Between Two Worlds

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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Well, I noticed a slight smell on/near him recently. I don’t know what it was, but I mentioned it and he pretended like he didn’t know what I was talking about. It could have been some sort of isolated olfactory event which occurred solely in my mind/nose, but I’m not so sure. He seems to have above average success with women which can be for a number of reasons.

There are four possibilities:

  1. He doesn’t wear mones and his success with ladies in the office is due to my mones;

  2. He doesn’t wear mones and his success with ladies in the office is due to his personality/looks;

  3. Combination of 1 and 2;

  4. He does wear mones and his success with ladies in the office is due to mones/personality whatever.

The evidence:

One of the women is seemingly hot for me. M’s eyes dilate and she shows girlish mannerisms when around me. Shuffling of feet/ off balance, twirling of hair, etc…

But she also seems like she has a certain amount of attraction to my coworker. If I had to guess, she would probably go after either one of us. Could just be her personality.

In fact, it seems like I have one woman (her) who is attracted to me in the office, while he has about 3.

Now, I wouldn’t normally think this is anything strange. I’m just basing this off of observed behavior and a couple of things come into play. It’s easier for me to observe interactions with others than with me. Additionally, if my A314 is working (which it is), other women might be intimidated by me and not willing to display attracting towards me unless they are confident or too attracted to pretend otherwise.

But I keep going back to that brief smell. What is the deal with that? I can’t imagine that away. He is a funny and agreeable guy, but a large portion of his interactions with women tends to be self-deprecating humor. I’ve found this to be unattractive to women. If he is getting away with it, is it is other boyish charms and looks, or is it something else like pheromones?

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thats interesting. it could be all in your head,all of the above, or a mixture. i think it may be the mones you are wearing. ive noticed that when i wear my mones, my other colognes smell different. then again, the mones could be making your nose sensitive to other peoples’ mones. i think my co-worker may be wearing mones too. thats why i asked what makes you say that. i smell urine when they pass. but i have only been smelling this since i started wearing mones. so, it could be that our noses are being fooled, or they are getting better at picking up smells?

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Could be mones, but the whole self-depreciating humor has me doubting women are actually attracted to him. If anything he is feeding off your mones. However another point is that the women might be actually attracted to you, but to hide this they are showing attraction for the guy less likely to act on impulse. Anyone who has adjustment issues by putting their own self down is the easy choice for a women looking to make someone else jealous. The whole jealousy thing is created by women.

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That’s possible Steve, he could be “stealing” my signature. That isn’t exactly positive for me, then. It means I’m doing something wrong or not right (read: neutral) at the office which isn’t creating attraction.

I’ve been reflecting on the various PUA teachings. While there is much to learn from each person, each PUA seems to have a different type of personality that they try and mold you into. While that works for some people, it doesn’t work for me. I’m too genuine and I refuse to pretend to be somebody I’m not. “Fake it till you make it” is not an option. I can work on my confidence and conversation skills, eat healthier, exercise, and be a positive person. I can work on my inner-self, be the best person that I can in that moment and put my best foot forward. That’s the important stuff I have learned from reading PUA stuff. Everything else is just theory and flirtation techniques. C&F is the second best thing that I’ve learned, but it comes after and concurrent with confidence, not before. Anything less and you are just being an asshole.

When they talk about how to get through a shit test, that is just theory. Sure, you can understand that something is a shit test, and then understand what the proper answer is… but I would rather just be the answer. Being confident is 10X better than just knowing what confidence is and acting the part. I have my moments, but I’m not there yet. For example, in P51’s thread he talked recently about refusing to be the option when he should have been the choice. I think we have all had a similar experience no matter how it has turned out. The difference is that P51 is the answer. I don’t know exactly what happened, or his thought process, but from everything I’ve read in his journal he made that decision because he values himself highly enough to know his true worth. He doesn’t shy from it either. It wasn’t a chess move calculated to get a response, it was a reflection of his principles. That is the ultimate honesty, being honest with yourself and letting others know it.

I understand that I’m generalizing quite a bit about the PUA stuff, but I don’t feel that I’m too off base. It seems to me that the steps are:

  1. Cultivate oneself;

  2. Connect with others.

That’s it.

As for the situation at hand, I’ve had some success in changing my inner-self. I’m more confident in what I believe, who I am as a person and what I want from life and in a woman.

