next day and was invite only. Shit, I thought! How the fuck are you going to get in there. There was contact information listed for invitees if they needed information or had questions, so I said, ?Fuck it!? I emailed the guy listed. Now, the events that are about to unfold are partially the result of the fact that I was ?feeling myself? (thank you MX135 & AMMO) and the remainder due to the fact that despite my petite size, I am absolutely fearless. The guy returned my email rather quickly, simply stating he was not the right person to contact, but that he had forwarded my email to the appropriate party. Shortly thereafter, he asked me, in a rather gruff manner (detected even via email), how I had heard about the event because it was a closed event to invitees only. I responded in a sweet, but firm manner that his ?private? event was posted on a ?public? forum, to which I had access and a keen eye for detail. His next email was equally as gruff and he simply asked if I was a member or involved in the industry. Ever so kindly I simply stated that while I was not, it was my intention to be. I informed him that his kind extension of an invitation would afford me the opportunity to network, learn, and even offer my talents where they may be useful. Due to the time gap in his response I concluded he must have consulted with the event chair, after which time he returned to me stating that they would be happy for me to attend. #Swag

I got in! Yes! I was so excited! On an exhilarating high of accomplishment I rushed around the house trying to decide what to wear and making sure that everything I wanted to put on the next day was clean (I hate laundry). I even decided which mones I would pair (checkout my thread Pheromone pairings) with the outfit based upon the environment I would be in. Once that was done, I researched the names of some of the speakers, including the keynote, so I would have some knowledge and wasn’t flying in completely blind. To give you an idea, this is equivalent to an NYPD rookie being invited to a national security meeting at the White House. It was that paramount for me.

I love this mix, and will have to try it again (dirty looks and all)!

Until next time…

I thought about abbreviating the below, but then I thought, it’s my fucking journal! I can write what I want! If it’s too much, I understand, but it’s great, detailed pheromone research. Take it all in baby! Thanks for enjoying my journey with me!

Thursday, January 22nd:

1.5 sprays MX135 behind my ears/down neck and jawline
.5 spray of MX135 under my nose
2 sprays of IS: 1 to either half of my forehead/temple
1 spray of IS to the top of my head
1 spray of IS to the back of my hair/neck
2 sprays of IO: 1 to the back of each hand

D Day! Time for my big meeting/event! I woke up excited! About 5 minutes before leaving the house (about 45 minutes before the event) I put to use the knowledge of the prior two days. I applied 1.5 sprays of MX135 behind my ears; letting it drip down my neck a bit and then pulling it toward my jawline. I let this dry before applying IS high on my neck. 1 spray to my left and another spray to the right side, below the MX135. I sprayed 2 additional sprays of IS; 1 to the top of my hair and one to the back of my hair/neck (I’ve got a bob so it usually lands on my hair/neck equally). I did .5 spray of MX135 under my nose. I put lotion on my hands, and then applied 1 spray of IO to the back of my hands (thank you FuzziKitty). I put on a coconut Caribbean scent that pairs nicely with MX135. If I use a perfume, I always (try to) spray it on my clothes and not on my skin. I only spray the mones on my skin. I took the IO with me (TOGO) because I am an incessant hand-washer and I knew it would come off at some point.

Time to go to work baby!
I walked to the event (again which is very common in this city). Even a 30 minute walk isn’t really bad as long as it’s not freezing cold. Besides my jacket I wore a lightweight hat which covered my ears, and actually still had some IS/MX135 residue on it from the day before. (side note: MX135 has some staying power when it comes to fabrics. I have this shirt that I swear I have washed 30 times, but often have worn MX135 with. Every time I put it on I get whiff of MX135?it?s kind of amazing!). I also wore gloves, which is another reason I carried the IO TOGO. I actually wore one glove simply because it was hard to navigate my phone with both on. As I walked I felt good. I was happy, feeling friendly, and smiling. Since it was early there were plenty of people walking on the street. It’s kind of a college town so professors, students, and professionals alike hustled the streets as I made my way to the meeting (which was on the campus of one of the local colleges). The first person I ran into was a man (whom I noticed as I past appeared to have down syndrome ? he carried the trademark physical characteristics associated with the condition). As I past I smiled, said good morning, and continued walking. I’m not sure if he was going in my direction before I past, but he certainly was after I walked by. While he did not respond to my morning greeting, as I walked, he walked in step with me. If I slowed down, so did he, and I sped up, he did as well. He was walking a respectful distance I guess, but he was close enough to catch my scent(s) and I could see him out of the corner of my left eye. He was with me for about two blocks before disappearing ? I assume he crossed the street somewhere along the way.

