Alpha behaviour and character traits.....

Howzit all…
Just waiting for my order to arrive… Hahaha
I was just thinking today, strangely quite out of the the blue…
When using A314, he projects the alpha male image, sometimes displaying some common alpha male behaviour and sometimes not…

What do you guys think are the most obvious and common alpha male behaviours and characterists?

Well being one myself, I’d say walking around like you own every place you set foot in(excluding church, haha).

People usually say, “You always walk around like you own the place!, Who are you the boss or something??” lol..that was before A314. I just tell em, no but I may one day and have you fired for asking, hehe :roll_eyes:

Its more of a confidence/borderline arrogance, that you can get away w/ if you can pull it off..I just grew up w/ thought that NO ONE can tell me what I can/cant do(except my mom or the cops), and Im proud of who I am, where I came from, the ppl that are in my life, and the ppl who left..

Think another is alot of eye contact, and maintaining it. If I catch eyes w/ someone, depending on age/gender, I give a smile and nod and wave..if shes cute, I’ll stop and introduce myself..

Most think of being “Alha” and think of Gorillas or dogs..while true, they have a pecking order, we as humans know how to rationalize..well some of, anyway but you get the picture. If you do research, you’ll find most dont even fight unless they really HAVE to, and even then the beta or wanna bes back down 9/10.

I differ from most on the board here, but I see many here view alphas as very passive aggressive. I don’t see much of the passive in alpha behavior. That’s beta behavior to me.

Alpha behavior is about strutting, dominating in whatever aspect possible, and being focused on yourself above all others. Alphas think in terms of goals and objects, nothing more, and act accordingly and aggressively to get what they want.

I’m playing around right now with my new order of A314; still not sure what to make of it yet. A couple girls thought it smelled like BO, and I had one guy flat out challenge me in a bar with his non-verbals, to the point where the bouncer thought I was going to stomp him for being a total douche. The bouncer did show a significant amount of respect for me. VERY interesting product: i need more time to figure out how I feel about it.

From a woman’s point of view:

Alpha males are quietly confident, not arrogant. They know who they are. They never bully or take a one up position while putting someone else down. They are the exact opposite of a weasel. They never go behind someone’s back to salt the earth or torpedo that person, while pretending to engage them when face to face.

They are born leaders. People naturally quiet down when they speak. They never have to raise their voices or shout. They are prone to reflection, meaning they *really *listen and think about what others have to say. People naturally trust that they know what to do and how to do it.

They are consensus builders. They find the good to work with in everyone they have to deal with. They listen to everyone, then make decisions and act on them. Even when they disagree with you it is done respectfully. These guys don’t need to take away from you to be who they are.

They have true inner strength, and never need to put someone else down or siphon power from others to puff themselves up. They are already far and away above the rest of the pack. They don’t need to climb on others to get there.

They are centered. It is extremely hard to knock them off their center. Even when facing extreme personal adversity they have the inner strength to stay who they are.

They are consistently emotionally in control. Because they don’t get too excited, they exude a restful aura that really does engender trust from others.

Hope this is helpful.

Diane

((((((((((Diane))))))))))

You are such a sweetheart!
You almost have me convinced that I’m not a beta after all! Reps!

XOXOXO

Thanks, Jedi. I bet you are one who is a total sweetheart.

I think I disagree with the majority of posters here about what is an alpha and a beta male. But I think most would agree that there is a world of difference between a dictator/bully and a leader/uniter.

Women may be sexually attracted (briefly) to the excitement of the potential violence of a bully, but most don’t want to be bullied. And bullies can’t really help bullying everyone… that’s what they do.

I found this really cute story on the web that kinda illustrates my point.

A young officer in the Army discovered that he had no change when he tried to buy a soft drink from a vending machine. He flagged down a passing private and asked him, “Do you have change for a dollar,?”

The private said cheerfully, “I think so, let me take a look.”

The officer drew himself up stiffly and said, “Soldier, that is no way to address a superior. We’ll start all over again. Do you have change for a dollar?”

The private came to attention, saluted smartly, and said, “No, sir!”

