Can Pheros Confuse a Guy's Feelings for You?

[Pirouette]

There is this guy I’ve been digging. I’ve known him as an acquaintance for a few years. Lately, I’ve been getting to know him better. At first he was mildly affectionate towards me, a hug every once in a while–nothing special. But since I started wearing pheros, particularly IS/A, I’ve noticed an increase in his attention to me. More hugs and just generally wanting to be around me more; but then again, sometimes it seems like he doesn’t know what to say to me. With a group of people we took a swing dance class together. We had a chance to dance together then. Ever since then he’s wanted to go dancing again, and has made it apparent to me, I feel exclusively.

He leads a group I’m in and quite frequently makes eye contact with me during the meetings. The week before last, he pointedly made funny comments about me, kind of poking fun at me–I was in a laughing mood, so it worked. The last meeting we had, I was talking to a girl, and he came up behind me waiting for me to acknowledge him. (I was wearing IS/A and MX335 at the time.) When I saw him, he gave me a hug and chatted with me. Even when he went to go speak to other people, he would look over at me like he wanted to talk to me again. And honestly, I’m pretty shy, so I probably wasn’t being too congruent with my pheros and giving off the right signals.

But sometimes I get a hot/cold response from him. In person he can be very warm and jovial. I wonder if that is in reponse to the pheros, because otherwise if I try to contact him via email or IM, he seems much cooler–almost abrupt.

It’s been said that the effectiveness of pheros is about 10%, while your interactions with people comprise 90% of the responses you get from them. I hate to think I’m “fooling” this guy into liking me by wearing pheros. I wonder if the pheros are confusing things and he really doesn’t like me that much at all.

Don’t mean for this to be an essay. LOL. Just wondering if pheros can “fool” a person into liking you or confuse his feelings for you.

[SCoupe]

Hi Twirl . . . .

Just thought I would add .02 - my experiences say YES, he could be slightly confused especially if you’ve been around him for a while and the pheromones are changing your signature scent that he’s used to. He’s just trying to process the ‘new’ info that is you.

As for touchy feely when you see him in person then what seems to be a little bit of an about face in emails & text … I think he’s just being a little coy so he doesn’t appear needy or ‘rushed’. He may be burnin up on the inside but doesn’t want to come across quite that way for the time being.

The differences speak well for the mones you’ve chosen and how you’re using them.

[tisha23]

My take on it as you have described it above …

But sometimes I get a hot/cold response from him. In person he can be very warm and jovial. I wonder if that is in reponse to the pheros, because otherwise if I try to contact him via email or IM, he seems much cooler–almost abrupt.

It’s been said that the effectiveness of pheros is about 10%, while your interactions with people comprise 90% of the responses you get from them. I hate to think I’m “fooling” this guy into liking me by wearing pheros. I wonder if the pheros are confusing things and he really doesn’t like me that much at all.

NO… they don’t confuse feelings or make him feel something for you he doesn’t. That’s not what mones do. They allow him to express what he otherwise has trouble expressing. Make him feel more comfort and increase the attraction. If there is no attraction to begin with mones wont create that or change that. They could make him horny but if he is not into you he will take that horniness elsewhere.

Your not fooling him or tricking him. While I do not agree totally with the 10/90 ratio many people use here I do know that mones will not change a person.

If mones could do that every single person who comes in contact with you wearing them would respond. Just dosnt happen.

Now the only time confusion can come into play is when someone very close to you knows your natural mone signature. They sense something different about you but cant place it and the reaction can be delayed but there are trying to place the difference. After repeated exposure they stop looking for whats different and just let their feelings flow.

Keep in mind there could be many reasons he is short with you by PM or IM He just may not feel comfortable communicating in this venue.

I am a world class talker. In person its hard to shut me up once I get to know you and I am comfortable. Online its much the same thing. I however don’t like the phone and I am short and clipped when I talk on it. I just find it uncomfortable and I don’t know why. anywhoooo my point is don’t use that as a gage for whether he is into you or not.

Tisha

[Pirouette]

Thanks, SCoupe and Tisha, for the replies. What you both said makes sense.

