Cockshow syndrome - ummm, why???!!!

Agreed, which is called the comfort stage. Thing is the guy that will sleep with a girl and move on is a very small minority. Most of the guys I knew growing up would get so unbelievably love sick over a girl that when the sex boundary was crossed, they were goners. At that point the world revolved around the girl. And the ones that never get to cross that line were the same type of guys but never given a chance to show it.

Actually and I know there are exceptions but this is the core of my point. The girls I used to get friendzoned with WOULD go out and sleep with guys they considered physically hot, even if they were rude, arrogant, not that bright etc. Because he met her physical needs. In fact the less patient and understanding the guy was, the better his chances were of being in a sexual relationship. And guys see this often enough to notice the pattern.
This is why I, and guys I’ve advised in the past always start showing sexual interest and building sexual tension early. Ultimately friendzoneing occurs because of a failure on the mans part to communicate that he is a sexual being. Not proud to admit it but when I was young and got stuck in the friend zone it was because I may as well have been a eunuchor at least gay.

What’s wrong with it that two of three people are getting what they want and getting their needs met at the expense of a third. The Jerk that displays NONE of the higher qualities the girl SAYS she wants is getting the sex he wants. The girl is getting her physical needs met with the Jerk (I assume otherwise she wouldn’t be with him) and getting her emotional needs met by using the fact that the nice guy wants her bad enough that he believes that by being the rock she can lean on that one day she’ll realize he’s the right guy for her. But all he gets is used when she needs him and then forgotten. Being used emotionally is as bad to men as being used physically is to women.

Perhaps I misspoke. I meant women I’m not interested in sexually. My female friends are relationships where they’re more like sisters which would make escalating the relationship sexual a bit creepy. As for limitations on the friendship. There’s a reason for that. First I’ve learned that telling a woman that the man she’s seeing is no good for her never works. I could point out that the man is wanted in several states for back child support, has no job, lives in his mothers basement and has two strikes on his record and give her every logical reason you could think of to run away from him screaming. And all it will do is put her in a defensive mindset and drive her even closer to him. Listning to her problems with men and giving her any advice she asks for is a waste of breath and an exercise in futility. And it hurts my ego to have a woman I might be interested in romantically drone on about the guy she DID decide was sex worthy yet has none of the positive qualities she herself says that I do. But if I’m interested in her, then it hurts just seeing her get hurt as well.

Besides which. me holding back a part of my emotional self is as much a limitation as her holding back a part of her physical self. It’s no more a limiting than saying “No sex”. Everyone has boundaries and a right to have them regardless of gender.

No insult, and my brain is the part that tell me “insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result” I’m very much driven by my baser instincts and my brain understand the biological imperative. I desire both sex AND companionship with a woman that will give me children. Allowing myself to become “one of the girls” doesn’t serve that purpose. And only makes for a relationship that serves her emotional needs but provides me with frustration. I would no more subject myself to the emotional discomfort of watching a woman I want sleep with other men than the woman would sleeping with a man she wasn’t attracted to. So I move on.

I have to disagree with the last part. In my opinion, it’s a mans lack of ego that gets him stuck in the friend box. Women don’t “friend zone” men for being arrogant. If ego doesn’t get the man into a sexual zone it gets him into NO zone. The friend zone is reserved for men that are either A.) mutually not interested in sex same as the woman in which case it’s great that both parties are on the same page. Or B.) he was unable to communicate his masculinity and and present himself as a sexual being early on in the relationship so she just “doesn’t see him that way”

Agreed, and I’m not suggesting that a man can’t be a womans friend, or that friendship and sex are mutually exclusive. Simply that it’s difficult and painful for a lot of men to be “JUST friends” with a woman they’re romantically attracted to

Oh I do I freely admit it. However it’s not that we don’t consider a woman to be “not worth keeping as a friend” so much as our own wants create a conflict of interest that can make it very painful to do so, especially when the woman see’s you as so asexual a being that she feels no hesitation or consideration for your own feelings that she thinks it’s totally ok to talk to you about the romantic and sexual part of her life that she knows full well you want to be a part of. It’s not an insult, it just means we’re not feeling very masochistic.
Likewise I never discuss my romantic relationships with my female friends. If any are interested in me romantically they have not made their feelings known but women are less inclined to risk their ego by taking responsibility for escalating the relationship so I suppose it’s possible that I may have a female friend that thinks of me in a romantic sense. I doubt it but knowing that it’s possible I keep that part of my life out of it. I can’t imagine a woman that is romantically attracted to me being interested or comfortable hearing me talk about my relationship with some other woman anymore than I would be interested in hearing a woman I wanted, talking about the guy she’s seeing. I know how much it can hurt and I won’t do that to another person.

My advice would be to pull the plug and move on.

Enough said :cool: I’m sure theres lots of dudes around to experiment on :slight_smile:

it depends on what she is looking for. If sex is all she wants, I guess it can work out, although the guy seems like a real freak. I have seen girls sleep with guys like this, so you never know.
If sex is not what you want, tell him to get lost, lol

In the light of the morning, after four hours of sleep, I think you’re right.

Actually, there aren’t, not around here. Its quite the hick town. Thats one thing I never took into consideration or even thought of when I moved here - there are no guys of my caliber to date, at least not that I know of.

No thanks, lol. I want the same thing most girls want (and most guys too, please correct me if I’m mistaken) - love/sex/friendship/respect/companionship. :slight_smile:

Sure, some guys do. I like it that way, but that’s almost asking too much! You’re lucky to get a couple of the above. Many of my male friends keep their womenfolk mainly for love/sex. The friendship/respect/companionship comes from their male buddies. Seems to be a cultural thing and they don’t change easily.

you’re a smarter man than me. honestly it really is one of the most insulting things in the world to hear girls that friendzone you complain about what assholes the guys they DO hook up with are.

Having it all in one person just makes so much more sense, plus it makes for a better relationship as love and sex are so much better and more fulfilling when put together with friendship/respect/companionship. A more solid relationship too, I might add, with both partners much less likely to stray because their needs are not being adequately met. I think this is what causes “loneliness” in marriages and long term relationships.

Okay, I have a question I need to ask of you wonderfully wise fellows.

I would like to end this scenario in the most graceful way, with the least amount of hurt and discomfort on all sides.

If you were Mr. Cockshow lusting after a neighbor (who didn’t return that sentiment), what would be the best thing she could say to you to put an end to it, without making you feel hurt and without making you feel resentment towards her? And also make you respect her (and maybe even want to be friends, like real friends, and no, don’t groan, I heard that, lol).

You’re asking for a lot :slight_smile:

Those guys AREN’T the guys that get friendzoned though! That’s the problem. The guys that accept friendship first get told they don’t want to risk ruining the friendship. The ones that just keep prowling, the ones that girls all say have these qualities they hate, end up getting what they want!
Now people obviously have a right to be interested in whoever they want. All I’m saying is that more than a few girls abuse it, say “be friends first” then “don’t want to ruin our friendship”- and on follows years of rubbing your nose in it by complaining about how much they hate the guys they actually do hook up with. It gets to the point where there is no benefit for being nice because the jerks and assholes of the world seem to win it all.
I might have to pick up some IJ, come to think of it :smiley:

You just have to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and just keep on going. Unfortunately there are losers and users of both genders, and we just have to pick through the rocks to find the diamonds, of which there are plenty. :slight_smile:

When you continue to have negative thoughts about things best left in the past, it will continue to happen to you, because you are giving those thoughts energy, which in turn gives them life.

I think you’re missing the point. Some things are meant to be and they’ll come together in their perfect timing. And some things aren’t meant to be and trying to strongarm a woman into a sexual or romantic relationship ultimately ends in failure and disappointment. Basically if she doesn’t want you romantically, move on if you have no interest in her as a friend or human being. Once she enters into a relationship she didn’t really want it will soon go to crap.

I was once one of those assholes persisantly pursuing women until I wore them down. Sure I got honey on my stinger but the cost was great injury to these women as I moved on. It’s easy to do if you have lots of time to scam. I actually felt extremely bad about it afterwards as it was serious shit to them and some of them still hate me years later. And, yes, I caused 2 divorces, an unwanted pregnancy, one woman had a mental breakdown (3 months in the hospital) and a hoe lotta very bad karma. I was an raging asshole deluxe. I guess we tend to learn the hard way. Friendship is so much nicer after all that.

