Lately I’ve been forming a lot of ideas about this phenomenon, and I’d like to get some input from the community.
I’ve flipped back and forth a lot on the issue, but in the end I keep on coming back to the fact that extended none use (for me) causes negative reactions. Grumpiness, antisocial behavior (reclusiveness), depression, etc. So I’m inclined to believe that there is something to it. But why? Why don’t some other people experience this effect? Is it really a result of build up, or is it something else?
I’ve got three main theories as of late:
Build up is real. We all know that -none lasts longer than most other pheromones, so in effect it could really buildup in the longrun. In this case only cleaning well with proper products will help. However, many people don’t seem to experience “build up” even those who don’t seem to do anything special in their clean up routine. If build up were the cause, everyone regardless of age should notice an effect eventually. So I’m inclined to think that either some people have much better “cleansing” practices than they think, or the cause is something else.
Physical reactions. Since it’s not your own natural output, Wearing none can be thought of as carrying a giant muscle man around with you everywhere you go. Depending on your own bodies makeup, it may react to the elevated none levels through competition. Your natural none output may elevate, and over extended periods of time the levels may continue to increase. It is feasible to imagine that your natural output could combine with the synthetic and result in OD levels. Men whose none output has leveled off, or people who don’t react to none may not exhibit this effect, and may never experience OD as a result. So older men or people with poor olefactory senses may be safe. The important variables to consider here are age and time exposure. It may be that people who have very good cleaning practices simply wipe all the none off and during sleeping time the body can reset itself, whereas other people may take a couple days of usage for the body to start reacting negatively. The effect should be everyone around you reacting as if you were ODing (ghosting, etc). This case seems more likely to me.
Psychological Self Effects. Maybe the reaction is not a change in your physical pheromone output levels, but a mental one. Let’s again imagine that your body thinks that the artificial none is a big muscle man following you around. Being stuck with this guy for an extended period may cause an adverse self reaction. Such as being antisocial, intimidated, recluse, maybe burnt out. In this case, the negatives are internalized rather than externalized. People who don’t react to none may never experience this. In this case, it is your own behavior that gives you the negative external reaction. Like they say, even if a girl thinks you’re sexy, if you’re all mopy standing in a corner, you’re not going to get anywhere. This again may be due to internal makeup, age, and time, and like #2, It may be that people who have very good cleaning practices simply wipe all the none off and during sleeping time the body can reset itself, whereas other people may take a couple days of usage for the mind to start reacting negatively.
#4. Other. Suggest some other possible explanations. Maybe it’s lack of congruency, bad luck, etc. Personally, I’m not really happy with these explanations, because my own tests have shown a pattern with none. I know my limits, so it’s not carelessness. I won’t use it for a while, then when I go back to it, I get great hits for a few days, then it starts to become less profound. Eventually I’ll just give up on none for a while and the process repeats.
Right now, I’m leaning towards number 2, but I think number 3 is also a plausible explanation. Potentially a combination of the two. So lets collect some data.
Please respond with the following (If you are uncomfortable responding to any or all of these you may PM me. I know some people aren’t comfortable revealing their age): Whether or not you believe you’ve experienced BuildUp related OD. Your age. Your cleaning pratices. (how many times a day do you shower, what brand soap do you use, etc). Whether or not you have any self reaction to none. Whether you can smell none.
Here’s my answers:
Yes, it sucks so I’m trying to get to the bottom of why and how it happens.
somewhere in the 20s
Shower twice a day (morning and around 5 after a work out). Lever 2000 bar soap, pantene shampoo.
Yes and no, I notice myself being a bit more aggressive, but not so much.
Yes. I can pick the none out of products like MX103 (and other variants) , ICM .1A, Ammo, and A314 pretty well. It’s got a stingy sort of smell to it.
Any additional input, insights, and suggestions would be wonderful.
Hi Martyk. I don’t know about buildup OD as such, but I am certainly detecting residual -none on myself on my -none free days, today is a completely phero-free day for me but it reminds me a bit of my first ever Turn Up The Heat (I sprayed 2 sprays) experience, but of course now I’m used to the feeling and can “drive” it pretty well.
I sprayed 4x Turn Up The Heat (and the rest!) on Saturday, had a -none free day Sunday, but I wore 7.5mcg P79, had a spray of Turn Up The Heat yesterday as part of a small but effective combo, and still feel androstenonal today… I just showered daily, didn’t scrub myself with anything very astringent or anything, and have not worried too much about buildup; I am having another phero-free day tomorrow and then some putative testing.
I did wear my biggest combo yet on Saturday, and I think it has left a deep and abiding impression on my neurons… a good one
oh yeah, I’m 37, and can smell… something. I don’t think my sense of smell is terribly good though, actually. Not very refined, anyway… My olfactory vocabulary is not very refined, I mean, actually, for describing smells.
I have become kind of more aggressive in a sense, well, let’s call it “energetic”, but I am a pretty laid back person even when wearing 4x TUTH, I can use my gift of the gab and non-verbal skills so that people don’t feel threatened, and I am getting quite good at “reading” people. So I am not worried about adverse reactions - I did OD once, but I have subsequently “ghosted” at the same location while wearing absolutely nothing, it’s just one of those insular, snobby places!