Do you suppose that was alpha behavior on the officer’s part? Of course not, but that is what a lot of people think alpha behavior is. :stuck_out_tongue:

There is a whole world of difference between getting cooperation and respect because you are someone who is trusted to do what is right - and getting cooperation and pretend respect because someone thinks you will kick their ass if they don’t. Both are powerful dynamics! But one is freely given, the other is coerced. And alpha males never have to coerce to get the job done.

Diane

Diane, Fantastic post, you hit the nail directly on the head. Arrogance is a Beta trait.

The definition itself reaps of Betaness.

Arrogance… an exaggerated sense of one’s importance that shows itself in the making of excessive or unjustified claims

haughtiness, imperiousness, loftiness, lordliness, masterfulness, peremptoriness, pompousness, presumptuousness, pretense (or pretence), pretension, pretentiousness, self-importance, superciliousness, superiority

Related words

authoritativeness, bossiness, dominance, high-handedness; condescension, disdain, scorn; snobbery, snobbishness, snobbism, snootiness; cheek, cheekiness, impertinence, impudence, sauciness; boastfulness, bombast, braggadocio, swagger, vaingloriousness, vainglory; cockiness, complacence, conceit, egoism, egotism, pride, pridefulness, self-centeredness, self-conceit, self-satisfaction, smugness,

Vaingloriousness is my favorite LOL

Thats describing a Bad Boy attitude not a Alpha. A Alpha male dosnt have to focus on putting himself above others. He is above others. They can act aggressively to get what they want but dont do it in a manner of focusing on self and no other. They unite and lead those around them to aspire to greatness.

Tisha

It’s interesting to note that throughout history (I’m taking a history class right now, we’re in the beginning, I’m sure there will be an exception or two to what I write now..) there have been many leaders of many different empires and some fail terribly, others succeed and form an empire larger than the one before it.

What separates these people? Obviously there are lots of factors (tactical errors, technological advances, strategic advantages, politics, etc…) that went into the wars, but ultimately, it took a leader to organize the people to defend/attack an empire/nation state.

Some small cities/nations have stood up much larger empires. If it weren’t for the leadership, even the advantages the Greeks had against the Persians might not have been used properly, or they might have given up to begin with.

If you were to stand the Greek leaders and Persian leader side by side, you might find that the Greek leaders were more ‘alpha’ than the Persian leader who inherited the throne.

As Tisha said, “They unite and lead those around them to aspire to greatness.”

Ghengis Kahn anyone? He united the Mongolian tribes into a fierce army, but today we don’t consider Mongolia to ever have been a major power. Did he unite those around him? Yes, did he lead them to greatness? Perhaps, temporarily. Korea tribes were united by a person. The Chinese tribes were united as well..In fact, most countries/empires have been formed from scattered tribes. Is unity that critical of a factor?

There are clearly details that might be unknown to me that might sway perspectives.

Would the Chinese leaders be considered alpha or beta for wanting to be isolationist and self-sufficient? The English managed to take their technology and build an entire empire on the advantage of guns. Would that behavior be considered alpha or beta? Beta in that, they weren’t willing to battle the rest of the world without a huge technological advantage, thus weak of heart? Or alpha in that they decided on what they wanted and took it?

Maybe what this shows, more than anything, is that the line between alpha and beta is very fine. More often than not, while it resides in the background, we don’t bring to attention the fact that people can be alpha in some situations and beta in others.

I’d say the bottom line is, can you protect your pack and lead them to prosperity? Some ‘bad boys’ might be able to protect their pack well, but lack the skills to lead them to prosperity. Others might be able to envision a future for their pack, but lack the skills/will to protect their pack on the journey there. Not only do you need a place to go, you need to be able to make it there.

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but a lot of your examples are too simplistic. Take the above as just one example. The British empire wasn’t built on that one technology. There were strategic marriages and alliances, not to mention trading partnerships (woolens). The Spanish had an equal “gun technology”, and it was pure luck (for the British) that the Spanish Armada was lost in a storm, or the British would have lost a good part of their empire.

Not taking it the wrong way at all. :slight_smile:

I completely agree, I don’t have the comprehensive knowledge to fully prove a point with historical accuracy and backing. It is indeed a very simplified perspective.