I think I’m getting stuck at step 2, getting these things across to others. While my personality is admittedly off beat and sometimes too serious, that is no reason for me to have any less success. Having an unusual personality is all the reason for me to have extraordinary success. I suppose step 2 is where the “technique” part of the PUA comes in.

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I’ve been wearing 2 drops of A314 combined with two sprays of IO to work. It makes things friendlier for sure, but I noticed that M, a girl who previously gave me subtle hints of attraction in body mannerisms and pupil dilation, didn’t give me the same attention. When I was speaking with her, I didn’t get any sort of attraction hits at all. I’m going to operate on the assumption that it is an anomaly and that all women everywhere are attracted to me. :slight_smile:

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LOL! An anomaly, eh? :smiley:

As soon as you mentioned IO with A314, I thought, well, that should tone down the A314 vibe a bit. In her case, the hints of attraction came from the Alpha status of A314 and with IO, you watered it down to the point where, in her case, it didn’t cause that kind of attraction… though, I’m sure all women everywhere want a piece of The Hammer! :stuck_out_tongue:

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You know, I think I’m really liking the IO/A314 combo. Today I caught the same two women staring at me twice. I think the IO works more on me than others, or perhaps the effects on myself are the most important results.

I’ve been trying to observe my coworker and how he does better with the women than I do. I realized that I’m not as social as I think I am. It’s about initiating conversations, not just being a good conversationalist when the opportunity happens.

I’m the kind of guy who isn’t comfortable with strangers, doesn’t like a room full of unknowns, etc… I realized that it’s even to the point where I don’t always introduce myself. I just never really thought about how little concern I’ve given to these things. I admit that I feel quite dumb about it, but now I can improve. It’s not that I don’t ever get to know anybody or that I don’t become friends, it’s just that I’m two weeks behind because of the way I approach things.

I think I’m just going to go out and start introducing myself to whomever looks at me. Nothing to lose.

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Be the man you want to be.

I know I’ve asked before about A314 and a deeper voice, but I honestly can’t help but feel that something more physiological than just mental relaxation and confidence causes the deeper voice I find myself with while using a decent amount of A314.

This past weekend I took a 4 hour drive to get to that auction. I made it all the way there wearing 5 drops of A314. When I got there, I totally forgot to wear the TAK and IJ that I brought because I was late due to circumstances out of my control.

Oops.

Probably a good thing, because I was in the middle of Pennsyltucky and I’ve never tried TAK before. The roads were much more dangerous than I was expecting and I almost dumped my car off a mountain once or twice in an area with no cell-phone reception. Perhaps 5 drops of A314 is a bit too much confidence for getting behind the wheel. Thankfully I pulled my mental state back to center and stopped driving like a dummy.
Now Tak testing, maybe that will be this weekend.

I purchased p90, not the pheromone, but rather the exercise program. I’m not in shape enough to do p90x, at least not yet, so I’m going to do p90 until I’m ready. There are tons of reasons to get in good shape. Like I said, be the man you want to be.

I’m being a bit more talkative with the women at work. I’ve stopped wearing the IO for my own benefit. IO was great for a week as training wheels, so to speak, but I want to push myself out of my social comfort zone without the use of IO before I do the entire thing all over again.

I’ve even considered dropping A314 for a week or so, but I think that I would lose too much momentum.

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I finally decided to start testing the IG variant testpack.

Yesterday, 2 sprays of MX400

There was a sending off party for one of my friends.

I noticed that at the beginning my wit seemed a little dulled. Perhaps it wasn’t my wit so much as it made me a touch more reserved. One of the girls, a friend of mine, responded nearly immediately to this mix. She was sitting on the other side of the room when I walked in, then we all got up to get some food in the kitchen. When I came back in she was sitting in the seat right next to where I was previously sitting. I doubt it is just me as she is engaged and as far as I know she isn’t that kind of girl.

Later that evening, a nearly identical thing happened where she just had to sit next to me. At one point in time she kino’d me by putting her hand on my upper thigh to get my attention to start a conversation. I think that was probably innocent, think, but it seems a bit out of baseline for her. Maybe it was more comfort than attraction.

There was a fair amount of pupil dilation from the women there.

My initial impression is that this mix has a fair amount of attraction and comfort associated with it. It isn’t the type of mix that I would expect to cause DIH reactions because of the lack of intimidation. Balanced from what I can tell. I bet it would have good success being steered in either a social or attraction mix.

