An idea for more controlled testing and reporting

Okay, I’m a scientist (nerd alert!). I’m sure the Androtics folks know that the kind of volunteer testing that is reported here has a huge source of bias due to the placebo effect, and due to the fact that human behavior, sexual attraction, etc. is very complex.

Obviously, double-blind controlled studies would be needed to provide real scientific evidence of these products’ effectiveness. These cost money, and I realize that Androtics is a business, not a research institution.

However, I have an idea that could improve the usefulness of volunteer reporting, and that seems to me could be implemented in a cost-effective way. Here is my idea:

When preparing test mixes to make available to reporting users, make a “blank” to go with each pheromone product. The blank would be a bottle containing all the fragrance base ingredients, extenders, fixatives, preservatives, and whatever else goes into the mixes besides the pheromones (I’m assuming the cost of these ingredients is far less than the cost of the pheromone ingredients). The test mixes and their corresonding blanks could have removable labels that can be removed to reveal whether they are the test mix or the blank, so that users can either test them blindly or not. When reporting, the users could then reveal which way the products were used.

For example, say Androtics wants to hear reports on MX274. I order it, and get two bottles. One says MX274a and one says MX274b. One is the true mix and one is a blank with the cookie fragrance base, fixative, etc. I wouldn’t know which is the pheromone product. I could alternate between them, reporting on observations on days I use “a” and “b”. Alternately, I can peel away the outer label to find out which is the blank and which is the pheromone product, if I want to do that.

It would not be a true double-blind controlled study, but would be an improvement over just asking for feedback on the products.

regards,

xev

:smiley: Actually it is a research institution. The sales from the store fund the research. They do outside (of the forum) studies as well and then compare what they get here to the outside testers.

Test packs can sometimes have one in it so they can see through reports whats going on and who is having a hard time with the products. It is a ideal though and I am sure Jassy will consider it.

Tisha

Hello girls!
I want to give my piece of idea. Acually I believe that Xev had a really good idea. But I also believe that most of the guys would peel the label to see what’s in the bottle and the placebo effect would be the same. So, my small idea is the following. Androtics could ask to some “certified” guys, I mean, those that are known for reporting always, to test new stuff. If they agree, Androtics could sent them a TOGO vial with just a serial number over, for example “runnerxvr0001”. So, Runnerxvr would just report to Androtics that the vial called “runnerxvr0001” gave him this result or less. The vial could contain both Pheros or water, but only Androtics would know. So, this is just my small idea. But maybe it’s too tricky, so forget it :-).

See ya

Franz

I actually had an idea for my own “study”. I’m a bit of a researcher myself (BA in Psy) but only out of interest.

Anyway, I have IShine 4x & I’m thinking of spraying a freind with it the see if they like the scent. Then I just see what happens or just ask them. I’ll make a journal about it as soon as I start it.

I like this stuff but I do wonder how much of it actually is placebo. For example, I bought P79 based on reports that it motivate people, but then after buying it & using it I read that it’s more like an enhancer for whatever phero you’re using. Before I read that I was thinking it was working really really well, now not so much :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

The issue with this would be that few would be willing to purchase something that may or may not be the pheromone product.

If testers are given a real and control bottle, they have what they paid for and can either do blind tests or not.

xev

For those interested I found a post from MHarris touching on this subject. Of course that dosnt mean your ideals are not being heard and considered but I thought it may interest people.

So they do have methods in place to rule out placebo effects and although he can not reveal them all here because then you would know what to look for lol there is a method to the madness.

I know test molecules already go out to certain members to test that you dont see on the forum. I have received a few myself.

I know they have outside testers to compare results with.

Plus they pretty much have some ideal as to what a molecule does when they put it in the store. At least MHarris does, I think they keep the rest of the crew in the blind because people like SteveO are excellant testers.

I am sure as the company grows changes will be made though and it is growing rapidly

Great job finding that post Tisha. I’ve been looking for it for like two days now, without luck.

Thanks for posting it

I really love this idea. I would love to get something like this in my next order even over a complementry to-go bottle of whatever…!

Not that I dont like to free togo bottles :smiley:

If my next order is instant honesty, instant shine, a314, p74.. I’hd even love to get an unlabbled (or covered) to-go bottle. Even if its a dud, I wont regret it, and I will only look at the name after finishing off the 5ml.