An Uncool Goober Monk on Pheromones

Social Psychology and Pheromones aka “An Uncool Goober Monk on Pheromones”

Episode I: A week without pheromones

I’ve been wearing pheromones almost daily for about 3 months now, keeping track of how my coworkers and acquaintances have been repsonding to me. But I have no idea how they would
respond without pheromones. I’m going to try to apply my sociology training to my experijments more often, while still writing in a concise fashion, but it is going to be difficult to be both active socially and socially analytical. I’ve also realized that I’ve been paying an unbalanced amount of attention to individual behavior, as opposed to group behavior and social connections. There are specific social “nodes” at work in the hospitals social network, and I’ve begun to notice a few interestig points. One of which is that the social groups in my hospital are almost entirely age dependent, and the second of which is that as a 36 year old
male, I’ve become independent of the predominant social group at work in my own department.

This is , for lack of a better word, “uncool.”

Now, I’m a bit rusty with the terminology and my Sociology
classes were non-standard social-psychology and psychological-sociology variants so the social theories I prescribe to are not standardized or fully accepted by everyone. They’re based on cognitive science - one of the sciences behind artifical intelligence and the simulation of behavior and decsion making. Pardon me, and feel free to correct me, if I use incorrect terminology.

Here’s one week of my observations:
Monday - Day off. worked at home. Blew a whole day doing nothing worthwhile. I always regret those days.

Tuesday - I wore an Axe bodyspray, no pheromones. The young female who is normally very reserved and shy was MUCH more friendly and coommunicative than usual. 20omething guys in
general were more friendly, amicable, “buddy-buddy”-ish. Another cutie was warm, friendly, not quite as flirty as she sometimes is. It’s not fair to attribute that behavior to pheromones, sexuality, or my personalty - Occams razor leads me to believe that “altered mental status” would be the most probable cause for her behavior towards me.

Had an interesting conflict with two late30 / early 40-something women today, but I initiated it by being assertive as opposed to everyone else who puts up with their BS. They treat others as subordinates, as opposed to a co-worker, and I decided not to play along when i saw them treating others like that. I heard “What an asshole.” and “He acts like we’re in the military.” No, I just don’t buy into their BS…
My supposed “imaginary super-hearing” was not in play here - my
customer heard them also, and stopped + looked at them like they were fricking idiots. Which they are. I said “I may not still be in the military, but the military is still in ME”. The customer chuckled and shook her head.

Too bad the 'ladies" didn’t hear me. Presumptive bitches.

People naturally tend to congregate and share opinions. The collective opinion of these two women was inconsequential at this point… but what if it spread to a larger section of the collective / peer-group? Wait a minute - with all of my sociology training, why haven’t I analyzed the peer groups? HOLY SHIT, I thought -I am my own peer group. I stick out like a sore thumb - the “ladies” treated me as if I were one of the younger coworkers becasue they look at me as being part of their group, while the younger co-workers look at me as if I belong in the “ladies” “irritable old fart” group. Suddenly I feel like I’m the lone ranger riding around
unarmed and buck naked in the middle of a shooting gallery.

Wednesday- “Just one of those days.”
Worked with 5 guys and 2 women for the majority of my shift, which is an unusal ratio. Got along well with the guys, but noticed that I was definitely just being tolerated - I wasn’t party to most of the private - sexual and dating conversations going on. Then again these guys already
know I’m not into the same kind of social life that they are, so including me would have been pointless. (“You live like you’re a damned monk, pete… pete, you’re such a goober…” etc) I also felt as if I were being dismissed or discounted when the conversation turned to herbs,
something I know a bit about – nobody wanted to hear the answers to questions they were asking, so I let it go. Maybe not participating in the drinking/promiscuity conversation (and lifestyle) was key - by not
participating, I wouldn’t be allowed to participate in the herb conversation? I don’t remember signing that social contract, but it was apparently implied. Then again, people often don’t like hearing clearly articulated opinions that contradict their own - especially from people they disrespect. I couldn’t tell which issue was at work, but I also felt as if I was too wrapped up in observing and noting their behavior to
respond to it effectively. I find that it’s very difficult to be an active participant and an analytical observer at the same time. I need to observe at work and analyze the behavior later, but I have difficulty seperating those two actions. Then again, coherence may be coming into play here.

The fact that they discount, dismiss, and/or disagree with my social/sex life views may have a lot to do with their views on ALL of my other opinions. This is called a “coherence mechanism”, and it is the fricking bane of my existence. In simpler terms, I’m being
stereotyped… I’ve been assigned a box, and in their minds, that’s where I’m going to stay.

