if it only lasts 6 hours long, how can there be build up? whats left? what does it all become?
yea that’s exactly what doesn’t make sense to me? it says products are only affective from 4-8hrs but then there’s no build up.
“Androstenol” Converts to “Androstenone” in hours.
I always thought even “Androstenone” converts to something useless.If so do you have any idea what it is?
But it is said that “Androstenone” can be detected on the application points even after weeks.So I also wonder, why the peak time is generally 6-8 hours for most products.
Build ups is caused by absorbs over a period of time and can be called as “side effects” of the applications, nothing to do with the lasting duration.
Well, Lor, I’ve enjoyed reading your posts … you certaintly seem like you would already know the answer to this, but:
If something lasts only 6 hours, and it all converts to -none over time, then the correct, prepackaged “ratio” is what would last only 6 hours as it either wafts off or converts to -none, eventually leaving only -none.
You knew this already… Ah, I see your game… and raise you 50mcg … 
I think what they mean is that a product is only ‘effective’ for a given period of time.
So if you start out with 20mcg of something, it does not have to mean that 6 hours later it is all gone! But maybe by then there is only 15mcg, or 10 left, or whatever.
The point is that by then, it’s not THAT effective anymore. And it may not produce the results you expect, and why you bought it in the first place.
Let’s say you spray again after 6 hours, and there is still (example) 10mcg left of the earlier aplication, then for a short period of time you have maybe 30mcg, and so on and so on…
So it’s possible that if you keep doing this every 6 hours, you eventually reach a point where you OD.
Now for most phero’s this is not much of a problem, but with -none (which happen to be quite sticky anyway) I think you may have a HUGE problem after, let’s say, a week of constant reaplying.
Its debatable whether or not androstenol really converts to androstenone.
Why would it be true? -Androstenol and -none are both pheromones, but it’s not like androstenol is the precursor of androstenone and even if that was the case, what would bacteria have to to with it? These are enzymatic actions that take place inside the body.
gosh i love this forum!
see, i know the ratios evolve. i know things become other things. i think what is strange is how what we consider to be build up affects everyone differently. it doesnt just evaporate into nothingness, and yet it doesnt last forever.
i can reguritate everything i have ever heard on the topic, that part is easy. i have been around long enough (but not long,lol) to have heard lengthy essays on the topic. but never the less i will ask and hope that new information emerges, nothing has satisfied me .
uh that sentance isnt going to make me popular is it!
This is from the androstenone build up thead (sorry no link, but it’s about 4 pages.)
Aaaahhhh yes, the age old conversion debate. Personally, I don’t believe in build up or conversion.
When I first started using Scent of Eros, I would often use 12"+ in one application and never noticed any Androstenone type of reactions on subsequent days…this was also true when I was playing around w/ chem set Alpha Androstenol.
I used Alter Ego For Men, Scent of Eros and NPA daily for about 2 years straight and never experienced any build up or conversion. Even when I was using insanely huge doses of Androstenone…we’re talking 20-40 drops of NPA at a time…I would never experience any after effects and if it was as tenaciously sticky as ppl suspect, I should have been getting reactions for weeks from just one mega dose.
IMHO proper personal hygeine is all that’s necessary.
Scot,
Out of interest what kind of reactions did you get from 20-40 drops of NPA? Bar fights? Or good reactions? Most I’ve ever tried is 5-6 drops of Primal.
Matt
INVISIBILITY!
There were two exceptions that I recall. One was a major bar brawl. The other was when I freaked out one of my neighbors…of course, that reaction could have merely been due to the stench of cat piss. lol Most of the time, the bar fights happened in the 5-10 drop range, iirc.
Wow, I’m impressed! 
Just curious, are you also able to smell the -None yourself?
most here i believe are all about personal hygeine,
but if its on clothes/carpet/truck blah blah when does it officially break down and become nothing 
Impressive? I don’t know about all that…foolish, reckless and/or irresponsible might be more apropos.
One thing I didn’t mention is the tendency to see “second hand” hits in the 2-5 drop range.
I can smell Androstenone, but for some reason I can’t smell it straight away…only after it’s been on the skin for a while…this seems to be true w/ or w/out a cover scent. Even if it’s unscented, I only smell alcohol for quite a long time. It takes up to 6-8 hrs to smell the Androstenone in Alter Ego For Men. One thing I noticed was that Alter Ego For Men gave me progressively better results as you approach the 6 hr mark. I would hang out w/ my old f-buddy for hours and she almost invariably would begin to get randy right about the time that the Androstenone smell was becoming quite apparent. Alpha Androstenol, on the other hand, I can smell immediately. To my nose, Androstenone isn’t as bad smelling as, say, P79 which is quite stinky and I can smell it w/in 5-10 minutes when unscented. I don’t know that I would lump NPA into the same category as other Androstenone sources…it has it’s own unique stench…it smells “dirty” compared to other “pure” Androstenone sources. I suspect that there are some other stinky putatives out there…I’ve had ppl detect the pheromone smell of some of the test mixes, e.g., MXs 172, 173, 177, 178 and 200. In the case of 172, it must be one or more of the putatives used in the latest formula because I didn’t have this happen w/ MX102…both contain the same neroli scent at the same concentration.
Actually, I believe that clothing build up is a genuine issue. I once had a fight break out in a bar and it wasn’t due to my skin application, but rather on the collar of my winter coat. I had set my coat on a bar stool upon entry and began to mingle. I had spent about 15 minutes around “the aggressor” w/ no adverse reactions. However, while at the opposite end of the bar talking w/ a friend, I noticed that “the aggressor” would become aggitated whenever he stood near my coat. At one point I was standing next to my coat while this guy was just a few feet away. Out of nowhere, he gets into a shoving match w/ his buddy and shortly thereafter a brawl broke out. I had been around these ppl all night w/ no negative reactions, but if they were near my coat or both my coat and me it was a completely different story. The next day I washed the coat and never had a repeat experience…I made sure to wash my coat once a week. I doubt that this is as much of an issue w/ alcohol based products, but it definitely is when using oil bases.
wow - i think you deserve some sort of medal for testing out that much at a time.
lol
In all the time that I was doing this crazy stuff, I never had any aggression directed toward me. Actually, there was this one time, but that was because I initiated and escalated the situation.
These days I rarely wear any Androstenone and if I do it’s minimal. I see enough ppl get nervous, hands shaking w/ just 2-3 drops of A314. I’ve been told that I tend to intimidate ppl and it seems to be true. Just the other day a woman was checking me out at work…rather subtle IOIs…she moved near me…I approached to see if I could offer some assistance, which I do w/ all customers. When I spoke she gave me a big smile, eyes wide…followed by a rather coy posture. She began to get nervous and soon scurried away. She seemed conflicted, i.e., she wanted to be near but just couldn’t handle it. After she had moved on, I caught her checking me out a few times. I was wearing two drops that day (nothing else), iirc. I really need something to lighten things up when I wear A314.
A314 is mostly -AndrosteRONE, no? Anyway, I don’t seem to have much problems with it, though I am quite sensitive to -None, so if it’s in there, its probably not all that much.
But why don’t you just use it with a-Androstenol? That way you would get some sort of Scent of Eros effect. And if you add a mix of A-Androstenol & B-Androstenol, you have what I call; Scent of Eros DeLuxe Edition.
I like that combination a lot. It’s excellent for work.
{edit} you could also just use a few sprays of Come Talk to Me, 'cause I believe this is made of both the -Nols anyway.