As I said:

The fall of the Chinese Empire to invading British forces wasn’t due simply to guns either. Nor has the Chinese Empire’s victories rested solely on the shoulders of their massive armies. No victory, large or small, is won due to a single factor, that much is obvious. What is less obvious is how you pull together all the small advantages onto your side and use them effectively.

More than anything, if a battle is won despite a technological disadvantage, it says more about the cunning of the winner leader than the lack of skill in the losing winner, IMO.

There are probably only a handful of people who played a role in developing those marriages, alliances and trade partnerships. Those are the leaders who ultimately made the difference. Another leader in the same position might have made a different choice or have more/less skill and thus, have different results.

My point was more so that, despite specific dis/advantages, it is the leader that ultimately makes the biggest difference. Specifically, what qualities did the leaders of prospering/ruling empires share and what qualities did leaders of failing/conquered nations share? How did the conquering leaders differ from the conquered leaders? And how might that reflect on our perceptions/definitions of ‘alpha’ males.

Reps on that one. I’m glad I’m speaking that in English instead of Espanol. God Bless 1588.

You don’t live in Southern California do you?:smiley:

Diane,

You got it right! Reps to you !
But there is something to the arrogance; those men are also alphas but, in my experience, are alphas out of fear, not out of confidence…

doug

As always an interesting conversation.

We had a pretty good discussion on this subject in Renny’s “Congruence” thread as I seem to recall.

Ok, thought I’d chime back in and clarify on something..I think once someone uses the word “arrogance” as I did in a bad example(bad joke, I suppose) and “alpha” ppl tend to go off the deep end..RING RING, ALARM ALARM OMG OMG*****JUST SPEAKING FOR ME, AS ONLY I CAN

I meant it as a joke, and I dont really treat ppl that way..Ive actually said “..yes and one day I think I’ll buy it..” to someone we had a laugh, and kept it moving..Thats how I felt at the time..

Am I cocky or arrogant? I’d say 50/50, but I back up whatever I do or say, but I do it quietly. Quiet confidence right? PPl pick up on it, and make their own judgements even though I’m an EXTREME extrovert..but I rarely have to correct them, because the end result speaks lounder than I need to. I do music(hip hop mainly) so there are times where I HAVE to be cocky, arrogent, maybe even an asshole…but it takes place mainly on stage and in the studio..and even then when the situation calls for it. Its a competitive arena, and that s how its always been. But on the other hand, Im a father and will be the 1st to hold a newborn, because I love kids and new life. Actually about to adopt in the coming year and get a puppy so they can grow up together(awww).

Just thought I’d drop my .10 cents in the discussion cause I was guilty of usiong the “A” word..hey Im a producer, not an Orator..I can be drunk and mistype on an iPhone too, LMAO..peeeaze.:smiley:

Ok, thought I’d chime back in and clarify on something..I think once someone uses the word “arrogance” as I did in a bad example(bad joke, I suppose) and “alpha” ppl tend to go off the deep end..RING RING, ALARM ALARM OMG OMG*****JUST SPEAKING FOR ME, AS ONLY I CAN

I meant it as a joke, and I dont really treat ppl that way..Ive actually said “..yes and one day I think I’ll buy it..” to someone we had a laugh, and kept it moving..Thats how I felt at the time..

Am I cocky or arrogant? I’d say 50/50, but I back up whatever I do or say, but I do it quietly. Quiet confidence right? PPl pick up on it, and make their own judgements even though I’m an EXTREME extrovert..but I rarely have to correct them, because the end result speaks lounder than I need to. I do music(hip hop mainly) so there are times where I HAVE to be cocky, arrogent, maybe even an asshole…but it takes place mainly on stage and in the studio..and even then when the situation calls for it. Its a competitive arena, and that s how its always been. But on the other hand, Im a father and will be the 1st to hold a newborn, because I love kids and new life. Actually about to adopt in the coming year and get a puppy so they can grow up together(awww).

Just thought I’d drop my .10 cents in the discussion cause I was guilty of usiong the “A” word..hey Im a producer, not an Orator..I can be drunk and mistype on an iPhone too, LMAO..peeeaze.:smiley: