I reckon this thread should be dedicated to describing what we know about all the different experimone and putative mixes so people browsing can have a 1 stop to check out all these different mixes and what their believed effects are. The androtics website provides no information on it, and its quite an effort to keep searching for every single one of these mixes and then to remember them all while continually browsing.
So from everyone’s knowledge we can have 1 thread about these mixes for easy knowledge and browsing?
Lets go through all the T* mixes, MX* mixes and P* mixes.
I would start but im clueless about them but im really curious to learn about them.
Well, to recap on the T-molecules the information I have gleaned so far from sifting through the forums and to expound upon that slightly with my own experiences I would have to say…
Molecule A (TAA) – This is the hub of the Instant Shine product. It imparts a feel-good aura around the wearer and unless worn with extreme frequency the wearer feels great as a result as well. However, by itself it fades very quickly (not in the Instant Shine product, but the Experimone itself), though as the oil based product, it does not diffuse quite well enough so one ends up using more than would otherwise be desirable.
Molecule C (TAC) – Surprisingly little is known about this molecule. It has been stated to be anti-aggressive, and create an environment that is happy and talky and joke-laden. (Thank tacitus who has done the majority of research on this molecule.)
Molecule F (TAF) – This is a wonderful molecule that excels at making a keen observer out of the wearer and those in their phero-cloud. TAF makes every tiny detail stand out, such as being able to see every grain of sand on the floor, every spec of dust, or every IOI with detail and clarity. Many users (mostly female) have reported it to be very focusing, allowing them extreme concentration and is purported to be of extreme benefit to accountants or similar jobs. Suggested dosage ranges from 1 mcg to about 15 mcg and the effects last for around 2-5 hours. Note: This molecule has been known to prompt people to perform massive cleaning, personally, I suspect this is because they could see each and every single spec of dirt or dust within eyesight and almost count them.
Molecule H (TAH) – This is a female Experimone that bestows a wonderful girly sort of feeling on the wearer and those exposed to it definitely know. Not suggested for males without a manlier molecule or blend to override the absolute female suggested by this Experimone. For females, dosages range from 30 mcg to around 60 mcg with good effect. This is the primary molecule in Instant Sexiness B. For males, dosages range from 1 mcg to about 5 mcg and always covered with something manlier. (As a manlier blend, I would suggest things like A314, Instant Gentleman, IFM, or other things with manly molecules like –rone, -none, -anone, or A-1). Effects last for around 2-6 hours. Note: Some males have noticed good results with extreme dosages as high as 150 mcg when blended with TAL at equal ratios and large amounts of A314 – see post Wife stealing made easy with MX134
Molecule K (TAK) – This molecule is very calming, having even a sedative effect at 20 to 50 mcg doses. Some find it helpful in battling insomnia. Very mellowing on the environment. Very anti-aggression. Fades rather quickly, lasting 1-2 hours. See post Initial TAK observation
Molecule L (TAL) – This is another female Experimone that grants the wearer a bit of confidence and is the primary molecule in Instant Sexiness A. The effects of this are something akin to a being in charge vibe that others definitely pick up on. As a female wearing this, you will simply expect people to go along with your wishes and they will be happy to do so. Suggested dosage is between 15 mcg and 60 mcg for females and between 1 mcg to 5 mcg for males (again covered in something manlier. See TAH). Effects last for 2-5 hours.
part of the group coordination family. comic more than happy. pulls in a different direction to taa and you need something like p74 to be able to wear both without strange results.
prevents premature closure of reticular activating system. can make one a bit clumsier. also makes it difficult to sleep. you won’t notice all that much at 10mcg necessarily - can go higher.
michael says you can wear as much as you like provided at least same dose of male molecules also worn.
definitely something that men can wear (and at higher doses) - see older posts for the effects.
It’s a cool idea. Bear in mind one challenging aspect of this is that if you haven’t personally experienced the mix or one like it then you may miss significant aspects of the report when you try to summarize it.