I work mostly with women and pay very close attention to their behavior - but it ocurred to me that I have been ignoring my 20something male coworkers since I don’t work with them very often, and today I realized that I don’t understand their opinion of me. It is becoming more important though, because I will be working more closely with them in the future, and I know that attitudes are contagious. In academic terms, social entropy spreads easily in a feed forward system. (As opposed to a feedback system, where social reputations / prestige spreads in two or
more directions.) If they disrespect me or do not take me seriously, then that opinion, attitude, and behavior will be picked up on by my other coworkers and will gradually become more pervasive unless I change the behavior and opinion at the root / point of origin. I just don’t fit into
their group - I don’t drink and I’m not a player or part of their peer group - so this might be a zero sum game and maybe I should just focus on limiting the social damage they will cause in my age group and/or the opposite sex.

On the other hand, I worked well with one of the women I disagreed with yesterday, and I did not interact with many females today. But the particular females I did work with were not as attentive to me as they normally have been (while I was wearing pheromones). Cooperative and professional, yes - but not chatty or flirty. Looking back on it, I spent very little time alone with any of them so the odds were against me today.

Later on in the shift, the cutie was “having one
of those days” where everything got on her nerves - except me, apparently. I spent more time alone with her than with anyone else, and the passive young female was reasonably friendly. I
wore no pheromones or scent - only deodorant.

Thursday- I wore Axe Midnight and switched from light colored clothes/ white T-shirt / White shoes to dark clothes, dark grey T-shirt, and Black sneakers + I didn’t shave. I’m more of an idiot than I’ve
admitted up until now – I just realized that i don’t pay much attention to my clothing at work, while the younger guys do and so do the women. I wear large, old, baggy clothes and cheap white sneakers while they actually spend money on new, form-fitting scrubs and the most stylish sneakers they can find. I prefer to spend my money on other things, but this is one obvious, glaring flaw in my approach to women at work that i will have to fix. In order to fix it without blowing my budget and financial priorities, I’m going to stop wearing my own scrubs, only wear the hospital scrubs, and get some decent shoes.

Today I worked with all males for a significant portion of my shift. Young white males who are heavily into the bar/club scene and who are for the most part promiscuous. To say that they think I’m an old fart is an understatement. The rest of the evening was similar to yesterdays results, little to no involvement with nurses, no flirtation, a more friendly passive 20 y/o female, and some flirtation with the 28 y/o cutie.

Friday - Day off.

My conclusion so far is that observing only the positive behavior of women I’m interested in while ignoring the behavior and opinions of my male co-workers has become an exercise in self-aggrandizement - an ego-trip. This one week without pheromones has been enough to deflate my ego and make me reconsider whether the pheromones have been working on others or if I am just going through my days while wearing rose colored glasses. It’s also shown me that I need to be more active than observant, and to only analyze behavioral events after they have ocurred, rather than while they are happening.


Sorry for the spelling and grammar errors. Most of my writing was done late at night, after work, and I’m too tired to correct those errors even now. Good night!

Gabe, I believe this is a truly excellent post! Maybe your best, which is saying a lot. You obviously remember something from your psychology classes, and I think you are capitalizing on your knowledge more than most people do. All my rep points are belong to you :cool:

Thanks!!

Well actually it wouldn’t let me rep you right now because I guess I gave points to another post of yours, but I’ll get back to this one once I’ve ‘spread some around’.

I ran into that the second time I tried to give rep points. I’d like to be able to give rep points to people who’s posts are exceptionally informative and on-point for specific things. Since I give 4 points at a time, I feel like I should be more reserved in who gets them so we don’t end up with one person at 500 points… but I guess this “spread them around” thing is designed to take care of that.

Friday
I wore a sweet (expensive as hell) button down shirt, levi’s, keen shoes, and a black Nylon jacket. I also shaved and wore Axe body spray. I’ll skip the play by play and jump straight to the heart of the matter.

Today was an ego - booster and an eye-opener.

It was an eye opener because it made me realize exactly what it is that I hate about my current location. It’s gritty, grimy, not cosmopolitan or “new” enough for me. I went shopping in another town - at an LL Bean store - and the surroundings were an immediate “upper”. I felt positive, happy, to find that there are places like that so close by. Up until now, IMHO, this whole STATE sucked and I have not hesitated to tell everyone I know. Now I’ll still say that, but will also say “…except for _______, which I like very much.”

