Hi guys!!
The big problem i am having is avoiding the friend zone.
how do we avoid the friend zone? What is the best way to get women
to think of us more than just a friend?.This is a big obstacle i am dealing with,women dont mind me as a friend and i have several of them.
Is there a real reason why women just flirt and play games with me
and never become more than friends? Am i doing something wrong?
Im sure a lot of guys have the same problem as me and I was wondering how they overcame this problem. Is this due to them not being attracted to me? i dont feel i am an ugly guy,maybe a little overweight and shy sometimes, but im overcoming the shyness.I am learning to be an alpha male and it works great in getting the respect and attention from women ,but my goal of getting a girlfriend eludes me. I flirt and do all the right things and they still never show me more than friendship. How can i tell if women are realy interested and not just playing games or just using me because they know i think they are attractive? Women do that a lot with me by the way..
Any advice on this would be great ,ive tried pheromones and have had little success in getting a date so far.When is the right time to aproach a women in the workplace? And how do i aproach them without being accused of sexual harrassment?..i would never want to do that to anyone or scare a person…any tips or feedback would be awesome 
thanks i look foward to hearing your guys ideas!
Stop giving them time.
Become scarce.
Play a game in a bar, have them rate other women, find a flaw and relate it to them.
Unless you are a catch, you are a friend.
How do you know you are an alpha male?
I was told by a friend who is a beta very beta female, she does not understand how I can hit on women as it make her uncomfortable if I were to do that to her.
IE, her guy is a beta beta guy as well.
Do not try to seem non-threatening, helpful, sympathetic, or otherwise overly friendly to women you have just met. You can be friendly, but don’t be an ass-kisser. The best way to stay out of the friend zone is to communicate through touching, this lets women know that there is a sexual undertone to the interaction. Sexual interest should be communicated through touching, not words which results in confusion, there’s a sexual undertone, but you haven’t verbalized interest.
You might be an orbiter which is a guy who an attractive woman allows to hang around her. He’s not quite a friend, but he’s “okay” enough not to be considered creepy. Women keep orbiters around to raise their social standing, to get favors, or as an easy source of amusement.
Signs you just may be an orbiter:
- You’ve bought the last 4 rounds of drinks for her friends.
- You’ve never met up with just her alone.
- She calls you when you when she needs a ride, favor, loan, or something else even your friends don’t normally ask for.
- She jokingly refers to you as "one of her boys:
- She calls you 1-2 times a month/year/decade
Hey yeah i have this problem also, i could always get dates but after a few weeks it woud turn out the girl would go funny and tell me she just wants to be freinds because im to nice a guy and she wouldnt want to hurt me.
Ive found the best way to get dates is to be yourself but also be cocky mixed with funny but not to cocky and as above point out a slight flaw in her and just joke about it dont be mean or anything just a bit of teasing.
get her nnumber and get out say you have to go do something can you get her number so u can get intouch.
Then call her after a day or so, but also i found emails are better for breaking the ice coz some girls seem to go a bit weird when you talk to the m on the phone. lol
" tell me she just wants to be freinds because im to nice a guy and she wouldnt want to hurt me."
Cocky Funny…
I would have straight face replied…
“Aww… that is so cute… you know what, that’s cool, you go right ahead and stay friends with me, tell ya what, I am actually dying to get my rocks off , so I’m going for a drink. I have to move our meetings to day time “safe time” as to not interfere with my prowl time, but hey, good luck out there in the mine fields slugger”
insert light shoulder hit
DONE
I know orbiter status, You have to say to them in your words,
Hey, I am socially aware, I do the same stuff you do and get free drinks, I am desirable and know I am as well.
You want to chill, gimme a call, if not I’ll see you around.
I like your way of thinking
Lol it works tho!
there are more women in the world then men
They are all pretty
One of them somewhere will love you no matter what… it just may not be that one.
move on
True that!
Do u rekon that if there was someone that you went out with and stuffed up and ended up in the “freind zone” that it could be assisted in changing to more than freinds with pheros and the right “moves”
Women are attracted to men of confidence, accomplishment and a little mystery: you have a real life, promising career and some secrets. Get your shit together. She wants a guy with a future so you can father your children and pay their college tuitions.
Nice is good in a gentlemanly way, but don’t be needy, clingy or talk to her like you’re one of her girlfriends or she’s your friggen sister. Hold her glaze and let her know with your eyes and body language you see her as a woman. Most of what decides “friend or mate” is nonverbal and is set very early in the relationship, sometimes in the first few minutes if you really nail it or blow it. The important thing is to maintain mild sexual tension and a certain level of mystery: keep her guessing and leave her something to think about.
While the advice of “cocky funny” can work with younger women if skillfully done, it will seem forced and awkward if you’re not naturally “cocky funny.” Luckily I am, but I’ve seen my buds totally strike out and end up being perceived as a major jerk. Also, more sophisticated women have seen it all, so “play it by ear” for each situation insures a higher rate of success than a light switch approach. And, yeah, some women are really serious and find cocky-funny antics a turnoff, so listen and watch her carefully before launching into your comedy act. Some of the hottest women in bed are intellectuals, at least in college towns, and are better impressed with witty refinement.
I will refer to women as my associates.
If I want one to leave my social circle, they get “fired”
New ones get “hired”
Some get to snuff the Boss…
That’s my frame and I’m sticking to it.
I got a plan, single till I am in my mid 40’s
My future wife was born like a year aho or smth
I’m typing this as I am drinking a Coors light “code blue” getting dressed to go out for an hour and a half to throw some darts and see about picking up a stray for a quickie tonight.
Got to test my new mix I formulated “Essence of dos-XX man”
yeah thats true, im pretty natural with the cocky funny stuff but yeah i guess ud look like a goon if u were trying to put it on.
Lol i like your ways haha! good stuff
Hey Phantom777, it’s a difficult thing. I know, I was ALWAYS there too, and it took A LOT of work to get past that. I think the secret is to just be honest about your feelings with them from the beginning. You hear “Honesty is the best policy,” and a lot of times it’s true. Hope it works out for you man, remember one at a time. Lots of love bro. Smileyface.
Watch out girl loose in the mens forum LOL 
First your not doing anything wrong per say. You got some good advice from the men. You dont want to be mean but you dont want to be to nice either. Girls are not much different then men. You ever notice some guys (not all) will chase just for the sake of chasing and once they catch their “prey” release it. Well women flirt to do the same thing. Its the catch and release game. If you watch the discovery channel all mammals do it LOL Seriously watch you will see the classic mating dance.
Now think of attraction like fishing. Dangle your bait (behave) 
then as the fish approaches pull it away a little. Keep doing it until you attract your fish. Now the key to staying out of the friends box is to never really let her catch the bait. You dont want to pull the bait away to fast or far or the fish grows uninterested and moves on and you dont want to let them catch the bait totally because then they just chew it up and look elsewhere for more You gotta find that balance and keep them chasing the bait.
Now keep in mind that at the same time your fishing so is the female. She is fishing for a mate and the one she has to chase a little is more fun then the one who swims right up to her and doesn’t evoke any emotions. Its human nature. Women are emotional creatures and we respond well to those who evoke our emotions…those who make us feel. She is dangling her bait as well and if her prey totally swallows it the chase is over. You can easily slip into the friends box.
The key to staying out of the friends box is the chase really. This is one of the reasons I started using mones. I have never stopped trying to make my husband chase me because once you do well your just friends. The fact that I have not stopped lends itself to my chasing him as well.
You dont have to just use verbal cues. Your body language says a whole lot without you knowing it. Work on that first tne work up to verbal cues. Good books to get…
Tisha
It’s great to have a woman’s perspective on something like this, but I have to warn about carrying it on for too long.
I’m in sort of the same, (friends box), situation because I played hard to get. To stay with the fishing analogy, if you don’t let the fish actually take the bait you’re not going to catch it.
Very true. The problem I used to have was RECOGNIZING that the woman was interested in me. It wouldn’t even cross my mind that they might be attracted to me. After a while of not noticing they just assumed that I wasn’t interested. Then I’d find out through a third person that I’d missed a great opportunity. Now that I know what to look for, things are a lot easier for me to know that a woman is interested.
Good point, A better way to say it is dont give up all your bait always save some to dangle later