I caught another gentleman’s eye well before I was in his path and he gave me a kind smile and followed me with his eyes as I walked past ? in a non-creepy way. As I came to an intersection, the man whom was already at the cross made eye contact well before I was within conversational distance and nodded his head with a simple ?Hello.? I said a simple ?Hi?, and crossed with him. At another intersection, a lady standing there made extended, expressionless eye contact. I looked back a few times to assess whether it was positive or negative, but got no read whatsoever. As I crossed the campus I made eye contact with every person whose path I crossed. I am generally friendly, and do speak to people, but there’s never a day when I make eye contact with everyone! I smiled at everyone, some said hi, some simply smiled back, some nodded, some said nothing. It was a mixed bag. I did notice most guys spoke, while the variant of people who did not speak were mostly female.

Distinctly significant are hits that occurred at a particular crossing. I was at the cross of a busy, 4 lane, 50+ mile an hour, one-way street. I was the only person standing on my side, with about 6 people on the other side. Now, let me preference this by saying I am no stranger to busy cities. From NY to the Las Vegas Strip to London to Chicago, I’ve been a pedestrian in the best of ?em. Generally, when you’re at a crossing, people are looking around at the buildings, messing with their phones, checking traffic for a moment to sneak across, etc. Not this time. Being the only person on the one side, with multiple people on the other I exchanged a long glance with each person. I was downwind or upwind, or whatever the fuck it is when the wind blows from my direction to theirs. Lol. I literally made extended eye contact with each person across from me. Even being the only person on the other side waiting, there were plenty of people walking behind me and plenty of other things to divert their attention. This event is significant because one particular gentleman (second from the left) never broke eye contact. I was so amazed by this I (guess) I never broke eye contact either. I was trying to read him. He wasn’t weird, or mean looking, just intrigued. At some point I caught someone beginning to cross the street out the corner of my eye, and as it natural, a few started walking too. Instinctively I did so too, still keeping eye contact with the guy as we moved closer to each other. I decided to throw him a smile and when I did he smiled back and looked away, almost blushing. I heard a lady, crossing in the opposite direction say, ?Ooops.? I was in such a trance trying to read this guy I didn’t even notice the street wasn’t ?ours?, and as I walked the final 5? across the intersection I noticed I had stopped traffic. LOL! I have uber blonde moments! Trust me! LOL! I hurried across the street, and hopped on the curb. Delightfully even in morning rush hour no one honked! Did my IS hit all the drivers of the city too! LOL. Just kidding!

Having never been on this campus before I got turned around, and thus paid a bit less attention to my surroundings. I found a building and walked inside. Having not been in the city all that long I’m not sure I have pulse yet on the general demeanor. When I go ?into town? if you will, I’m better at judging the crowd. That being the case, I’ve learned to let my mones ?go to work!? whenever possible. If they can precede me and set the tone, I’m all for it. That said, as I entered the building I unzipped my jacket and fanned a bit, ensuring my mones reached the receptionist before I did. I paused a moment, to make sure they reached their destination. He smiled. Gotcha!! ?Hi. May I ask you to direct me to XYZ building, please?? ? I was raised properly with impeccable manners, which I use most of the time. ?Of course. Blah blah blah.? He smiled again. I said thank you and he smiled while watching me exit the building. I zipped my coat back up ? it was cold as shit after walking for about a half hour. I followed his directions, which were prefect. I came to a gated/guarded pedestrian area, and noticed a guy in front of me who seemed like he was going to the same place I was. The event started at 9:30 and as he exited his car, he checked his watch and the sign to ensure he was at the appropriate place. I sped up just a bit so I was close enough to him that I could sneak in with him, possibly unnoticed by the guard. He greeted the guard by name, and as the guard returned the greeting I quickly also said ?Good morning!? and hurried past in step with the gentleman. The guard shack was open just enough that I know he caught a good whiff of my mones, as did my cover guy in front of me. ?Well, good morning,? he said. ?Morning!? I said. A student passed at just that moment and said ?Good morning!? Weren’t we all just the happy bunch! LOL.