Anyhow, today was an ego booster because I was reminded that even without pheromones, I’m not all THAT unlikeable, disrespected, or un-noticeable. 1 DIHL, 1 double-take, 2 smiles, 1 girl got pissed, and 1 holy-crap-I-can’t -handle-this woman later, and I’m no longer that down about the preceeding week.

DIHL - I don’t like that abbreviation, but y’all know what I mean. It happened the way it always happens to me - I ran into a woman and she “kinda wanted to do it again”. While shopping at LL Bean I ran into a cute woman who was extremely short, grabbed her by the hips as she slammed into me and she wound up in my arms - blushing, grinning, and flustered with one of her hands on my hip and one on my (“big, bulging”) bicep. Very cute, short blonde pixie-like 40-ish soccer-mom type with two kids in tow. I smiled and said excuse me, so did she, and we went our seperate ways but we exchanged smiles quite a few times from across the store.

Double-take and two smiles: I was there for several hours. I wanted a wind-proof coat but ended up buying wind-proof layers for the jacket I already had. By the time I wrapped things up and cut through the womens section, I was a bit frazzled, unkempt, my shirt was open and untucked, my hair was a bit wild from trying on winter caps, and after changing my clothes repeatedly I probably looked like I had just rolled out of bed.

Anyhow, as I was passing through the womans section I had to take a detour around an aisle because it was filled with three cute 18-20somethings. One did a double take as I blundered into their aisle and the other two grinned from ear to ear. I couldn’t think of anything witty to say, so I just smiled, shrugged, pushed my way through the coats, and kept moving towards the shoes.

I moved quickly into the shoe section, knowing exactly what I wanted. I put my unwieldy stack of clothes on a bench across from a cute brunette, and she took a large step back away from me as I smiled at her, looking confused and upset. Maybe I was violating her personal space. I thought “Whatever, I’ll be here for like 5 seconds” and wandered over to the plastic clogs, looking for my size in green. OK, so it took me 10 seconds. But when I went to sit back down at the bench, her boyfriend (or friend, brother, whatever…) was standing there, arms crossed, feet spread shoulder width apart, chin tucked down, glaring at me from across the bench as she smirked at me. From their body language it was obvious they were 'standing their ground" - AS IF the bench belonged to them. I snickered out loud, sat down with my back to them, put on the clogs, stood up and turned around - fully expecting him to be there to challenge me (…and not very worried about it. I’ve taken down guys twice his size and a few bruises would just mean more attention from the nurses at work tomorrow.) But they were gone. I don’t want to be egotistical and speculate anymore about that little testosterone fit or why I didn’t get to have any more fun - but I’m surprised to confess that I was actually looking forward to possibly flexing my muscles a little. I can’t wait to start Martial Arts classes again - training by myself, at home is boring as hell.

Holy-Crap-I-can’t -handle-this woman…
So I spent way too much money, but damn, I won’t be the least bit cold this winter and I now have oh-so-stylish and comfortable green rubber clogs to wear at work ($20!). I was about to head home when I saw a Maggie Moo’s in the mall next door. Hey, what’s another $5? I went for a Starwberry-banana smoothie and ended up with a dark chocolate milkshake. And while standing in line I noticed a very stylish latino girl in business attire by the door about 30-40 feet away, struggling to get her coat on while juggling her purse, some bags, and her cellphone. I was biting my lip and smiling, and she caught me. I can’t remember the last time I have seen such a big, happy, flirtatious grin and held eye contact for that long. She made me blush, waved goodbye, and walked out the door wriggling her her tight little…

To reiterate, I wore no pheromones, and if Y’all think it was the Axe body spray - well, I know this bridge in New York…

Not entirely true. :slight_smile: I forgot about this - A really sweet 22 year old med-student kept stopping by and asking me for instructions on how to do particular things. She asked me, and nobody else offered to help. I could NOT stop staring at her big, juicy, gorgeous Angelina-Jolie-Sized lips. I just wanted one kiss. “Just one!”, I kept thinking throughout the conversation. “God, that would be so F—ing incredible”, I thought. We were standing very close, face to face and within a foot of each other - we were smiling at each other the whole time while everyone else watched. We didn’t touch, but I was obviously tempted. The conversation was technical and academic, so I had no real opening. Nobody said anything, but I saw a few raised eyebrows and saw my coworkers exchange glances. My mouth was watering. I was afraid that I was drooling. I’m lucky that I didn’t embarass myself, and hope she is working again soon. I think I just might be bale to land that kiss (her lips would be the topic of conversation) All I need is a few seconds alone with her.