FWIW, I stumbled across the strangest combination last night, starting with a mild mix of EST,P74, and TAC, and adding to this P86, P93, and P96, so the whole little 2 ml. vial held about 100 mu each of the above, although not exactly, because of squirt inexactitude, between 50-100 mu., and the EST,P74, and TAC at much lower levels…
Anyway… yon Tacitus is technically celibate for the nonce, purely for meditative, emotional growth reasons of personal chosing, not in any way taking a no-sex or anti-sex position…
I’ll go into details later, suffice it to say there is something shamanic about this combination…
I’ve been playing with this TAF for the past 5 or 6 weeks and noticed somewhat different qualities. First, I mainly wore it around other musicians during rehearsals or during personal practice. I seem to need a pretty high dose to notice anything at all, at least 6 sprays. Unlike other products I have worn, it appears to have little or no effect on those around me, defeating the main reason to wear it.
As a well trained artist, it is my job to be all about detail. I have a nearly unshakable concentration in the practice room and on stage. And I can usually turn on the focus like a lightswitch in nearly any emotional state. Nevertheless, each time I wore TAF I struggled with focus and concentration. Like most products, I assume I’d get used to it and build a tolerance but TAF is definitely something to avoid for creative pursuits or anything requiring concentration.
As a well trained housewife, it’s my job to be all about detail, too.
TAF,
is a pan-focuser.
And what I mean by pan-focus, is that it brings to your attention EVERYTHING in your periphery. It’s like an ancient hunting pheromone, that heightens your awareness of your surroundings and the miniscule sounds 20 feet to your left, or the slight rustling of tree leaves 40 feet above you, etc etc.
In creative contexts, I like to be focused on one or two things. However, TAF is a focuser of a gadzillion things. It might have been jamming you somewhat - bringing to light tons more noise to your usual creative signal.
When I’m cleaning or something to that extent, when I want to focus on ONE thing, I can’t do it with TAF. I’ll start to clear the floor, then notice a single piece of trash. I’ll take that to the trash can, then notice an out of place sock. I’ll take that to the hamper and decide I need to wash clothes. I’ll get my laundry gear ready and see the color red, which reminds me that I have something in my red mail inbox that needs to be sent in. AND SO ON!
I can use TAF to brighten up mixes, brighten up perception, but in megadoses alone, I’m far too pan-aware to get anything done quickly.
P79 is good for drive, motivation, and singular focus. Mixes great, too!
You and I are the same when it comes to TAF miss Jasmin. Most people say TAF helps you maintain focus…I completely lose focus while on TAF because I become hyper-aware of everything around me. I suspected that TAF would help me stay focused while I study, but it hasn’t been the case at all. Quite the opposite actually. It makes everything a distraction, as I’m less able to tune things around me out. It does make everything I do focus on seem more nuanced, however…as in I’ll look at things from a different angle. Very interesting pheromone, but at night it makes me highly contemplative and I can’t sleep. I should use it more often to build more tolerance, but after one sleepless night, I tend not to touch the stuff for a while.
Well, now we know what to not use TAF for! The question is, what is it good for? Hmm, it might prove useful at musical and athletic competitions: zap a bunch on your competiors and proceed to kick their sorry arses. Of course you’ll wanta stay clear of the fumes…
Might also be useful if you are patroling a road in an unfriendly part of Iraq when you need to be aware of everything around you. I already have P79 (although I have not played with it at all) and have just ordered TAF. It will be interesting to compare the two - or after doing that try to combine the two and see what happens.