The guy was going to the exact building (and meeting) I was going to. I stayed in step with him the whole time, trying not to be creepy, but trying to appear to passersby that we were together. As we entered the building, he unzipped his jacket and presented a badge and was immediately let through a turnstyle by a guard. ?Damn!? I thought. How are you going to navigate this? ?Excuse me. May I help you?? said the guard. Mones go to work baby, I thought! I unzipped my jacket, fanned a bit, took a deep breath indicating I had walked quite a distance in the cold, pulled of my lone glove, and leaned into the guard.

Ever so sweetly, ?Good morning. How are you today??

?Good and you?? he said.

?Just fine. I’m here for the 2015 Annual XYZ Day.?

?Well, right. Are you a student? Do you have an invitation??

?No, but I was personally invited by Dr. Badass and Mr. Smith.?

?But you don’t have an invitation??

I presumptuously and purposely began to fill in the visitor log with my information. ?No, but I was personally invited to attend.? He instinctively began to peel off a visitor’s sticker and proceeded to hand it to me. (Thank you Dale Carnegie)

?Right. Do you have some sort of letter or documentation??

?Of course. Just give me one moment.? I pulled out my phone and showed him the last email from Mr. Smith which stated he had talked to Dr. Badass and they would love for me to attend.

?Oh, ok then. You do have a personal invite don’t you.? He jotted a few things down on a sheet of paper and asked me for my name again. ?Well it’s right behind me on the right. It’s going to be a special event.?

?I hope so. Thank you!? And I hurried through the turn style before he had a chance to ponder what just happened.

?Enjoy!? he yelled as a hurried to the meeting room.

The event was held in a lecture hall which seated about 200 people. There were about 80 people in attendance.

When I entered the lecture hall there was a speaker at the podium. There were two people (1m, 1f) on the steps leading down to the seats. I decided to stand. I fully unzipped my jacket and immediately noticed glances from the two on the steps. Another lady walked in from the other entrance and stood rather close considering where she entered. She glanced over and smiled. After about 15 minutes the speaker concluded, and as he answered questions I made my way down to my seat (which I had picked when as I stood waiting). The seat I selected was about 4 rows up on the left-hand side of the hall, directly in front of the podium. It wasn’t optimal for viewing the presentation as seats on the right-hand side and in higher rows had a better vantage point (this will be significant later). I didn’t notice her come in, but a lady who apparently entered behind me came and sat right next to me. She smiled and said hi. Now, to give you a lay of the land. I selected a seat which put me one seat away from a lady already seated at the end of the row when I entered the hall (less the women who chose to sit right next to me), there was one lady directly in front of me, and one guy directly behind the lady at the end of the row. I had about 4 people within a 6ft radius. I’m not quite sure of the diffusion distance of mones or whether it is dependent upon the size of the room; I have to guess that has something to do with it. I note my locale and the people around me because it will become significant later. I also note that the only time individuals changed seats was during session breaks ? not after each speaker.

In this first session I received the following hits:

  • Guy seated at the end of the row behind me (effectively two seats over one seat up) gave me awkward glances every now and then. They weren’t pleasant, but I later learned that appeared to be his normal demeanor.
  • Lady next to me was very fidgety. Like a child in church daydreaming about the playground. She shifted left, right, crossed her legs, uncrossed her legs, smiled, and seemed to hold her fingers to her mouth as if preventing an outburst.
  • The lady directly in front of me began twirling her hair and fidgeting a bit.
  • Nothing noticeable from the lady at the end of my row, although I couldn’t observe her properly with the lady between us.

