Hey there. I know that several molecules have been used by men to make their mixes more fast-acting or hard-hitting, such as p83. Well, I need advice on something that could perform a mix-enhancing function that is effective toward men. As far as I know, p83 only really works toward women.
There’s this guy that I’m laying some groundwork with. I successfully saturated him in IS/A during our first encounter, and sparked some initial crushiness. I unexpectedly saw him at a coffee shop last night, he was performing live music. I just happened to be trying out IS/A with p96. At no point was I able to saturate him. We very briefly chatted at a distance (when he was pausing between songs) and he walked by me a few times as he was busy doing things. And the air was cool and gusty. If anything, he might have been at the edge of my ever-shifting cloud. In my experience, IS/A needs proximity, and p96 needs time. Both were things I didn’t have much of. I’m certain he got at least the occasional brief whiff, I did catch the occasional “that look” in his eye. But that’s not good enough for me.
Any advice? What could I use to cut out the proximity or time factor, or give more vivid impact to exposure?
I don’t know if you want advice from a man or woman. I use TAF to enhance any mix, for a “look at me” effect - I find the strongest effects at 20mcg but it’s not always consistent. I would start with 5mcg TAF.
For a disinhibition and enhancing effect similar to P83, I suggest looking at Beta THDOC. Alpha Dream is, as far I’m aware, the only vendor that stocks this one, but I can confirm it works on both men and women, as it’s used in quite a few of the women’s mixes from PXS.
I’m going to second still’s recommendation of TAF as well. That’s always a good one, and more sustainable over the long-term vs P83 as well. There should be a restock in about a week as well. Talking to Brian, there’s a good chance 2.5mcg will be restocked. Despite what still says, I’d start even lower at 2.5mcg. TAF gets less consistent and predictable as you increase the dose. Lower doses have always proven more reliable in my experience, as I’m sure most of you are already aware. 7.5mcg is about the highest I’d go for any sort of consistency. Beyond that, it’s pointless for daily use.
That amaze me, if you want physical contact and fast action is P83 the right choice. I would try IS/B with P83. IS/A is too dominant, more like Instant Mistress… P78 is also nothing to sneeze it and also a good combo with P83. Or maybe try a low dose TAK, it makes you more approachable.
TAF, eh? I hadn’t even considered it. Sounds like the reigning suggestion so far; I’ll certainly be checking it out. When you guys say that the effects are unpredictable at higher doses, what sort of adverse reactions are you getting?
That doesn’t matter, as long as the mones affect men. You guys know what gives you self-effects, and what has given you hits from men (even if they weren’t intended).
You’re certain AD doesn’t carry this under some other name?
I’ve never heard reports of p83 affecting a man. All the reports I’ve seen show drastic effectiveness with women, only.
While it would be great, I’m not too concerned about physical contact and “action” right off the bat. What I want initially is solid attachment. I’m okay with him being off his game if I make him feel all flustered inside.
Also, I have no trouble attracting guys who like strong women. I don’t really jive with the “beta female” thing. I want him to know what I’m about, and I want him to like it. I will still take a look at your suggestions, though.
I’d be surprised if Androtics didn’t already have this molecule on hand - whether or not they’ll mention the coded name is a different matter entirely. Come to think of it, I meant to send Bryan a PM regarding this one. Better get to that, then.
As far as TAF OD effects, I’ve mostly noticed over-stimulation on both ends and hyperfocusing on every little detail of the wearer, positive or negative, a strong tendency to overanalyze the wearer and the situation. For obvious reasons, this is not something desirable for everyday wear, and rarely desirable in general. Keep in mind, amplifying pheromones broaden the entire spectrum, not just the positive. Too much of a good thing is, in any case, a truly awful thing. That being said, lower doses have always felt just right for me. Just enough to bring your target to the edge, but not so much to push them off the cliff. A low-dose of TAF provides just the right push and is rarely overwhelming, IME.
How do you feel this compares to p102? I know p102 was recommended and raved for a while, but I don’t know that anyone really made any targeted in-depth reports about it. Myself, I started using it improperly right away, and experienced similar adverse effects, then never went back to it.
I have yet to test P102 as a putative, only contained in a mix (epiallopregnanolone in XiSt). I can’t be of any help here, unfortunately.
Edit: looking strictly at the amplifying effects of the two, XiSt feels like more of an emotional amplifier while TAF feels more like it amplifies the traits of the wearer. There does seem to be a different type of focus between TAF and P102, but without having tested P102 alone, it’s impossible to say what this is. I have a fairly large order coming up here soon, and may try including P102 in there.
I can tell you from my point of view it’s one of the most effective molecules on men, not only on women. Smiles, status, social and compliments… Women, they are the ones who react more borderline like to it. On males it’s positive constant. The only problem is maybe to use it in a relationship, for both genders.
Ironic, and as if to underscore many of the “science (or lack thereof) issues” in mones, take a look at the wikipedia entry for THDOC. Now this prototypical neurosteroid that appears in most textbooks. There’s an error in the wikipedia article. The person pointing it wins some sort of whatever make believe prize I can think of. I just point that out that I’m not sure on any given day if the molecule I’m reading about is the correct one. According to the rumors I’ve heard, real, American-made reference standard THDOCs (absolutely no consistency in literature as to the Alpha and Beta trivial names–they are technically C21, 3 Alpha steroids) are expensive. Like I don’t think Androtics could sell it without losing money. But when I found out LS was selling “reagent grade” BNOL at a cheap price, that only enhanced my skepticism about vendors of molecules. The term Beta THDOC is usually only used by phero companies. Textbooks used standard abbreviations for the IUPAC names. But anyway, Wikipedia is wrong. Just goes to show. I don’t think anybody sells it as a single to consumers, just because both 3 Alpha forms are $$$. They only use tiny amounts for steering in mixes. It’s in the same realm of esoteric compounds as P96. If you want a good alternative, TAK is good, cheap and potent.
Just a quick note because I have to get to work, but I LOVE P83 and P78…I used them both very successfully with men as my target. I used P83 many, many times with my former love. It was very definitely effective!
I have a journal, there might be something in there that would give you a better idea of what I used it with.
Trust me! P83 is one of my very favorite molecules and I always make sure to have some on hand. Actually getting ready to unleash it on someone new.
In what situations were they effective? Were they useful for short-term exposure on strangers? For my purposes, repeat exposure with someone you know well isn’t helpful. And when you say that you used them successfully, what exactly were the results? What specific effects did you observe?
Oh my gosh. I feel like a total fool. I just realized that I was using IS/B, not IS/A. Big difference. I’ve never tested IS/B, and had been planning to save it for specific testing. I was working with a wild card in my deck. My combo might have worked just fine if I’d been wearing what I intended. No wonder I felt so beta and vulnerable! I felt shaky and nervous as hell when I first put the combo on. Definitely not pleasant self-effects!
Still, thank you to everyone who chimed in! I’ll still be trying your suggestions for future endeavors!
P78 is also nothing to sneeze it and also a good combo with P83. Or maybe try a low dose TAK, it makes you more approachable.
The only problem is maybe to use it in a relationship, for both genders.