It sounds like TAF produces obsessive-compulsive behavior according the various posts in this thread. It sounds good for multi-tasking, although I could be completely wrong about that.
it’s really quite different from a tilt towards ocd behaviour. more to do with opening up perceptual filters. worth rereading some of the older threads on taf should you be curious.
for diy exploration of this mone, try wearing a decent dose (25-50mcg. don’t bother with 5s and 10s initially) whilst going for a walk around your neighbourhood. pay attention to what new things you notice about the sights, the smells, the sounds. then go listen to some music of reasonable complexity - see if there is any difference in how you perceive layers and patterns…
What kind of work do you do? That way I could gauge whether TAF would be appropriate. It really is appropro in some contexts, and can be used in the right environments. Especially with the right mix.
was working in restaurants till recently. going back to school now.
i doubt TAF would be good for studying? p79 seems alot more useful, tho i remember somebody mentioned something about its enhancing properties if used in a negative environment or mood. will probably need to ‘steer’ it with lots of instant shine just to be on the safe side.
Jasmin (15 March 2007):
“…TAA/Shine - Increases expressiveness. I spray it on guitar players and listen to god come out of their fingers. The kind of look in awe at themselves at how effortless the whole process is…”
Tacitus (12 February 2007):
“…then back to… P83, IN moderation, “buried deep in the mix”… can put a focused, attentive, totally in the moment quality… so it might be great for performers too, say if you wanted a band to practice hard and get their gig super tight you might balance P83 for precision and Estratetraenol for groove…”
toilofday (12 February 2007):
Thanks for the info tacitus. Do you feel that p83 has a creative side to it as I have noticed. Your comment on using it for a band practice seems perfect for this one. (Heavy rock/metal)
1 week of p83 - #15 by MarkL
MarkL (11 March 2007):
"2.5 mu P83 I applied to chin and inhaled during the spray. Just one spray over a mostly depleted base of A314 mutant and Instant Shine.
After about ten minutes, I started making the small muscular adjustments that remind me of trying to clear my sinuses and nasal passages when taking off in an airplane.
Except I was flexing and extending my temporoparietal muscles, the auriculares .. and some of the jaw and throat muscles as well: clearing my ears.
The next few hours riding around the city on buses and trains I was attuned to the sounds around me. Perhaps it was a shift in attention, or perhaps a real ratchet in auditory capacity – I was able to get a sense of the tone of people around me who were conversing, even when they spoke at a murmur (or I felt I did!) I seemed to have an empathetic understanding of their … “vocal intent”, if that makes any sense.
I repeated the P83 application about 8 hours later – one spray – and felt comfortable in my local bar sitting back and listening to the buzz around me. I felt I got some of the nuances of the music (videos) playing in the bar – more than I would ordinarily have picked up on – and could suss out the quality of laughter of various people there. I was able to rapidly shift my attention to tune into a short utterance from across the room, then jump back to two or three other conversations.
While I could hear words if I wanted to, I wasn’t eavesdropping – I ignored the words, for the most part, and tried to just listen to tone and rhythm.
I wondered if I’d shift into non-semantic audition (when listening to a quality of a person’s voice and you shift into a mode where although you hear the words, you only hear the words as if they were nonsense sounds; you can pick a word and repeat it until it begins to lose it’s meaning-carrying value, until it’s just a sound).
I didn’t, but I’ll make a conscious intention to go there if I can when I try P83 next.
In summary: high auditory alertness, flexibility, and perhaps even enhanced sensitivity, preceded by face and throat “gestures” or “exercises” related to “opening ears”…
PS: I had P83 / 2.5 mcg in a to-go with no additional scent. I get a hint of a rotting/aging meat aroma from P83, but I stop sensing it after a minute."
Thanks Mr. Visionary for the extensive tips. Actually I’ve been playing with Shine in various dosages for the last 6 or 7 weeks. As self-medication I haven’t noticed much in terms of altered mood or creative states, so the effects at subtle at best. I suspect this is because I’m extremely efficient at putting myself in “the zone” and a little “push” makes little difference. Focusing and turning on the creative juices is pretty much like a light switch for me. However, a healthy helping of Shine seems to intensify the perceptions of those listening to me (in a small room or studio of course), building an aura (sorry that’s the best word I can think of) around me while playing.