During the session break:

  • I noticed while in line for refreshments people in front of me turned around quite a few times and smiled. I said hi and smiled back, but no one ever said anything to me. They talked happily among themselves.
  • I had to use the restroom, so after washing my hands I sprayed 2 more sprays of IO, one to the back of each hand.
  • Everyone was very nice during the remainder of the break. I got lots of long glances, smiles, and friendly hellos. Oddly enough, no one really engaged in conversation with me. However, I did stand out from the crowd with my bright green visitor’s sticker on my chest. Everyone else had a credentials. Even though I stuck out a bit, still no one fully engaged.

During the second session ? after application of 2 IO (2 hours and 1 handwashing after initial application):

  • I was blown away by the seating shift. As loose items I only had with me my backpack (yes I carry one) and my jacket. I carried my backpack with me between sessions because it had my personal information in it, but left my jacket draped over the chair where I was sitting. With the exception of a male and female who were already seated in the row in front of me, I was the first to my seat.
  • As the session began (and let me remind you there are 200 seats in this hall, and about 80 people in attendance ? plenty of empty seats), people seemed to fill in around me.
  • The lady who sat directly in front of me before reclaimed her seat, next to a woman she apparently didn’t know. She introduced herself to the woman and started talking incessantly. The other woman couldn’t get a word in edge-wise.
  • Directly to her left sat two males who were not there previously.
  • The lady who previously sat next to me did not return, but the lady at the end of the row did.
  • The guy behind her returned, and shot me a quick smile before quickly returning to his characteristic, awkward demeanor.
  • Directly behind me now sat three characters who were previously one row above (2f, 1m)
  • Most notably, the lady who sat directly behind me (who I noted played for my team ? GirlsONGirls?lol) repeatedly too deep breaths. She inhaled deeply as if sniffing me or enjoying my scent ? Rock on bitch, I thought playfully! ? I smelled my MX135 + IS, I loved it, and rustled my hair every now and then just to hit her with a bit more.
  • Additionally, the lady in front of me (chatter box) was one of the speakers ? Ooops! OMG! When she got to the podium she seemed flustered. I saw her during the break and she seem like a poised individual. She was a bit red and said ?um? an unprofessional amount of times while at the podium. Now most of you would say, oh, she’s nervous talking in front of people. Before jumping to that conclusion let me remind you I was in the big leagues. The work she was presenting was a topic on which she has spent the better part of the last 2 years, plus, this is part of her profession. National security remember, not rookie officer in NYPD reporting on traffic conditions on 35th and Lex. I’m pretty sure the freshly applied IO got to her.
  • I laughed to myself a number of times during this session, especially at the lady breathing deeply behind me. She kept doing it. I thought she was going to cause herself to pass out! Lmao!
  • At some point two guys in the row in front of me left (one later came back), and a lady (who smiled at me as she sat) and guy sat nearby ? again, there were a million other seats.

*10 people chose to sit within about a 6ft radius of me (I only counted one row in front & behind me so it may have been a smaller radius than that). Ratio 6:4 male to female then 6:5 male to female after 1 guy left.

During the lunch break:

  • I again stood in line (for lunch) and the people in front of me (different this time) kept looking back at me and smiling. I said hi, but no real conversation. The lack of conversation may have been heavily weighed on me simply because, again, I was a bit out of my league. Some of these people have been in this industry longer than I’ve been alive, and while I’m intelligent, I don’t have the expertise they do. Needless to say I guess I was a bit intimidated about carrying on conversations about topics which I have general knowledge, but very little experience.
  • After grabbing a few things I settled at the end of a table, a good place to observe. The conversations were abundant and free flowing. Most conversations were industry related so I listened and picked up ?nuggets?.
  • I noticed a speaker (Speaker X) I was particularly interested in coming down the run as she selected her lunch items. Remember I told you I was fearless, as intimidating as I knew the moment would be, I decided to speak to her. She mentioned some things in her talk that alluded to her and I having lived/worked in the same area. After she settled with a group she seemed to know well, probably her team, I moved in close and listened, nodding, and engaging myself in their conversation. Everyone was receptive to me being there, and one guy (French) kept intense eye contact with me as he spoke.
  • Speaker X broke away for a moment, and as she did I pounced. I asked where she was from and we began chatting. Once she got going she talked about home, life, politics, culture, and her travels. Oddly enough she spoke very little about her work ? I was thankful for that as I wasn’t really interested in her work as much as I wanted to make a networking connection. It was a fantastic conversation, and through it I discovered she actually worked at the University ? score! She invited me to stop by and see her anytime. I re-introduced myself and thanked her.
  • I had to use the restroom again, and thus had to wash my hands again. I washed them a bit more carefully trying not to get water on the back in the area where I sprayed IO. After washing though my hands were dry, so applied lotion which was scented. I didn’t want to mess up the vibe I had going on, so I shared 1 spray of IO between the back of both of my hands. No mas, I thought!