I wonder, is it best to stick to one pheromone product or combination of products when interacting with a particular guy? I think IS/A seems to work best with the above guy. (I’ve noticed that women respond well to it too.) I’ve tried SOE/w with him, and he seemed more stand-offish. Whereas SOE/w seemed to get a good reaction from a different guy. But both guys seem to respond positively when I wear IS/A. I’ll report some more on that one in the future.

[diane999]

@Pirouette

Thanks, SCoupe and Tisha, for the replies. What you both said makes sense.

I wonder, is it best to stick to one pheromone product or combination of products when interacting with a particular guy? I think IS/A seems to work best with the above guy. (I’ve noticed that women respond well to it too.) I’ve tried SOE/w with him, and he seemed more stand-offish. Whereas SOE/w seemed to get a good reaction from a different guy. But both guys seem to respond positively when I wear IS/A. I’ll report some more on that one in the future.

If you are not around him every day it is fine to keep wearing the same pheromone products he responds to. But if you are around him every day it is a good idea to switch it up just a tiny bit once in a while to keep him from getting too used to your signature.

You probably won’t want to completely change your pheromone signature, because that can be too subconsciously confusing. But a tiny change can keep him on his toes and interested, and keep him from acclimating to your pheros.

Tisha is pretty much a master at this technique of changing it up. And I’m sure she can give you some pretty specific advice.

For me, I use very small amounts of some of the putatives, diluted way down (less than 3 mcg), or I change the amount of one of the pheromones to a higher or lower amount, to change my signature about once a week for my husband. I choose the pheromones that 1) make me feel good; and 2) he responds positively to.

And, of course, he knows I’m testing, so when I’m in major testing mode he often gets big surprises, but has become accustomed to it, so, other than a very few molecules he really responds poorly to, it is all good.

Diane

[Pirouette]

Diane, thanks for the tip. I might be seeing him this Friday, as he’s hosting a social at his house. If I go, I plan on wearing IS/A (added some copulins for fun) and MX135. With a little Pink Sugar on top. Should be interesting.

[Gegogi]

Just wondering if pheros can “fool” a person into liking you or confuse his feelings for you… But sometimes I get a hot/cold response from him. In person he can be very warm and jovial. I wonder if that is in reponse to the pheros, because otherwise if I try to contact him via email or IM, he seems much cooler–almost abrupt.

Many guys live in the moment and are easily led astray by special “attractions.” They get home, your memory fades a bit, they think about you and change their mind. See you again and they perk right up.

Men are like puppy dogs. You know, like the puppy that followed you after petting him when you walked home from grade school. Walk by a week later and he doesn’t even recognize you. Out of sight, out of mind.

Maybe some beefy moans with a little red dress 'n stiletto heels will burn it all into his brain for a more lasting impression. I know the neighborhood dogs remembered me well once I started giving them goodies.

[Pirouette]

@Gegogi

Many guys live in the moment and are easily led astray by special “attractions.” They get home, your memory fades a bit, they think about you and change their mind. See you again and they perk right up.

Men are like puppy dogs. You know, like the puppy that followed you after petting him when you walked home from grade school. Walk by a week later and he doesn’t even recognize you. Out of sight, out of mind.

Maybe some beefy moans with a little red dress 'n stiletto heels will burn it all into his brain for a more lasting impression. I know the neighborhood dogs remembered me well once I started giving them goodies.

Well, shoot, that’s not very encouraging. And yeah, he is the type to get easily distracted. And if I remember correctly, I believe he said he deals with ADHD. Though I like the idea of it, I don’t think sexing it up in a red dress is going to get the results I want with this guy. I don’t think it would fit well at a very casual 4th of July cookout. But it would certainly make me stand out!

[moonwhisper]

LOL… I am trying to picture someone barbecueing in stilettos and a little red dress. It makes for a comical picture.

There is so much confusion surround the whole attraction scene that it’s a wonder people ever get together at all. Seriously, though, men need to be respected and complimented. If you can find a quality about him that you appreciate, tell him so. He’ll remember it.

[Pirouette]

@moonwhisper

LOL… I am trying to picture someone barbecueing in stilettos and a little red dress. It makes for a comical picture.

There is so much confusion surround the whole attraction scene that it’s a wonder people ever get together at all. Seriously, though, men need to be respected and complimented. If you can find a quality about him that you appreciate, tell him so. He’ll remember it.

I know, right? I’m almost about to throw my hands up and say forget it. I really don’t think he’s that into me anyway. Thanks for your input though; it seems simple and doable. I’m just going to keep cool and keep things casual. Whatever happens, happens.

[diane999]

@Pirouette

Well, shoot, that’s not very encouraging. And yeah, he is the type to get easily distracted. And if I remember correctly, I believe he said he deals with ADHD. Though I like the idea of it, I don’t think sexing it up in a red dress is going to get the results I want with this guy. I don’t think it would fit well at a very casual 4th of July cookout. But it would certainly make me stand out!

TAF then… for ADHD, TAF seems to do the trick of laser focusing. I have ADD so does Xiphoid. Both of us love, love, love TAF.

Diane

[happykitsune]

Well I did read an article that said people are attracted to other people who have the right kind of pheros. I think the pheros that their lacking…erm…no that’s not right. But pheros can attract a guy by telling him subconsciously that your a “sexier/confident/upbeat” person even tho that might not be you. So in a way it’s fooling him, but it’s up to his full mind to decide if what he’s “reading” is really who you are. And it’s up to you to use those self effects to become a better person. Don’t change who you are. Just become a better you Guys like that

[happykitsune]

@tisha23

My take on it as you have described it above …

NO… they don’t confuse feelings or make him feel something for you he doesn’t. That’s not what mones do. They allow him to express what he otherwise has trouble expressing. Make him feel more comfort and increase the attraction. If there is no attraction to begin with mones wont create that or change that. They could make him horny but if he is not into you he will take that horniness elsewhere.

Your not fooling him or tricking him. While I do not agree totally with the 10/90 ratio many people use here I do know that mones will not change a person.

If mones could do that every single person who comes in contact with you wearing them would respond. Just dosnt happen.

Now the only time confusion can come into play is when someone very close to you knows your natural mone signature. They sense something different about you but cant place it and the reaction can be delayed but there are trying to place the difference. After repeated exposure they stop looking for whats different and just let their feelings flow.

Keep in mind there could be many reasons he is short with you by PM or IM He just may not feel comfortable communicating in this venue.

I am a world class talker. In person its hard to shut me up once I get to know you and I am comfortable. Online its much the same thing. I however don’t like the phone and I am short and clipped when I talk on it. I just find it uncomfortable and I don’t know why. anywhoooo my point is don’t use that as a gage for whether he is into you or not.

Tisha

Actually, I have to disagree with this.

Once I sprayed IShine on my guy friend who I have no feelings for and can never think of romantically.

By the end of the night when I was dropping him off I kept having thoughts of wanting to kiss him and go out with him. So weird. I’ve never thought that.

Then when we hung out again without the pheros the feelings were gone and I felt the same way about him as I always did. He was just my best friend.

I also think that if you wear something like P86 that your chances of thinking someone is hot or liking them could be raised by a good percent. You could end up taking someone home that night you’d never even dream of doing stuff with.
We’re dealing with stuff of magic here. Nothing can be left to chance lol

[happykitsune]

@Pirouette

Thanks, SCoupe and Tisha, for the replies. What you both said makes sense.

I wonder, is it best to stick to one pheromone product or combination of products when interacting with a particular guy? I think IS/A seems to work best with the above guy. (I’ve noticed that women respond well to it too.) I’ve tried SOE/w with him, and he seemed more stand-offish. Whereas SOE/w seemed to get a good reaction from a different guy. But both guys seem to respond positively when I wear IS/A. I’ll report some more on that one in the future.

I think you should wear whatever you like. But try out stuff with him first. I know when I had two TG’s they were polar opposites when it came to pheros. One I got really good reactions with one spray and the other it barely phased him. Just keep testing stuff out on your different guys and keep notes so you’ll know what pheros to wear around each guy and you won’t waste them.

[tisha23]

Your entitled to your opinion but I have been wearing mones for close to 9 years and they just wont create something that is not there.

Once I sprayed IShine on my guy friend who I have no feelings for and can never think of romantically.

By the end of the night when I was dropping him off I kept having thoughts of wanting to kiss him and go out with him. So weird. I’ve never thought that.

I test mones on male test subjects all the time. I have reported using AMMO on guys I am unattracted to and finding them more intriguing and attractive but not more sexually attractive then before. There is a difference. I would never consider them because I dont have any of those feelings for them to begin with. There is nothing to build on.

Mones work in the subconscious mind, They release emotions our conscious mind holds back but that emotion has to be there. Either you have some feelings for this person or its a placebo effect which is very well likely since you were aware of spraying him to begin with.

I also think that if you wear something like P86 that your chances of thinking someone is hot or liking them could be raised by a good percent. You could end up taking someone home that night you’d never even dream of doing stuff with.
We’re dealing with stuff of magic here. Nothing can be left to chance lol

Actually its science not magic and this is something we have strived to make people aware of here at androtics especially after they have been exposed to all the hyped up sites that promising magic and attracting hoards of people.

Think of it this way. If mones could do what your saying, every single person young and old would hit on you when you wear them. We both know this dosnt happen and its because your not fooling them or using magic. Its because they cant create something that is not already there to some degree.

Mones are like any other thing we use to enhance ourselves. Its like the pretty outfit, make up or wonder bra. They get you noticed but its up to you to do the rest. They dont make people do anything they are unwilling to do. If they did I would be stinking rich.

Tisha

[happykitsune]

Your entitled to your opinion but I have been wearing mones for close to 9 years and they just wont create something that is not there.

I realize your wealth of info, but I’ve found there are often exceptions to the rule. While rare, they are there.

I test mones on male test subjects all the time. I have reported using AMMO on guys I am unattracted to and finding them more intriguing and attractive but not more sexually attractive then before. There is a difference. I would never consider them because I dont have any of those feelings for them to begin with. There is nothing to build on.

I honestly can’t say I’ve ever had any feeling for him. Even the way he looks does not attract me. I can’t say it was placebo either. At the same time my TG was asking me to come over and I never think of anyone else but TG…but somehow those pheros caused me to get distracted and see him as someone that I could be with. Never would I ever date him.
Idk, it was just weird. But I am a very subconsciously driven person…I give into animalist ways too easilly. My self control is bad x.x

Mones work in the subconscious mind, They release emotions our conscious mind holds back but that emotion has to be there. Either you have some feelings for this person or its a placebo effect which is very well likely since you were aware of spraying him to begin with.

Actually its science not magic and this is something we have strived to make people aware of here at androtics especially after they have been exposed to all the hyped up sites that promising magic and attracting horads of people.

I know it’s science. But I like to call it my own bottle of magic. Before Androtics I would have never thought this stuff possible. But you are right. This is all the work of research and the study of what goes into attraction. I must be attracted to happier guys.

Think of it this way. If mones could do what your saying they can do every single person young and old would hit on you when you were them. We both know this dosnt happen and its because your not fooling them or using magic. Its because they cant create something that is not already there to some degree.

When I was them? Huh? Do you mean when I was with them? Not every single person, but most of the male population does. And I bet they all hit on you too Tisha
Not creating something, but it is making a window of opportunity. To me it told me: “Hey, look at your friend, hes a happier more confident person now. You like happy, confident guys. Date him” And here I am with a confused look on my face and wondering if I should lean in and kiss him even tho I still have feeling for my TG. No, that’s just not how I am. Lmao, my subconscious rules me.

Mones are like any other thing we use to enhance ourselves. Its like the pretty outfit, make up or wonder bra. They get you noticed but its up to you to do the rest. They dont make people do anything they are unwilling to do. If they did I would be stinking rich.

Well no it’s not gonna make people bow down and worship you. At least not everyone.
But I still can’t wrap my head around how he got me to like him. Oh well. The “spell” is gone now. Back to liking just one guy

[tisha23]

I think you have great self control. You didn’t act on the feeling. You acted with your conscious mind. But you probably do have feelings for this friend because you wouldn’t be friends if you didn’t. There is already a attraction or foundation to build on. Every attraction is not a sexual one and women are more emotion driven. Pheromones didn’t create a deeper attraction for him they just made you aware of it. Your conscious mind is saying for some reason or other your not compatible for that type of relationship.

Spray it on a guy you don’t like at all and its not gonna be the same feeling.

When I was them? Huh? Do you mean when I was with them?

LOL I know major typo. My fingers don’t work as fast as my mind LOL

Not every single person, but most of the male population does. And I bet they all hit on you too Tisha

Girl give yourself some credit. Its not just mones that are making them hit… its you. The mones just allow them to notice the emotion and respond to it. Actually to tell you the truth most the male population doesn’t hit on me. I do have a high ratio compared to some but its more then just a chemical attraction that triggers that. Its a combination of my personality, visual looks and chemical makeup. One without the others wouldn’t get me very far.

But I still can’t wrap my head around how he got me to like him. Oh well. The “spell” is gone now. Back to liking just one guy

That’s just it, the mones didn’t make you like him they just helped you tap into feelings you were not aware you had for him.

The conscious mind is where we keep what we have learned from the environment. Its where we think.

The subconscious is where we feel. its where our emotions live.

Your gonna" like " many people all at the same time in your lifetime. Hell Your gonna
“love” many people all at the same time but when that special person comes along and all the components of attraction kick in, both your conscious and you subconscious mind will become one.

Tisha

[happykitsune]

I think you have great self control. You didn’t act on the feeling. You acted with your conscious mind. But you probably do have feelings for this friend because you wouldn’t be friends if you didn’t. There is already a attraction or foundation to build on. Every attraction is not a sexual one and women are more emotion driven. Pheromones didn’t create a deeper attraction for him they just made you aware of it. Your conscious mind is saying for some reason or other your not compatible for that type of relationship.

Thanks. I’ve been trying to work on it. I used to act out whatever I felt. Been slowly becoming a better person. Not sure if all you’re saying is true, but it makes sense for the most part. If by feelings you mean I care about him as a person, then yes. Well, lol about as much as I can. I don’t really care that much about people, but I try if they’re willing to put out the effort of true friendship. So your saying you think me caring for him as a friend made me sexually attracted to him when I wore pheros? That still plays into my subconscious. And I still was heartbeats away from kissing him. I’m so confused. I believe your mostly right, but at the same time I can’t help but not control myself if the mood strikes me. Hopefully it was just a one time deal. Maybe I was tired. I tend to act more subconsciously when I’m tired since I go on autopilot. Hmm

Spray it on a guy you don’t like at all and its not gonna be the same feeling.

Thats a good idea. I’ll try that sometime. Thanks!

LOL I know major typo. My fingers don’t work as fast as my mind LOL

No big. I’m sure I had lots. We’ve probably both been working hard today. Or at least I was x.x

Girl give yourself some credit. Its not just mones that are making them hit… its you. The mones just allow them to notice the emotion and respond to it. Actually to tell you the truth most the male population doesn’t hit on me. I do have a high ratio compared to some but its more them just a chemical attraction that triggers that. Its a combination of my personality, visual looks and chemical makeup. One without the others wouldn’t get me very far.

Suppose it tis true. Just love that overall extra attention I get when I am wearing them. It’s feels like I’m layering myself with a new person and I guess that’s what creates the new person.

That’s just it, the mones didn’t make you like him they just helped you tap into feelings you were not aware you had for him.

Lol, if thats true then, gross. Hehe

The conscious mind is where we keep what we have learned from the environment. Its where we think.

The subconscious is where we feel. its where our emotions live.

That’s a good quote.

Your gonna" like " many people all at the same time in your lifetime. Hell Your gonna
“love” many people all at the same time but when that special person comes along and all the components of attraction kick in, both your conscious and you subconscious mind will become one.

Love two people?! At the same time? That’s like saying I love God and Satan
At least for me anyways. Idk…that’s just how I am. Gotta give my all to one person…even if it means ignoring friends…which sucks, but I can’t help it. My bff is the same way so I guess were perfect for each other lol I guess if you mean love a guy and family at the same time then yes

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I shall ponder it and hopefully try a little test with a guy I don’t like at all. Should be fun

[tisha23]

Love two people?! At the same time? That’s like saying I love God and Satan
At least for me anyways. Idk…that’s just how I am. Gotta give my all to one person…even if it means ignoring friends…which sucks, but I can’t help it. My bff is the same way so I guess were perfect for each other lol I guess if you mean love a guy and family at the same time then yes

LOL I don’t mean “in love” as in having sex. There are many degree’s of love.

