Been a while since I posted. I pop in from time to time. I was wanting to get some advice. There’s a chick at work who has a boyfriend. However, me and her talk quite a bit. Multiple times she has said something negative about her boyfriend. (Obvious sign) We flirt, etc etc. I’d like some tips on what to wear around her? Wore some IS and Ammo and that seemed to be pretty good. She’s kind of a shy person. Maybe some IO? I have IJ, IO, IS, IG, mx297, CTTM2, and Ammo. I’m out of TUTH and MX 301 
. I’m wanting to build more of a sexual attraction but have to be careful because of the environment. Thoughts? Thanks.
I’d suggest to keep AMMO in the combo and use CTTM2 or IO with it. Really, these would be what normally works best with shy people… IMO, IO would be fine, but as you have the best of both worlds, IO and IH, in CTTM2, then this could work as well.
With this, you have more control as to how sexy or sexual you want it to be…
Oh, and BTW, glad to see ya around wii! 
I wouldn’t risk the possible drama if there’s a boyfriend involved. Saying something negative about him doesn’t necessarily mean she’s ready to dump him. She might be irritated about something with him and feels it’s okay to vent her frustrations in front of you with the assumption that you two will never meet.
If she wasn’t a co-worker, it’d be different, but all it takes is the wrong kind of misunderstanding and your work situation will get uncomfortable really fast.
Talking bad about the boyfriend is not always an obvious sign. We’ve all been down that road before where the friend bashes the girl or guy and we chime in, next thing you know we walk into a room there they are sitting together and you get the, “I hear you were talking shit about me” speech or look.
Also, she could just feel real comfort with you to the point that she can discuss her problems. You could already be friend zoned, but then the only way you’ll ever know is to cross the line so to speak.
So now, you have to decide if this is all worth it. Is it worth “losing a friend?” Is it worth losing a job? Or as data has said, create such an uncomfortable work environment that you’re now stuck with.
I’ve been on a plan to just speak my mind anymore. I just say what I want, what I’m feeling and let the chips fall where they may. I’ve spent too many a night full of regret… as Zach Brown would say…“Don’t be fallin’ in love as she’s walkin’ away.”
Sorry I didn’t want advice on what I should do. Only on what mones to wear. +1 1alpha.
Maybe some IO with your IS and Ammo? If you have decent responses already, I would tend to try and build on that rather than change your sig altogether.
Mind you, I wouldn’t place a great deal of faith in or encourage her talking down her boyfriend either but other forms of flirting/attention may be a better sign?
Saying all that, MX297 and Ammo might also be a useful tool?
Agree on the IS/IO/Ammo mix.
But a woman complaining about a boyfriend is such a double sided sword it’s almost a not even worth considering an IOI.
See, on the one hand, yeah a woman COULD complain or speak ill of a boyfriend to a guy that she’s interested in in order to dangle a little motivation in front of him in the hopes that he’ll come along and rescue her from an unhappy relationship and be the man she wishes her boyfriend could be.
On the other hand it can also (and frankly is more often the case) be a situation where she’s looking for an emotional tampon. The BF is obviously affecting her on an emotional level. Women respond to emotional stimulus better than logic and sadly a lot of women tend to gravitate toward a negative emotion since it’s often very intense (we call these women drama queens). You can be the shoulder she cries on and the ear she bends when she wants to gripe about what he does or doesn’t do that pisses her off but the bottom line is that if she really wasn’t happy with him she’d leave him all on her own. There’s not a lot of risk for a woman to dump a guy, usually when a relationship ends the woman will get picked up on the rebound a LOT faster than the guy will. So she could dump him and meet somebody else in short order if she was truly unhappy. It’s usually more like she feels frustrated (women are very verbal and sometimes simply talking about something is all they need to get past their feelings) however the BF has probably already communicated and “conditioned” her not to bother him with negativity…so she looks for another outlet. Friend Zone Guy, Friend Zone Guy will listen and let her vent thinking that all of the negative feedback about the BF he’s hearing is a sign of hope. It’s not. There are two problems with being that guy.
First, she’s with you…but you’re talking about him, which means HE is the one dominating her thoughts at the time, not you.
Second, when she’s creates a “connection” where she’s always complaining when she’s with you and you become connected in her mind to those negative emotions.
So never let a convo with the BF last too long, steer the convo to you and her, or even something neutral but never let it be about him…if she wants to bitch about a guy she has girlfriends for that.
AND always keep things on an UP note, create a fun and positive association in her mind.
This won’t guarantee you’ll get the girl, in fact I’m against trying to break up an existing relationship anyway. (if she’s unhappy she can and should leave on her own accord). BUT it WILL help prevent you from being the guy she only calls when she’s pissed and needing to vent while she continues to sleep with another guy.
Looks at RAD and wonders if I should mention something about the “Boyfriend Destroyer Technique” 
Umm I think you should share 
Here’s the thing with the boyfriend destroyer techniques.
First off imo they don’t actually exist. Sure there are systematic ways to highlight another mans flaws and have the woman think these are realizations she’s coming to but ultimately the relationship has to be pretty weak to begin with.
Secondly, focusing on learning a specific set of tactics designed specfically for ending a relationship shifts your own internal focus on the girl (I always mention being attached to outcome expectations) and does nothing for simply developing your own self improvement and development of attractive qualities.
And finally, unless the relationship is abusive toward the woman, AND you are certain that you plan to pursue something long term with her, it’s five different kinds of fucked up. You could possibly be breaking up what might one day be a happily married couple for a short term fling. Anyone that’s followed RSD knows about abundance mentality and scarcity mentality. Why bother learning techniques to break up somebody elses relationship when you should have the techniques and inner game that for every girl that says she has a boyfriend you can go find five that are available?
