I’ve had some good experience with the women at my workplace. 90% of everyone I deal with at work is a woman. Originally I bought two products Instant Female Magic and Turn Up the Heat.
The first day I wore a lot of turn up the heat -I went into the small office space occupied by three single women. I just went there to chit-chat. Although I was able to communicate I got the impression that they were suspicious of my motives.
Okay so second day (and subsequent days) I wear mostly Instant Female Magic. Boom -instant Rapport. They even laugh at my silly jokes and make time for me.
The problem is that one of these women (-ets call her “Karen”) even went so far as to ask me out on a Saturday. We traded numbers and planned on going to a movie.
Saturday rolls around and Karen doesn’t answer her phone. She doesn’t call me or return my calls.
Now this is incredibly rude because SHE ASKED ME OUT. It was her idea to hang out because ‘we both need friends to do things with’.
Now I do not hold grudges. I continued to talk to Karen. She apologized for not returning my call. I let a week pass and I asked her out on Saturday. She agreed.
Saturday rolls around and I call her with my return number blocked. She answers and said that she’ll call me back. SHE NEVER CALLS ME BACK.
This was last Saturday. I saw her monday but I never really questioned her about standing me up again.
So what I am getting is a strong positive response when I am around (w pheros) but a “blow off” response when I am not around.
WHAT SHOULD I DO? How should I handle this situation?
This has happened to me numerous times. She loves your pheros but not really you. Also she could be a psycho. Your best bet is to ask her to get some drinks after work so she can’t pull her bullshit, then just work your skills from there.
When I was young and super horny I used to ask women out, change my mind when outta cops range and stand them up. Most were really upset at me. A few bitched me out and told everyone I was a jerk. Extremely rude, inconsiderate and selfish behavior on my part. I eventually knocked that shit off after I got my raging hormones under control. They didn’t do anything wrong. It was me: I wanted to get laid but didn’t like them otherwise. I’m afraid Mr. Turbo nailed it. Your pheromones perked her interest but when outta the sniff zone she realized she wasn’t into you. Anyway you should do what those women did to me: ignore her for the rest of her life.
I agree with m3turbo about the “liking the pheros but not you” part. Maybe you turn her on when your beside her but once shes at home, she comes back to “normal”.
I know that what im about to say is somehow different than your situation but the similarity is big. A friend (male) of mine is like Karen. When he is with us (the group of friends) he always has fun and gets hyper and stuff. At the end of the night, he asks us to call him when we decide to go out again. However, when we call him during the next event, he always ignore our calls and never calls back; he has been doing this for more than 2 years!! (of course we dont call him everytime we go out…because of this reason). Are you wondering what my story has to do with yours? Well, people get in the mood when they are around the fun and they would like to do it again but when days pass or when they are far from it, they will evantually lose interest. I believe this is the case with Karen too. Once your next to her, she gets turned on but once she gets home, she forgets about pheros effect and the reason why she ignores your calls are probably because she is not interested in you.
My suggestion is forget about her. I don’t think that trying for a third time is a good idea. It will give you the image of being in need, which is a big no-no.
First, check to see if you’re still the owner of a set of balls. Second, when you see her, give her that big smile, say hi, and move on. She doesn’t have rights to conversation with you. Be nice, and should she ask you out, say, “No.” If she asks why, just say, “no particular reason,” and leave it at that. Still … be nice, smile, and respectful. Tis her lost.
Good luck, no matter what you decide. Should you remain her doormate, remember, the world is full of doormates … you’re not alone.
I’m not so worried about targeting her… I just don’t like being stood up and could use a different tactic. Someone here told me to ask her out immediately… that night. That person gets a gold star.
The real trick is now asking out some of the other girls in the same office.
Meh, owner of balls? I don’ t think you are grasping what I am asking for. I am asking how to avoid situations like this.
I am in no way pining for some woman that I work with.
BTW. Avoiding Karen is almost impossible as I work with her everyday. Every PUA should try to work in places with high concentrations of the opposite sex -this is why : Perception
Sure I understand … you’re dealing with a woman that has no respect for you, and obviously knows she has you. How to avoid it? There is no answer, except, avoid her, and that, to me, would make you look like a wuss … “Treat’em bad, and still, he continues to asks me out.” These situations can’t be avoided, unless you can read a persons character.
MM I don’t think the Astronomer has an emotional investment or has lost face. In other words, it’s not necessary to pretend like his nads are so massive a wheelbarrow is needed nor will he appear as a dickless wuss if he ignores her. He was merely caught off guard by Karen’s bad behavior. I doubt she “has him.” He merely was a poor judge of character or she was a hard read.