During the third session I decided to switch things up a bit. I figured, for the sake of research, I would change my seat, not drastically, but just enough that if the number of people around me was anything similar to the last session, I would know I was on to something (1 additional spray of IO 5 hours after initial application and 3 hours after 1st reapplication and two hand-washings):

  • Craziness! I moved my seat 3 seats (from seat 3 to seat 6).
  • I won’t give exact positions of anyone other than the 3 people who sat behind me previously (Ms. GirlsONGirls) also moved down; they added 1 male they knew to their group. In fact, Ms. GirlONGirl insisted they move down and she ended up sitting behind me again, one seat over. She didn’t repeatedly inhale deeply this time.
  • The only other person I noticed, probably because I’m gay as hell and she was rather cute, was a female who had previously been two rows behind me and about 10-12 seats down. She moved and sat on my row about 3 seats down from me on my right. If I didn’t have a gf I would have gotten her number. (Shit, I might get it anyway ? ?I?m networking baby. It’s just business.?)

*13 people initially chose to sit within a 6ft radius of me. Ratio 8:5 male to female. Three more people came, totaling 16 people that chose to sit within a 6ft radius of me AFTER I moved my seat. Ratio 10:6 male to female. Only 4 of those 16 were repeats from the previous session, and everyone who sat near me was in the earlier sessions previously seated somewhere else. The left-hand side of the hall seemed to remain in the same configuration of people.

During the final break:

  • The lady who seemed uncomfortable that sat right next to me in the first session (I hadn’t seen her since that first session) came up to me out of nowhere. At first she didn’t know what to say, and just kept nodding her head. I spoke and she asked me what team or group I was representing. I explained as clearly as I could that I had gotten a personal invitation, but would be associated come this Fall, hopefully with the local University. As soon as I told her I wasn’t ?one of them? she, ?Oooohhhh.? She smiled, nodded, and turned her attention to one of her colleagues. Lmao! Ok lady, I thought!
  • That incident turned me off a bit. I continued to smile, but made a phone call and returned to the hall before the final session began. I contemplated changing my seat again, but I figured it would skew the data so I kept my ass still!
  • I noticed Speaker X was in the room, but clear on the other side. She glanced down and smiled at me a few times. I smiled, and tried not to make further eye contact, although I noticed her looking at me a few times.
    Final session! (No more applications of any pheromones. I did use some alcohol based hand sanitizer, but on the front of my hands only, avoiding the area where I sprayed IO). This is 7 hours after initial application. Self-effects of the pheromones are far less intense, but I can tell they’re still there. Plus, no matter how much you love any topic, 7 hours of meetings, speakers, and presentations starts to wear on you after a while ? mones be damned!
  • The hottie who sat 3 seats to my right in the previous session was gone ? fuck! LOL. I actually didn’t see her at all.
  • The group that had been stalking me was still around. Still in the row behind me, they shifted one seat down, and Ms. GirlONGirl actually sat one row up from them.
  • The same cast of characters (slightly diminished in number because it was getting late) surrounded me, but in slightly different configurations, mainly because 2 of the guys were involved with the keynote address so they sat closer to the end, but still in the row right in front of me.
  • One guy who had been on my count the entire time, but always in the same seat in the row in front of me now sat 2 seats down from me on the same row.
  • Other than that I didn’t notice anything significant.
  • I had been looking for Dr. Badass and Mr. Smith (whom I had to thank for my last minute invitation) the entire time. I tried to read name tags, but none of them were they guys I was looking for. Someone called Dr. Badass out by name to thank him for organizing such a great event and brining people from all over the world to speak. Boom! Found you! Yes!