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Great that you’re pushing yourself! The exponential thing is just that, since you’ve spent time and effort making little lunges forward; there comes a time when all the things that work for you, come together so that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. A bit behind the curve? According to whom? Each to their own in their own way; and everyone in their own time. Some of us learn quickly and others by their nature like to take their time. Work is also one of those places where people are conscious of possibly betraying their inner thoughts and it being deemed inappropriate. So, the subtle things are the ones that get through the ‘net’ of self control, so to speak. Good observation skills.

Undoubtedly, you’re more observant. This is a skill that will aid and abet your journey among women and the workplace. What is it that all of the ‘methods’ teach first? To observe behavior; to listen to what’s not said as well as how it’s said - body language and so on. Yes, girls are more aware of body language effects - even though at that age it’s mostly unconscious. Because they grow up with the axiom “it’s a man’s world” they learn to manipulate that with big round eyes at daddy . . . Boys, on the other hand aren’t really taught to boys around girls - unless they have a house full of sisters.

This is awesome on all levels: We are our own worst critics; accept the the compliment. Keep your own standards. If they think that was a great job, imagine what they’re going to say when you think you did a good job! Not that that would be your motivation, as I can clearly see. Yes, comparing yourself to others for comparison’s sake is dumb. So why do you think your behind the curve, in your first paragraph? Keep on making good impressions - I’m seriously impressed. You sound like your becoming your butterfly. Breaking out of the cocoon and learning to fly your own way in your own colors.

All interactions have value, even if they’re not your type of girl. It gives you a well rounded experience of different individuals and adds to the picture of your life. Do you know how hard it is to find good conversation without expectation? Talking to a guy who is only a good conversationalist when he’s interested in closing or fucking gets boring and makes for cynical females. Then you all get bitter about the lack of someone willing to just talk to you. Go talk, have good conversations with all female types of all age groups - you never know what gems may be passed your way.

I know this is way late, but since I’m just back from a pc virus I’m catching up on all my favorites. :smiley: Good read, Hammer.

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I agree with Steve 100%. Trust is a thing that needs to be earned. I don’t trust anyone beyond what they have demonstrated they are trustworthy with. Sorry for the cumbersome sentence.

If you are trying to impress others with your value - remember that you are someone of quality and value! They need to impress you as being individuals that you would want to include in your life.

Sometimes those we were once close to, resent our successes, our development, our progress and take the time to try to bring us down. Fact, unfortunately. Misery loves company, and there are those who don’t want you to change because it points out clearly to them that they are not moving forward in the way they want. Whether or not this is actually true or their perception, is immaterial. We see what we want to see; and those that believe the lies, back stabbing or play those games (and they are ugly, precursors to worse games) get stuck in a cycle of stupid endorsement or uncivilized behavior and painted with the same brush.

Again, I agree wholeheartedly with Steve. Moving on was the wise choice. Sometimes we don’t get to keep those people as friends after our adult journey begins. They have sorted themselves out of your life; their choice, do your missing and a little grieving of people lost - and then find real people. Of your standard of quality and value. If you don’t accept second best out of your work performance; why would you accept second best from the people you spend your precious free time with?

Sorry for the ugly backstabbing; happy for your response and choice to move on. No time for bitterness, just a nice clean break.

PS I paint my toe nails - a nice deep slut red. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I’m paraphrasing here; but RADMAN has stated in a post that he studied various PUA and other methods, and then took from those things the parts that resonated with him. Keeping in mind who he is, who he was and what he wanted to cultivate in himself. This is the only approach that I can see would work. I can’t comment on Stangman, but he comes across as one of those stellar individuals that would have done something similar. He’s also developed his body of experience and information that confidence is a natural product. Of course, if you know you should be the choice and not the option you walk away! What kind of disservice would you do otherwise? Establish a new low baseline for what you find acceptable in pursuit of romance? No. Stangman values himself, respects himself and understands that less than this is not compromise - it’s selling himself out. Isn’t this is half the battle we’re all here for? To stop that kind of self sabotage in all aspects of our lives?

What a lot of people forget - both male and female; is that there is more to improving your interactions than the pick up stuff. Dale Carnegie is still recommended to people wanting to develop themselves. As is Edward de Bono - awesomely interesting man and nothing to look at; but well spoken and charismatic. Napoleon Hill, so much more to Think and Grow Rich than making money. The positive attitude, development of convictions and self determination. Take all of these things; edit those that are in conflict with your nature and develop the rest - tailoring your own development to be uniquely yours for the individual that you are. Keeping yourself educated in the things that appeal to you; and I don’t mean going to college for a bunch of degrees. I mean being informed and knowledgeable about side interests. That too, is appealing in all people of both genders.