No wonder she kept stopping by ..

What do you mean - you think she enjoyed that?

I just ordered IFM to go, Ammo to go, and CTTM2. Opted against ordering Liquid Trust from Vero Labs - $20-30 for a “two week supply” ?! I think not. I think that my Androtics order combined with the freebies should last me at least through the holidays.

She obviously saw your interest .. so her coming back can be that she liked more of it, or, checking out what you thinking about, or if your interest just stops at looking or to do more about it.

Did you manage to look up from her lips ? .. that may have told you more.

Now, if it was the bust you ogled, that is a different story.

I wasn’t “ogling” her bust. Couldn’t get past her lips - and the rest of face. Strong eye contact - she was practicallyy on top of me and it wasn’t becasue of privacy issues. The conversation was on a procedural issue that really wasn’t all that complicated. She seemed to be dragging out the conversation with overly-detailed questions, but could have been trying to get answers to questions that more senior physicians were asking her or simply didn’t “get it”. I had absolutely NO opening for any conversation other than answering clinical questions. Next time I’ll insist on making it a hands on demonstration, and walk her through it.

Just tell her. That you like her lips, and can not stop looking at them.

Bad for a workplace, I know !

That was part of the plan, but after mulling it over, I don’t know how this would play out and don’t like any of the possibilities. I’m not willing to go any further than the “just one kiss” scenario and I doubt she would take kindly to that. And only employee/employee relationships are off-limits within departments. Relationships with patients are 100% unethical and unwise. Anything else (inter-departmental, physician/employee, student/employee, etc) is both acceptable and commonplace.

gabe, well if she’s a student (not a patient), and you’ll just tell her the words with a smile then probably walk off (hopefully not mega-phone shout them, execute your best scrum-attack-bring enemy down, tie down and kiss) .. it should be ok.

She’s a Med-Student, and I’m staying the hell away. I don’t want to star in an episode of General Hospital (I’m currently living a drama-free life.)

Current Mix

I’m planning on mixing IFM / Ammo / CTTM2 in equal ratios, based on my current “work-friendly / female-friendly” mix of 2-3 Ammo, 2-3 IFM, 1 b-nol, 1 a-nol which works pretty well but seems to be ineffective after 5-6 hours.

Adding a spray of -none and/or 2 A314 seems to be an “attention keeper”.

I will test the IFM/Ammo/two -nol’s mix all week (working monday-friday) , but it seemed to work well all weekend. Had a party-like atmosphere at work, but/and I was the only male present.

Any ideas/comments?

My experiences (YMMV) as your pharo signature is unique:

IFM does not usually come off as sexual for me, except in higher dosages or when combined with things like Turn Up The Heat. I get good closeness with Come Talk To Me Mix 2 & IFM; chatty easy closeness and a loss of the “edge” that often accompanies “that time of the month”.

When mixing my own, keeping a-Androstenol higher than b-Androstenol will increase socialness, while reversing the ratios will increase connection and rapport.

On me, Ammo acts like a more subtle AlterEgo For Men that just smells great as a cologne. I wear the stonger (x2) first version right now. I like that I can ramp up the effects in the field with CTTM2 & TUTH.

My Basic Mix for this week-
4 Instant Female Magic, 4 Ammo, 2 Alpha Androstenol, 2 Beta Androstenol

Weekend - used the above mix. Nice friendly, warm, party vibe. I was the only male. Pheromones may or may not have had any effect. I noticed nothing dramatic.

Monday-
Added 2 sprays -none
young passive female was uncharacteristically whiney. young male was uncharacteristically respectful.
I noticed nothing else unusual.

Tuesday-
Basic mix + 2 TAF and 2 A314.
females tended to initiate conversations more than usual. 1 sexy athletic/gymnast type flirted w/ me, which she rarely does. 1 gay male was very helpful, but that’s not atypical of him. 20-something passive female didn’t act unusual.

I re-dosed with 1 spray to chest and 1 to neck, 5 hours after inital application and 2 hours before young cutie came on shift. She was very quiet until I sat 3 feet from her with my back to her, and soon after I rubbed the back of my neck (to heat up the application point) she became very talkative, friendly as usual.

So far it looks like my “basic mix” is not strong enough to get reactions from the people I work the most closely with, but adding TAF or -None to the mix seems to bring about more easily noticed effects. It also does not seem to work at all after 5 hours.