After the session ended I approached Dr. Badass but was cut off by a speedy talking fellow. I went to go grab a card and some material left by some of the speakers on the podium. I approached Dr. Badass again, but was again cut off by another guy. Fuck! Finally I just shoved my hand out, in a friendly manner, and said Dr. Badass, my name is Random Future Badass. He remembered my name by email which is amazing because as unique as my name is, it’s so damn hard for people to remember. He apologized for the 5th degree I was put through, but thanked me for reaching out and attending. I thanked him, and let him know definitively that he would see me again in the future and I hoped to possibly work beside him. He welcomed me, and told me he’d be following me. Oh shit, I thought! I have a way of making an impression, and then being forced to maintain it. Boldness is bittersweet.

I decided to walk home instead of taking transit or a taxi. It was a good time to reflect. Since it was cold as hell I zipped up tight and put my hat on, again with one glove. No real noticeable hits on the way home. I even stopped in the store to grab a few things. The only slight hit I got there was from a guy in the aisle who seemed to follow me a bit. I was cold, tired, and mentally exhausted so I paid no attention to him whatsoever.

When I got in the house my gf, who missed me after being away all day, gave me big hug. She’s slightly taller than me, so I always notice when she nestles her nose in my neck. She did and said, ?MMmmmm.? As much as she doesn’t like the MX135 when I initially spray it, mixed with my natural body odor she loves it!

In conclusion, this is a great mix for social events and events where you may not know people. You feel good, confident, friendly, and open. And others are nice, smile, and get that chatterbox effect if you engage with them. If you loathe chatterbox then just spray less IO. But IO on the hands is magic! I might try some other mones there in the future.

Until next time…

Love IO so much! Do you use a 30 ml bottle? i imagine washing hands and reapplying gets expensive ! I wash my hands a lot too, and started spraying IO a little higher on my hands, like the back of wrists area, and it works just as well for me. Keeps me from having to reapply after every hand-wash.
Thanks for sharing your experiences with us :slight_smile:

I have the 1X and 2X TOGO. I haven’t decided which I like more yet. Sometimes 2X gets people waaayyy to open. Lol.

Until next time…

I must admit I’m a bit of a slacker when it comes to posting. I feel like I’m typing, conferencing, collaborating, and marketing on my laptop all day. So, when I break from it, I truly break! Lol. I still try to keep accurate accounts of my experiences, but obviously writing about them the day the happen is best. I’ll try to do better. Promise.

I’m not sure what day it was, but it was earlier this week. Monday or Tuesday let’s say. I’m still on my AMMO kick. I like to get solid results on a pheromone before I make my final decision. After this day, I’ve made my final decision about AMMO. :slight_smile:

2 sprays of IO to either side of my neck
2 sprays of AMMO to the front of my neck
1 spray of IS to my cleavage
2 sprays of IO; 1 each to the back of my hand

I had to run some typical errands late in the morning, around 10am or so. My gf was still sleeping so I decided to go solo. Since she sometimes likes to wear (my) pheromones I always have to be careful about observations if we go out together.

It was kind of a chilly day, but I wore a low cut sweater and although I had my jacket on, I left it unzipped - exposing my chest. Since AMMO is so damn strong to start I was hoping this would also help tone it down a bit faster. When I got to the cross a lady pulled up on her bike adjacent to me as she was riding with traffic. She was looking around nervously, but didn’t make eye contact with me.

As I crossed the street about a block up I noticed a thin, young middle eastern man approaching me. I intentionally smiled. He began to smile back, but as he got closer it almost seemed as if he couldn’t quite eek out the smile because he was perplexed. I continued to smile, nodded, and kept walking. A few steps later something told me to look back, I did, and he had turned around and was looking dead at me. He seemed to have mixed emotions about me. Lol.