I’ve done a bunch of courses, and from those taken what was relevant to me. Worked on developing the things I like about myself and balancing then minimizing those I don’t like. You’re there, man. Just keep going the direction that you choose. Read/listen to the information that appeals to you, and take what you like and resonates with you. The rest will follow as a matter of course.

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I will respond to everything you’ve written at a later date. I have to agree with what you’ve written, I just want more time to do it.

Today I wore two drops of A314. This was a new bottle, revision 29. My old bottle was revision 23. There is a noticeable difference in smell for me. It isn’t a nicer smell, it actually seems to be a little astringent to me and less smooth than Rev 23. I don’t know what the difference is in effects, but I don’t like the smell of this as before. Perhaps I’ll get used to it.

I have noticed that there is one person in my office, my female boss, who has been particularly grating with me. She is normally super pleasant with me, but she has recently become more critical and perhaps more stressed out. This has all been within the past two weeks. I’m not quite sure what to make of it, but the work environment has become a lot more stressful. It appears as though the ship is going down. It could be that and a number of other things, but she has been irritating me in other ways recently. She has become increasingly inattentive at times and that bothers me. Who knows. I don’t think it is related to my pheromone usage, but I think I’m going to buffer with some socials just in case.

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Good news good news good news.

Through my connections I’ve secured an interview tomorrow. I don’t know what will come of it, if anything, but A314 will help me.

Also, it became known to me that my brother hates the smell of my mones. He doesn’t know what they are, but he has a very sensitive nose. I should really bring him into the fold.

Today I wore three drops A314, two sprays of IH in my hair and one spray of Ammo on my chest.

Things were upbeat and happening today with the girls at the office. Even people who were in bad moods previously were in better spirits today.

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Read the thread on something about secret weapons, I forget. It was a poll, and the results were mixed and not in a good way for those who shared. Think twice. He’ll get used to them. Just takes time.

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One of my brother absolutely hates my mones too. He complains whenever I see him now, even if I am sure not to be wearing any.

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I have some updates on the interview. I wore two/three drops of A314 rev 29 on the jawline, a spray of A314a on the neck and two sprays of IH in the hair.

I think A314 and some friends saved me more than I impressed the interviewer. I still have a shot, but I had a boneheaded mistake that I’ll fill in on later. I think I still have the job (which pays around 2-5 times my current pay, depending on how well I do), but things would have been much smoother if I didn’t make a stupid mistake.

C’est la vie.

Also, I have some thoughts on the A314a spray and how uneasy it makes my stomach.

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Oh?? A314/a gets ya queasy??

I’ve not gotten that kind of effects with it. Wondering if /b or access amounts of oil do that as well… :confused:

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Ok, I’ll try to update on everything:

I have some friends at another employer which does things that I’m not completely qualified for. I tried to get into this place before, but they wanted 5 years of experience and I didn’t even get an interview.

Well, now I have three people on the inside, and one is helping me get a shot.

She gave my resume to the hiring manager and he wanted an interview that week. I walked in the next day wearing 4 hour old mones consisting of 2/3 drops A314, a spray of A314a and two sprays of IH in the hair.

The interview went well from what I could tell.

I got a call after the interview from my friend saying that everything went well and the hiring manager really likes me…

but I had a dumb mistake on my cover letter.

I felt like a complete idiot. There really isn’t an excuse for this sort of thing. Thankfully, the hiring manager said that he likes me enough to get me an interview with the owner (two rounds of interviews). For anybody else, he would forget about me.

I can only say that I’m lucky to have friends in this place and A314. I think it’s a combination of both that saved my ass from something I should have taken care of.

I’m very excited about this place. I believe that my base pay will be just about the same as now, but my ability to make more money is immediately apparent. If I work hard, and I will, I should put myself into the $100k+ income bracket this year with higher earning potential as I learn the ropes.

This is what I want to do and I’m confident that I can do well in this next interview.

Now, the A314a spray does seem to make me uneasy. It could be that the only time I wear it is during very important meetings and so I’m uneasy naturally, but spraying it on the nape of my neck seems to give me a queasy feeling and I will have diarrhea for a day or two after. I think it’s a combination of factors, but I find the scent lingers and annoys me 6 hours after application.

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I hope this all works out the way you want it to. Do keep us apprised. What industry are you trying to get in/advance in?