Besides it’s a bad idea to date someone you work with everyday. Not only will people talk, you’ll feel awkward when you break up (it’s awkward without anything happening) and you could even be canned if sexual harassment charges are filed later. Seen it go down several times and they always believe the woman, and this woman appears to be untrustworthy to say the least. The Astronomer is probably lucky it stopped here. It would be much worse if they went out, bumped uglies, she flaked, he pursued and she cried wolf…
There is no way to have fun in life without taking risks. The thing about success is you always fall down a lot along the way. You pick yourself up and learn from the mistake. Flirting with flaky dickteases is merely one of the many dangers of being a man. If you’re inexperienced and take them seriously, you have problems. Personally I enjoy flirting with dickteases–tease them right back–but learned long ago not to take them seriously.
For some reason, I can never disagree with you, G. I wasn’t talking about the investment … I was trying to show how NOT to let her know it got to him, which she has, or there would be no post. Pretty much, I was trying to direct him at the “don’t give her the pleasure of KNOWING she got to him” = smile at her when he speaks to her, and cut the convo.
There’s people, and they act in a certain manner. I think if it don’t work with pheros, it don’t work without. The pheros only enhance the relation. You don’t give any details on the relation you have. So we can’t help you correctly. Indeed, we don’t know about her reactions with you. If she treats you like a jerk, give up. But if she saw really interessted, maybe there’s a chance.
Seduction counts too. We don’t know how you seduce her. And girls react differently from each type of seduction. Sometimes it corresponds to her world, and others don’t.
I can say it is badly started, and this means it’s not a good person for you IN THIS CASE ONLY. It does not mean it is a bad person in every thing.
Becareful Women Are like vipers , She’ll turn on you so quick And next thing you know you are being called into the office because of a sexual harassment complaint.
I Would personally cut this fish loose while you can keep some dignity and other problems from occurring .
P.S I speak from personal experience on the above !
When you get called into the office trust me , More times then not they side with the female.
Hi Astrocloud,What you can do here is to improve your social proof or at least give her the perception that you have social proof. That being said, of course if you are still going for her. Otherwise, forget about her and move on.Pheros will give you certain edge with women but not necessarily get you everything you want. Like everyone said, it’s 20% pheros and 80% you.Now, back to the topic of discussion. Like I said earlier, you need to give her perception that you have social proof. This means that you have other plans instead of just having a plan to see her. You are always welcome to invite her to join in your plan. When a woman asks you out, it’s wise to say that you have this and that plan on that day from this time to that time. However, you will be able to make it around this time (whatever time you want) to see her.This will show her that you are not needy, you have other friends who love going out with you, and whether or not she’s in your life it doesn’t make any difference. It is her lost if she does not want to hang out with a great, open minded, and a cool person like yourself.Moreover, if you want to make a move, you can start by getting closer to her friends NOT HER. You can tell her friends that you will be going to some cool gathering such as music festival, live bands, etc etc…tell them how great it’s going to be and you are so much looking forward to that day. In the end of the conversation if you do it right, this should increase their buying temperature and you will be able to ask them to tag along.More than likely, the girl you are interested with will be coming along with the friends. That’s when you can start gaming her…the rest is up to you.Win her friends over, and she will feel attraction towards you. Have fun and good luck.
She was obviously interested… phero’s or not… here’s what I would do.
I’d goto work… be friendly with her but not overly… i’d give off the hint that something was wrong. this is to let her know that what she did wasn’t acceptable to you. I wouldn’t ask her out… i’d keep wearing the same phero’s at work too. If they worked once… they’ll work again. Let her ask you out again… when she does… tell her that you’re busy but ask her what night she was thinking of. Nomatter what night she picks… you’re helping a female friend of yours move into her new apartment. It’s kind of a hidden way of saying “You’re not as important as my friend” - then tell her you’ll get back to her but don’t. If she really wants you… she’ll ask you again another time. If not… no big deal…it’s HER loss.
Now if she asks you out again… don’t give her the option to pick up the phone. Set a day… then a time and place… and tell her you’ll see her then. If she stands you up THAT time… use that OPPORTUNITY to meet another woman wherever you are.
YOU’RE the man… YOU’RE the guy the women want… she doesn’t know what shes missing if she doesn’t show up.
Well, people get in the mood when they are around the fun and they would like to do it again but when days pass or when they are far from it, they will evantually lose interest. I believe this is the case with Karen too. Once your next to her, she gets turned on but once she gets home, she forgets about pheros effect and the reason why she ignores your calls are probably because she is not interested in you.