Ultimately the only true boyfriend destroyer is to simply be so attractive in terms of value, and develop enough comfort and rapport that she feels closer to you than she does to him. This is not single night game but extended game that only comes when you adopt an attractive lifestyle and personality. BE the better choice, if you are a woman will see it. If you sense that she genuinely loves the BF and is actually happy, don’t be a dick and use some verbal trickery to end the relationship.
The advice I gave above wasn’t intended to serve as a bf destroyer but rather a tactic to avoid falling into the trap of being used emotionally.
Yup, pretty much what I thought.
Rad should write a book.
There is no mone that will make her break up with her boyfriend or think its ok to sleep with you while she is still with him. Pheromones do not work that way.
Now if you just want her to think your sexy then AMMO will do it but just because she finds you sexually attractive dosent mean she will act on it.
Negative comments to you about her boyfriend do not mean she is open to your advances. Its not a obvious sign of anything other then she considers you a trusted friend. They dont mean she wants to replace him with you or anyone else. She could be just blowing off some steam or looking for a guys perspective. Flirting doesn’t always indicate sexual attraction either with women. Women flirt for different reasons then men. So do approach with care and dont assume anything or you could ruin the friendship.
TUTH and IJ most likely will make her boyfriend happy when she gets home because of her aroused state. Just because she is aroused doesn’t mean she will act on that arousal with you. Plus it probably is not a good choice for work.
IO and IH will just make her unload more shit on you.
I would stick with what your wearing. Ammo and Ishine
Perfection. Great post RAD.
Tisha
Look, I have a gf myself. I’m not trying to break her up with her boy. i just like knowing the “what if”. Its simple talking/firting and knowing that if we were both single I could get her. That is all. I’m not going to escalate, I just like the thrill of the chase. Isn’t it possible to kind of “like” someone when you’re in love with another? Or acknowledging your compatibility with another? I understand I may be playing with fire but there’s not much fuel for it at all.
So… you’ve got a GF but you want to use pheros on another girl. I mean, it’s one thing to have a GF and want to wear pheros and check out the reactions of others in general, but to actually target a specific girl for whatever reason seems shady.
And before you say anything about people judging you, remember you put this out there.
I only asked what mones to wear around her. I didn’t want a lecture. I just wish someone would close the thread.
No worries bud! You got the mone suggestions and some additional advice as well. Well intentioned advice from some experienced users in mones and life. Keep in mind, that if the advice won’t be needed or useful to you, there are many others who’ll come on in to these forums and be able to take something away from these post to help them in their journey through life.
Take it in stride! 
You asked what mones to use to up the sexual attraction with a woman that has a boyfriend. The issue of people that are already in relationships or married has been brought up several times and most members here for personal and ethical reasons don’t condone breaking up relationships.
Now granted you say that you have a GF and have no interest in ending a relationship but none of that info was mentioned in your original post. Based off of how your first post was worded ANYONE could and would assume you were wanting to either A.) steal the girl away from her boyfriend for a relationship with you, or B.) seduce her into cheating on her boyfriend with you. The question doesn’t provide enough info for any other conclusion.
Now, while not everyone will have issue with infidelity or breaking up an existing relationship, it’s reasonable to assume most people will…and therefor unrealistic to ask for advice on how to ramp up sexual attraction with a woman already spoken for and not expect people to express their own personal views on the issue.
And finally…pull the other one dude. I’m sorry but I’m a guy and I don’t know of any guy that’s interested in upping sexual attraction in a woman so he can NOT act on it. In fact according to your own initial post you already consider some of her behaviors to be IOI’s on her part. You say in one post that you want to escalate SEXUAL attraction and then backpedal and say you have no plans on escalating things. Sorry but I don’t buy it.
I work with several attractive women, and the ones that are married or in relationships with, I engage in harmless flirting from time to time but I never escalate it…even when sometimes they give me signs that things could possibly go further, I pull back a bit. And while I like catching that certain look from women, or flirtatious behavior from women (what person doesn’t like knowing they’re attractive to the opposite sex?) I am for the most part indifferent about building sexual attraction in women I have no intention of pursuing. If it’s there, it’s there but if I have no plans on closing the deal or escalating then trying to ramp up the sexual attraction is a waste of time and focus.
Yeah it’s possible to be in love with somebody and “like” or be attracted to somebody else, but actively trying to increase the level of sexual attraction in the other person? Frankly if I’m in love with girl A, then trying to increase the attraction of Girl B wouldn’t even be something I would think about doing and success would do nothing but plant unneeded temptation where there is none.
So I’m sorry if you’re annoyed at getting ethics based answers on an ethical based question but don’t insult our intelligence by claiming to want to up sexual interest in a woman so you can not have sex with her. I’m 39 bro and I’m too damn old to buy that.
The rest of the members already went through the other issues but. I’ve read some of your posts in the past before and if I remember correctly you’ve been in similar situations before.
Why not just use the mixes you’ve used back then, they seemed to work at that point, no reason to change what worked now.
I’m not certain if you were using or not using the mones you listed there prior but that could be a good starting point. IME, though, girls who have LTR’s would need more than just AMMO + IO/CTTM to ramp up any sort of attraction and would need a progression of comfort and slow burn mixes to even get close to it.
I would agree here. A314 along with IH and A1 would IMO be just one of those. She would see the status there, the trustworthiness and the A1 would bring the comfort. Toss in some Ammo and then TUTH at just the right time and you got the opportunity for some infedelifucking. I think I just coined a new word.