I passed an elderly gentleman and two middle aged ladies as I walked none of which gave any hits. As I approached the next cross I smelled the distinct fragrance of marijuana. People smoke it all over this city - an no, it’s not legal here. The smell didn’t dissipate so I assumed it was coming from the young girl (with backpack) at the cross adjacent to me. She didn’t see me approach because she was stuffing her face with a chocolate pastry (munchies :smiley:). But, after I crossed her path and my mones hit her and she whipped around like she expected to see a hot guy behind her. I only say that because she did a sexy over the shoulder slight body turn. Umm, there was no guy there. Just me at the other cross. Lmao! I stood so that I could observe her without appearing to be looking at her or staring. She must have looked back at me half a dozen times. She was intrigued, but seemed somewhat unsure.

I crossed the street and went into my first stop. Its a store I visit quite often, so I’m used to the staff and they’re used to me…although they never speak to me. Ever! Until today! After grabbing something I went up to the register. For the first time ever the guy spoke to me, and smiled. I’ve been in this store at least twice a week for the past month and a half or so, every time the person behind the counter, usually this guy, is either talking to someone or just doesn’t say anything outside of “Hi.” Today, he spoke, smiled, and even asked me how my day was. Lol. I smiled back only because my first thought was, “Dude! You’re gay!” I never paid attention to his body language, but today he seemed extra effeminate. Seriously! I told him I was good and asked him his name. He leaned into me, smiling, and said “Why? Nothing’s wrong is it?” I laughed to myself again and said no I just wanted say thanks. As I left I told him to have a nice day. I guess the IO made us both a bit more friendly, and even made him show his true rainbow colors. Lol.

As I walked to my next destination I came across another woman in her 20’s that didn’t really make eye contact. Two other women, mothers with strollers, paused their conversation after I passed and started whispering to one another. I couldn’t hear the convo, but I’ll take that as a hit.

Most notably, as I walked further, guys continuously and consistently gave me perplexed looks - DIHL. I mean one guy after another after another. It was weird, but entertaining at the same time. One guy, however, kind of scared me. He crossed to my side of the street and our paths crossed as he stepped onto the curb. From the minute his foot hit the curb he locked eyes with me and looked at me as though he were angry - almost like he would have punched me if I wasn’t a girl. That threw me for a loop.

Finally, after a few other stops with no real hits, I stopped in a grocery store on the way home to get some snacks. This was interesting. A line of all females and a female cashier. As I stood in line the female in front of me (younger) kept looking back. She seemed interested, not confused. However, the lady behind me, 50 or so, just couldn’t keep her shit together. She was standing so close my gf probably would have kicked her ass. Lol. Her body was literally touching mine, and when I looked back at her she dropped her candy. Then she leaned forward, body still touching mine, and grabbed another piece of candy from the cash wrap. I moved forward so our bodies weren’t touching, and then she dropped her money. I was like WTF! It just wasn’t her day. When I got to the register the lady, early 40s or so, held eye contact with me the entire time. She smiled and stared at me while bagging my things and taking my money. I didn’t realize until after I got halfway home she even gave me too much change back!

Conclusion: I might have to pull back on the AMMO. It definitely needs to be femmed up a bit. The ladies love it and they react flirtatiously towards me. Win! However, some guys get so confused they seem angry. Not a good thing. On the one hand I’m entertained when I wear AMMO simply because for once I’m not objectified by males. I had a great time walking down the street (with my cleavage out mind you) and NOT getting those “Mmmmm. I’d like to fuck you.” smiles. As a gay female the objectifying glances, innuendos, smiles, winks, etc. from guys are sooooo annoying. Although aggressive, I’m not a stud so to speak. I have my stud days…cap, fitted/athletic shirt, jeans. But I love my heels. I’m somewhere in between - my friends call me a Stem…lmao. Anyhow, I’m going to pair the AMMO with maybe ISEXI. I want to see how it will work.

Until next time…

Ok, ok, ok, last AMMO post, promise! I’m not the one hit wonder tester, I (try to) test my pheromones over a number of days in a number of situations.