My primary reason for using pheromones is to effect change in those around me. I’m glad I’ve developed considerable tolerance and/or insensitivity to the ones I use daily. However, TAF did seem to distract my focus a bit.
Yea not probs Mr./Professor Gegogi. I sometimes just make these posts to put all the information together in one place for future use and not really just because I feel that the person needs help in that area.
Below is some more of my research on P83’s ‘creative performance-enhancing effects’…
SwingerMD (5 September 2006):
"Second day on using p83 here. The feeling that I get from this one and the vibe that I get from other people can be summed up by part of the lyrics from a song:
What you want.
Baby I got.
What you need.
Do you know I got it?
A’ll I’m askin’
Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit).
Yesturday, I wore about 60 mcg along with four drops of Pheros at a dance. Same thing today as I was running around doing errands. On Suday, I had a very long conversation with the ballroom cook on new laptop computers. She wanted my expert opinion on what new computers to get. Nothing noticable from any of the follows that I danced with yesturday, but I got approached by a few aspiring photographers (I’m a well known photographer on the swing dance scene.), wanting to know my opinion on equipment, techniques, etc . . . .
As for today, I went into the Bose store to ask for replacement ear pads for my Triports. The service rep began by telling me how I can go to the website to order new earpads. After telling me this he said, “You know, on second thought . . . it’s my last day here . . . we normally don’t do this, but I’ll just get you some new ones.”
Outside the mall I ran into a couple of swing dance follows that I knew and a local jazz saxaphonist (playing on the sidewalk). Within a few min, I found myself dancing with one of them amids the Labor Day traffic on the sidewalk. I was even asked if I teach dancing lessons (I don’t.). All in all, a very unusal day. I’ll try this out on my co-workers tomorrow.
-SwingerMD"
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Carrie (18 November 2006):
"We were out dancing last night and I wore 50 mcg of P83 with Serge Lutens Fleurs d’Oranger; no other -pheromones. On the way there, W (my husband) was annoyed with the other drivers on the freeway and his own aggressive driving style (his usual M.O.) really bugged me - I felt more bothered by it than usual. I felt fairly unconnected with the crowd, observing them coolly and critically. They were mostly white folks in their 20s and weren’t feeling the band (10-piece soul/funk/R&B) the way we were so the giant dance floor was all ours until about 11 when it filled up (I suppose a lot of them won’t dance until their blood alcohol level reaches a certain point!)
The highlight of the evening came later on and can’t be attributed entirely to -pheromones of course, but they may have played some role, who knows? I really adore this band and was thrilled when late in the evening the leader (K) approached us and offered W a job in a new band he’s forming. We’ve talked to him once before so he knew W is getting out of his current band and looking for a new one. K talked about this new smaller group having a different focus, being all about “the beauty” and “leaving a lot of space” - he was speaking W’s language. They love the same material and K knows a lot of the guys W has played with before, but I think it’s kind of unusual to get offered this kind of gig without ever hearing W play a note!"
Carrie (19 November 2006):
"…I do believe W was acted on by the P83. He is very permeable to environmental influence, sensitive and psychic, and he responds quite a bit to my vibe, whether it’s pheromonally amped or not. I think that he does have a naturally aggressive personality but it’s been damped down by circumstances and typically has only come out under pressure. For example, he was bullied as a kid, but morphed into a monster on the football field - all that adolescent rage found the perfect outlet!
On P83 testing night, he behaved dominantly and aggressively (not usual for him, except behind the wheel). His dancing was bold and sensual, which set him apart. The confidence he displayed garnered him more attention and respect than he gets when he’s his usual Minnesota-nice self. He seemed to get into a zone similar to where he goes when he’s onstage performing … on second thought, maybe he was auditioning for K!
P83 feels none-like to me; at least it makes me/us more dominant, edgy, impatient, uninhibited. I didn’t feel sexually aroused by wearing it alone (though I have before when wearing it with cops). W didn’t seem to be aroused by it either, though his morning-after erection was even more impressive than usual - no time to play, unfortunately!"