One of my best friends is Male. He is not my husband although I consider him one of my best friends as well. I love them both. My husband knows him and knows we are best friends he also knows I love him. I would even go as far as to say I find my friend attractive sexually but we never act on it. Its just a different degree of love and my relationship with my husband is based on more then just love. All those components that make a good relationship just come together for us.

Love is infinite, you can never give it all to one person, you always have more. Its the way “god” made us. Every Love is different though. Its like something I talked to MarkinDallas about a while back. When a person says "I will never love anyone like I loved “so and so”. Its true in a way because love is unique but that doesn’t mean you will never love anyone else and it doesn’t mean that the love you feel for others is less. Its just different.

Thing is you cant build a relationship on love alone just like you cant build a relationship on looks alone or chemical attraction alone. It will only get you so far. There are so many other factors that come into play.

You and your bff just have all those other componants I was talking about that make you and him perfect for each other. I think its great.

Have fun testing.

Tisha

[diane999]

HappyKitsune,

I think you are both right, just looking at this through different lenses.

Animals have both modulator and releaser pheromones. Modulators influence but don’t cause behavior. Releasers cause behavior. At least that is the formal breakdown of types of pheromones that effect animals.

An example of a releaser pheromone in animals is Androstenone. In pigs, subjecting females to Androstenone cause them to assume a mating posture, and accept the male for mating. Finding a releaser pheromones for humans is kind of the holy grail for the PUA group, and that has driven much of the pheromone industry.

But, in human pheromone research we’ve found modulators and substances with some promise to be releasers. But we’ve found no releasers yet. Either we have lost those receptors, or our brains have become too sophisticated to respond to releasers in that way.

Modulators on the other hand… we have tons of those and pretty much any pheromone that works for you is a modulator of one kind or another. They can modulate your physical and emotional responsiveness to stimulation of one form or another, visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, touch, and they can modulate your internal perception and interpretation of incoming signals, and either cause an increase or decrease in mental alertness or emotional responsiveness.

They can change your responsiveness either through neurohormone release or other neurotransmitter regulation. Those regulatory neurohormones or neurotransmitters bring about real physical changes in your internal emotional, mental, and/or physical state.

Pheromones can increase or decrease anxiety. Pheromones can increase or decrease the firing rate of certain branches of nerves in your body. Pheromones can modulate your hunger. They can change the way you perceive sound, sight, touch, taste. They can ramp up your physical responsiveness to touch. They can increase or decrease your ability to empathsize with others. And they can influence (either up or down) your emotions in very powerful ways. Pheromones can also increase or decrease feelings of aggression or social harmony. Pheromones can make you feel giddy with happiness, and they can make you feel miserably sick and anxious. Pheromones can signal social dominance or submissiveness, sexual attraction and/or fear and danger.

How these effects exactly come about is still being researched, and what is really interesting is how different responses can be in different people. Genetics plays a huge role, I’m certain, as does your starting state. Difference in receptors can change whether or how strongly you respond to a certain pheromone. Differences in brain neurochemistry can change the way you react to a certain pherochemical signal.

I think if you are getting a novel response, and believe it is due to the pheromone, it is easy to test that again and see if it is repeatable. I generally don’t credit placebo effects to myself because I know my physical responses and baseline very well, and I can tell right away when something is different. Placebo effects in yourself would imply that the pheromone has no effect on you, and you are making one up. If you respond strongly enough to a pheromone that you can feel a difference, it is most likely not going to be a placebo.

It has been researched pretty well, that pheromones have different effects on the wearer when they are with someone of the opposite sex as opposed to when they are with someone of the same sex or alone. So, just because the effects are different on you around a guy doesn’t invalidate your responses at all, just the opposite!

Placebo is much more likely to be a factor in interpreting other people’s response to you wearing a certain pheromone, because we are looking for a response.

But test it again to see if it is repeatable. It is also a good idea when testing to note in your private testing journal where you are in your cycle, since some of the effects seem to increase or decrease in women depending on where we are in our hormonal state.

So, the effect in question happened when you were with a guy pal. Try wearing this same pheromone around another guy pal and see if you get the same response. Also since you’ve been with your friend now, without the pheromone and seen how things went back to normal, test the pheromone around this fellow again. And then test it around a gal pal. That will give you more information about how this pheromone effects you around different people and on different days.

Diane