So, I forgot this one. It’s from last Friday. My gf went with me.

She was wearing:
2 sprays IS to the neck
2 sprays IO to the chest

I was wearing:
2 sprays MX135 behind each ear
2 sprays IS to the neck and chest
2 sprays IO; 1 to the back of each hand

I booked a tour of one of the local universities. I’m considering my options for the next level in my career and wanted to see what they had to offer. To help set the stage a little bit, my gf is very introverted. She usually doesn’t speak first when she’s around new people, and although she’s sweet enough in her own right, her shyness is often construed as her having an attitude or being mean/rude. It’s hard to bring her into networking situations with me for that reason alone. She can kill a deal before we even get started!

The person hosting me for the tour was a young, red-headed girl. Love me a natural red-head, so sexy! Her’s wasn’t natural, but…anyway I digressed! She had been in the program I’m considering for 2 years. When we first met we didn’t shake hands, I just said hi and she did too. We smiled and started our journey. Now, through this whole thing my gf is trailing behind us. She really isn’t much for meeting new people so after I respectfully introduced her, she didn’t say a word throughout the whole tour.

My guide, let’s call her K, was very personable as guides should be. K seemed a bit nervous at first, but the campus was boisterous due to graduation ceremonies that day. As we stopped in the union K seemed to calm down a bit as she explained it was her favorite place on campus. I was attentive and smiled, and she seemed to relax the more positive (body language) feedback I gave her. As we moved through the union my gf got stopped by a graduate and asked if she could take a picture for them. I heard the request, and slowed down, but K kept moving. When she noticed she stopped near a set of stairs. As we waited for my gf K stood rather close to me. I didn’t think too much of it.

As the tour went on K seemed to get closer and closer to me. At some point we were talking shoulder to shoulder as we walked, almost like old friends. K smiled and leaned into me every chance she got. She stood close, looking into my eyes. It was almost as if K was attracted to me, but also wanted to be my friend. The tour was supposed to take 45 minutes and we took about an hour and 15. At the end, however, K didn’t want to leave. She kept asking me if I had more questions or if she could take me anywhere else or if she could do anything for me, “anything at all”. After saying I was “Fine. Thanks.” about 10 times she finally parted ways.

Conclusion: I like this mix. I’ll try it again but it seems to work well enough. The MX135 tones down the AMMO very well. No DIHL or WTF looks from guys this time.

Also, these kind of (pheromone) interactions with females always intrigue me. I wonder sometimes if (my gf didn’t go with me) I could have taken the situation further. When I’m in situations like this I always have to be cognizant of her because she’s THAT quiet . She won’t complain, but I know it bothers her when people are drawn to me. She has a jealousy (no matter who it is) we don’t speak about much, but we both know is there. Some of the pheromones I purchase I get just so she will try them! IO is a good example. But we all know pheromones aren’t everything, you have to have the presence to match it. She doesn’t do that.

A perfect example is the other day I had her wear CTTM, IS, and IO. I purposely didn’t wear anything so I wouldn’t skew results and I could stand back and play observer. She didn’t get any real hits, a few smiles here and there, until we passed these workers on the street. A guy yelled from the top of his truck, “Eh, hola mami. Senorita aye!” I laughed and looked back at him. She just kept walking! Didn’t even break stride or look back, and barely even smiled. I was like, “You didn’t want to say hi.” She said, “Whatever.” and changed the subject. I was a bit annoyed, but let it go. She’s told me before she likes IS, but simply for the self effects. Its like with IS or no IS she’s too nervous to talk to anyone and isn’t interested in conversation. Jeeze! What do to with this chick?!

Until next time…

Hey T! :slight_smile:

Just checking in if you’re account is working back to normal. I intentionally posted here because I know a notification will pop in your email once I submitted this. :smiley:

You may delete this post once you’re back on. :slight_smile:

Welcome back! Plenty of bi-female newbies are signing in. :slight_smile:

Thanks, Dee. I’m glad to be back! So much to write about. I’ll say hi to the bi girls soon. :slight_smile: I’ve seen some posts I really wanted to reply to. Thanks again!

Until next time…