I think some people see the whole nice guy vs jerk thing in too much of a black and white sort of manner. Its honestly not a paradox. A dude who’s kind “can” get laid. In general the reason women gravitate towards the so-called jerk is because the exhibit a certain facade of qualities that are on point with what she wants confidence/ assertiveness wise.

A true nice guy is a dude who inhibits his own sexuality thinking thats the way to win her heart. A nice guy does nice things like buying her stuff or listening to her emotional nonsense hoping that closeness/comfort/loyalty points will add up so they can purchase her heart with all the “time” they’ve invested in being good to her. A nice guy is a people pleaser that doesn’t think for himself. He does this because he has no confidence so he seeks approval from others more powerful than himself so that he may be under their veil of protection. A nice guy does nice things for people (see:girls) in order to make up for what he perceives he doesn’t have hoping to show the girl he’s a good provider for her. A nice guy can possibly be passive aggressive. He can also be possibly be only doing these things because he wants something in return. Kindness is supposed to be of your own accord it isn’t necessarily reciprocal.

Guys have to start embracing their masculinity and sexuality in the best possible light. Fact is the world isn’t the same anymore. We no longer have a rights of passage for own sons to take part so they can perhaps better understand what it truly means to become a man. We need to start being the heros that women want us to be in order to show them we’re worth having and that we’re on track with the way things are supposed to be. I’m not saying women are supposed to be damsels they can be heros too but I think men in general have lost their way.

You don’t have to be alpha to be the one that gets the girl. You just need to exhibit enough of the alpha qualities that reside in each and every male which women gravitate towards, not the jerk persona that we all seem to bash because we ignorantly believe thats the only thing women respond well to. Noone is to blame for this, Not the jerk, Not women, Not the nice guys.
There is a natural order to things and that will always reign true. Once your in alignment with this people will see you differently and women will want to be romantically involved with you more often than not.

On top of that theres one powerful aid that we all possess the knowledge of its existence and to a certain extent its usage. Pheromones. With some determination and resiliency of mind/heart/soul we can all try to become the best possible person we can be with pheromones at our side.

You shouldn’t even bother with women who are attracted to jerks, because they still haven’t learned what they really want in life. Through time and experience, they will learn or they will not learn. You can wait around to see if they’ll learn, or you can move on to someone’s who has already learned what they want.

And you’re attracted to the women who are attracted to the jerks, because she is not available, and it is human nature for us to more badly want what is just out of our reach.

This goes for women too, we too often want what we cannot have, particularly when we are young and don’t know any better. Because feeling loved is so important to women (and to men as well), too often we are attracted to those guys who are not capable of it, because that affection is always just out of reach. And the real jerks just toy with us, dangling their affection like a carrot we can’t quite get to. Like the golden ring on the merry-go-round carousel.

I used to be one of those women who was attracted to those jerks (of course not realizing they were really jerks until my heart got smashed around a few times). I’ve learned my lesson, and I’ll take a nice guy who treats me well any day. And I’d rather grow old alone than be with a jerk.

And yes, it is possible to be an alpha, show that you are a sexual being, without being a jerk and an asshole.

AKA: coolkatdc :wink:

=giving up on women entirely
The negatives of being in high school

Only temporarily though, lol :stuck_out_tongue: thats what growing up is all about (and why it sucks), for all of us, finding ourselves, and figuring out what the hell is going on. Many are successful in doing this early on, and some just never do.

Okay, I’ve locked my doors and am going to sleep really early, I’m too tired to deal with this tonight. Maybe if I hide out enough he’ll go away. But nah, thats no way to live.

Bonne nuit!!

It is. Alpha merely means being acutely in touch with your masculinity and so comfortable with it that it is unshakable. Nothing touches it. Its not fragile. Therefore people’s opinions are useless in concern to your identity.

The great thing about an alpha who is a nice guy, is he may say things similar to what a “jerk” may say, or the exact same thing..but his context in almost always in jest. He’s poking fun, he’s testing the waters. A jerk’s words may or may not stem from wounds or what he was taught that “works.”

A true alpha has no problem letting others lead, delegating, and observing others. He also has no issue with taking initiative. He knows what he wants, focuses on it, and finds a way to get it. If a woman he is interested in doesn’t work out? Oh well…too many fish in the sea to get butt hurt over it.