Do pheromones really work, or is it all confidence and congruence?

[tisha23]

@nafiro

I’m still skeptical,but then people tell me to try and od on it by spraying a lot of it on. Yes it does give me a headache however 10 sprays of anything will give anyone a headache, like cologne or bug spray! Then people say that you have to be congruent, but I think that’s just bull. If you need to act confident for the mones to work, then you are just wasting your time with the mones, the pheromones don’t do anything, YOU do everything, its all in your head

Its a scientific fact that pheromones do communicate signals between all mammals and you my dear are a mammal.

I dont know who told you to try to OD on it to prove it works but whomever did knows absolutely nothing about pheromones. The OD effect in most cases is the ghost effect which to a new user would seem like they are not working.

Side effects like headaches do not indicate that they work either. I get headaches from fresh cut grass but that is not a indication that its doing anything for me.

You are misunderstanding congruency. Of course if your acting totally different then its you not the mones causing the effect.

The point of congruency though is to match the signal your sending pheromonally with the other signals we naturally send in our other forms of communication like body language and verbal communication

Opposing signals just look weird. Go do this… Stand in front of a full length mirror. Put a mean look on your face, use tense closed body language now while keeping that posture and expression look at yourself and say “Hi how are you today, you look like a nice guy, I wanna get to know you” . You look goofy dont you LOL. Its not congruent. Your sending mixed signals.

Now shake that off… relax, smile, open up your body posture. Look at yourself in the mirror and say the same thing I told you to say before. You look pretty good dont you ? There is a big difference.

That is congruency…

Now suppose your wearing IO which from reading all your posts is what you ordered.

Picture this…

Your sending a pheromonal signal that your a friendly upbeat warm fun attractive individual who is open to communication. But your standing there hunkered down in the corner, your facial expressions… a frown, you wont make eye contact, your looking down or away from people.

Your body language… your shoulders are hunched and your chest is pulled in. Your hands are in fists instead of open and loose, your body is tilted away from those around you like your ready to run.

Your verbal skills People take a chance anyways and actually speak to you. Maybe ask you the time or say hi and you ignore them or mumble something in return. You dont participate in the conversation.

We talk about congruency to avoid that picture above. We all make natural pheromones and those natural ones we make are congruent with who we are. When your using synthetic pheromones you may be using some that are not naturally congruent with who you are so your signals dont flow naturally.

Now no one is saying put on IO and walk up to people and start conversations and act all different. Your shy and thats just not gonna happen till you build up some confidence at which point you may not even need IO.

However… Be mindful of the other signals your sending. Try to be congruent with those signals to the mix your wearing.

IO… Stand up straight with a open body posture. Relax your face, smile, make eye contact even if its brief and if someone comes up and says nice weather we are having…speak clearly. “Yes it is”

Match the signal your sending. That is congruency.

For those who do not think body language makes a big difference go to google and type in “pictures of body language” The top link should be a pile of pictures from all over the net. Look at them and try to read the information each person is sending about themselves and their emotions. People speak to us all the time without ever saying a word. Learn to speak the language.

Now lets look at your pheromone use…

@nafiro

I put on two sprays of instant openness x1 on my wrists. One spray of instant honestyx2 on my wrists, and then another spray of instant openness on my neck. I went through the day just like any other day. I even tried to imitate a conversation, but it didn’t go anywhere. So then after about 5 hours I went to the bathroom, and put one spray of instant openness to my wrists and a spray of instant honesty to my neck. Still no effect. Not even a self effect.

Pheromones work in the subconscious and not everyone gets self effects. They are for signaling to others not yourself so forget about the self effect part.

The wrists are not really good application points. Chest, neck, back of head, forearms. Especially if your shy which you mentioned you were in your intro.

@nafiro

I tried to find my sweet spot and today I put on 3 sprays of instant openness . 1 to the chest, and 2 near the elbow on each side of my arm.

So I was around about 4 people just sitting down, and no one really seemed interested in me and did not try to initiate a conversation with me. So then I tried to initiate a conversation many time, but nothing. So then later in the day I’m with some new people and they are all really chatty, more than normal.

Did it work? Also should I go up to 4 sprays tomorrow? I also have no self effects to instant openness , is there anyone else here that has no self effects?

Here you noticed results but again your looking for self effects. Your aware of the pheromones so they are conscious to you. Dont look for self effects.

Normal dosages range from 3 to 5 sprays.

convinced it did not work

Instant openness did not work for me at all. I tried it many different places, and nothing. Everything just seemed normal and no one seemed to talk more than usual. I even told my friend about it, and he tried it for 2 days and he didn’t notice anything either. So maybe IO isn’t for me. Is it possible that my body already produces these pheromones, so adding more will do nothing? I am also thinking of ordering Ammo, A314, and Instant jerk, and if I don’t see any results I will try Spaceland whic…

In the above linked thread I tried to help you but you did not respond. We can only help if your give us information to work with.

At first I did not notice any self effects or any different behavior from other people. But I kept trying it and when the togo bottle was done I have started noticing results. So there are these guys that I know, and I talk to them occasionally, but I wouldn’t have called them my friends, and after 3 weeks of using Instant openness , they started to actually open up and become more friendly and helpful. So what I have notices is, that I need to use Instant Openness for a while around the same people to get any results, and that it is all extremely subtle. So I am convinced pheromones work. Although I need to try out stronger mones now.

Here you notice some results. Yes it does take longer to see results with people we know well or interact with every day. They have preconceived notions about you and it takes time for them to register the new signals your sending.

I give off a bad vibe in job interviews: which pheromones should I use?

First let me explain my situation. I am looking for a part time job, but I suck at interviews, or at least that’s what I thought. It turns out I give off a bad vibe, because I answer the questions the best I can, keep eye contact, smile and all of that. However I went for an interview and my friend was being interviewed before me, and then later he told me the questions he asked him and he said just the basic stuff, like why he wants the job, availability etc… When he told me this I was like WHA…

Here you describe a interview you had. Now you mention eye contact and facial expression but I can tell just from your attitude in the post your body language was closed. Plus the facial hair thing doesn’t go over big in the restaurant business. Pheromones help but you got to work with them not against them.

You mention your giving off a weird vibe. I suggest you get some body language books and read up on it or look at the free resources online at least.

Thats exactly the point I’m trying to make! Why not skip out on the mones and just go talk to people!!!

Makes sense but if you could do that you probably wouldn’t be here would you ? Pheromones are just part of attraction and interaction. I wish I could tell you that all you need is a bottle and its effortless but its not. Pheromones are a tool you can add to your arsenal of social tools to improve sociability and relationships. The hammer doesn’t build the house the man holding the hammer does.

I think you have some misconceptions about pheromones though and because they didnt live up to those misconceptions you may miss out on a useful tool that can help. Not do it all for you but enhance your ability to improve socially.

This is why I coach on a more holistic level instead of just handing a bottle to people and telling them it will fix all there problems. Your here for self improvement… we all are. Pheromones are just part of that journey. I understand your frustrated but if you decide to keep trying and want help let me know. I coach here pro bono. But if you think that pheromones will do it all for you then maybe this is not for you.

The choice is up to you.

Tisha