Excellent. About how many days do you go before taking a break? From the listing of your weekend it sounds like almost like every other day is -none or phero free. Is that correct/consistent with your average usage pattern?
Please respond with the following (If you are uncomfortable responding to any or all of these you may PM me. I know some people aren’t comfortable revealing their age): Whether or not you believe you’ve experienced BuildUp related OD. Your age. Your cleaning pratices. (how many times a day do you shower, what brand soap do you use, etc). Whether or not you have any self reaction to none. Whether you can smell none.
i don’t believe i’ve ever experienced build up related OD
39
minimum 1 hot water shower each day (shokubutsu shower gel for pits and cracks, i never wash my face with soap and since i hot shower daily and swim in the ocean and pools i use a full body soaping routine once or twice per week) , i do swim frequently and the area that i live in is known to be quite hot and humid so face gets a cold water splash throughout the day etc.
self reaction-yes, most common is aggressiveness, edgy.
i don’t smell -none
there is always at least one day where i don’t use any pheros. i don’t have a “use” schedule, more like i have a certain appt at this time, i’ll wear…
no… it’s a bit more haphazard than that But I have been wearing at least 1 drop of A314, for example, for the past 2 weeks - with about 3 days here and there off where I was testing other items. Today has actually been my first completely phero-free day for 2 weeks, I think.
I don’t believe that I’ve experienced a None buildup related OD. Then again I think I’ve only even potentially experienced a None OD one time, and that was at an outdoor event with a slight breeze, wearing 225 mcg’s of straight None and 7 drops of A314. And, even at that there was only one women who showed any kind of negative reaction, and I did have a couple of others showing IOI’s.
I really think that congruency is key when it comes to None and OD effects.
I shower once a day in the morning, but if I do anything physical and get all sweaty, I’ll take another shower afterward. My usual soap is Irish Springs.
It’s rare that I experience much of a self-effect from None, although there has been a time or two that I do feel I became more aggressive than is normal for me. I’m thinking that phero related self-effects may be at least somewhat mood related or dependent. When I sprayed on the 225 mcg’s I did get rather lightheaded and felt my heartbeat race, but only for a minute or two.
I can smell None and can pick the scent out of mixes like A314 and ICM. To me the scent is somewhat of a body odor smell.
Totally agree, and of course environment is key… my rule of thumb is to avoid places that are “too rough or too snobby”. Now I am used to the power rush effect, I can be congruent as a nice guy who is holding back some restrained -none energy, someone who I suppose has a powerful drive but has the self control to operate in society in a calm and collected manner.
And buffering with A314 helps too, covers all the bases of “alpha” masculinity then.
Reps for your far-out experiment! 225mcg… wow! I have worn just 10mcg so far and been cool with it, thinking of trying 20mcg soon, want some Raw Power to be released… yes! very interested in that!
Thanks ntk. The wonderful girls at Androtics decided to throw in a to-go of None at 112.5 mcg’s with one of my orders, and it had been sitting in my medicine cabinet taunting me for sometime. I finally decided to take it out for a spin. If you wanna read my report on that day, it’s here: Lets Play With FIRE!
EDIT: Actually, in thinking about my high None experiment, the dose was closer to 185 mcg’s, than 225, because of the lower spray volume of the to-go atomizers. But at levels that high, I don’t think the 40 mcg difference really means much anyway.
I regualrly wear 20 to 30 mcg’s of None, but usually don’t go above that. And at the 30 mcg level, 10 mcg’s of that is oil based from Raw Power. I may have gone as high as 40 mcg’s, with 20 of those being Raw Power.
And yeah, I like BetaNol too. It’s a component of pretty much any combo I use or try.
So, inspired by this thread I’ve been wearing no pheros other than 2 drops of mutant A314 and 2 drops of Alpha 7 each day all week (behind the ears and under the chin).
I’m 38, shower once a day, can smell none and don’t seem to suffer any -none buildup symptoms. I feel self effects which can be a feeling of power and focus or alternatively irritation. Usually the negative self effect is felt with spray products and not with my oil-based products.
A week’s worth of running the above mix has left me very happy. No negative effects whatsoever, friendly responses from males and females alike, no negative self effects (and very minimal positive self effects). I actually feel as though I could ramp up the -none (terry0400-40 reports that Alpha 7 has about 20-25 mcg of none per drop) and I’m tempted to add another drop of the A7.
Good experiment, Nibbla. Reps to you. Experience with -none and the self effects, and anticipating the internal reactions that others may have and acting accordingly, seems to be a big factor in all of this. The more I wear TUTH, the more it is getting familiar, like an old friend, and the less wary I am of going out wearing it in increasingly large amounts.
Those were some pretty good insights markyk. Here are my answers:
I’ve experienced multiple buildup issues and OD. Either I need to buffer my -none products well or I start to get negated by other people of my age and all age for males. I do tend to make those individuals in their late 50’s and 60’s pretty happy though.
I shower once a day and I shower before I go to sleep. I don’t know what brand of soap I’m using (generic), but I scrub my application areas. In addition, I use witch hazel to wipe off any possible excess.
At first I didn’t notice any self-effects, but these days I often get headaches.
What was your personal highest -none dosage prior to this megadose?