My Ultimate Business MIX - Help Appreciated !

[idle]

Hi there all.

I am starting this topic here. Lets hope some outher advanced users read it and help out.

So i made 2 variation of the mix.
I think varian A is the most potent one.

This MIX is intendet to go with A314 !
2-3 Drops of A314 + My Mix.

Enough talking here is the mix itself

Leave you comment and sugestions pls.

[idle]

woow ? no feedback or coments at all?

No suggestion to remove or add a component?

[jamesbonded]

@idle

woow ? no feedback or coments at all?

No suggestion to remove or add a component?

wish i can feedback but i am not advanced enough

[bubblebob]

Hmm, I really can’t comment so much on it either. Just wanted to say that I’m not sure if EST will work at these rather low amounts. I don’t have any experience with it but from Taters posts I have the impression EST works best in amounts that go beyond 100 mcg. But really not sure about that…

[denec]

sorry idle, wish i had more feedback myself, i have not tested out enough of those advance ones except for meo-est and Tac. I think Tac is definitely great for any environment and cannot go wrong with it. I do not go out without it now including A314

I always use TAC 20 mcg for daily use

[bubblebob]

I know I’m a lazy guy because I don’t use the search function, but could you describe in a short sentence what TAC does?

Strange enough I’m more confused about all the T* stuff than the Putatives…

[mockingbird]

@idle

woow ? no feedback or coments at all?

No suggestion to remove or add a component?

What does it do? Emphasis and amplify A314?

I dont have half of the ingredient : -AndrostAnone, Tac, meo-est, est and p79, so really dont know how this works

[zeph]

lol yeah, I don’t have 1/2 the ingredients in your mix. It sounds like a cross between SteveO’s mix and a respect mix.

And where do you get AndrostAnone? And what does it do? Androtics has AndrostEnone but doesn’t have AndrostAnone in the store. Is it a special product or something?

[idle]

Finally SOME questions and discussion here

@bubblebob

Hmm, I really can’t comment so much on it either. Just wanted to say that I’m not sure if EST will work at these rather low amounts. I don’t have any experience with it but from Taters posts I have the impression EST works best in amounts that go beyond 100 mcg. But really not sure about that…

Yes… EST appears to work on female when at 100 mcgs and more.
But i am looking to affect males more. And a mcg like 10-20 are doing
the job.
All my partners are males.
BUT this mix will be easily changed for females if EST is replaced with
Androstadienone

Remember this is not a seduction/attraction mix.

Its intended to be a Business Type. A314 + this one

@bubblebob

I know I’m a lazy guy because I don’t use the search function, but could you describe in a short sentence what TAC does?

I use TAC @ 50mcg for my daily application with A314. It is a social
pheromone. I am suspecting it as one of the A314 pheromones.
I will post more as soon as i can on my TAC observation.

@zeph

lol yeah, I don’t have 1/2 the ingredients in your mix. It sounds like a cross between SteveO’s mix and a respect mix.
And where do you get AndrostAnone? And what does it do? Androtics has AndrostEnone but doesn’t have AndrostAnone in the store. Is it a special product or something?

I got it from a chemistry kit. Some time ago. (i am not sure of its purity
and quality)
Its is supposed to be same as -none but without the dark side effect.
It can be overdosed @ 30mcgs( thats where i od’ed ) but i was wearing
allot off none from my previous application.
I found it useful with the combination of NONE. It make me feel and
look more influential to males / and attractive to females.

I thing its one of the putatives here.
mockingbird suggested that this might be p75 or p76

@mockingbird

There is a possibility that androstAnone can be p75 or p76, since michael describe them as “dark pheromone” and suggest to stay low on the dosage.

[MadisonTate]

Idle, Tater has never tried androstanone and isnt a fan of P74. He also avoids MEO-EST for regular use in a mix because of the memory erase effect.

I think youre off in the right direction, though I would still bump the EST, TAA and beta-androstenol, compensating for it with additional androstenone. Theres something else Id like to tell you about your mix, but Im sworn to secrecy.

[idle]

@MadisonTate

Idle, Tater has never tried androstanone and isnt a fan of P74. He also avoids MEO-EST for regular use in a mix because of the memory erase effect.

I think youre off in the right direction, though I would still bump the EST, TAA and beta-androstenol, compensating for it with additional androstenone. Theres something else Id like to tell you about your mix, but Im sworn to secrecy.

Thanx Tate. I will remake my mix with your recommendations.
I will try to gather more info too because i am almost out of some of the molecules.
And about that so secretly “something else”.. i can wait
when you fell like it.. you know how to PM me

[blooeyz]

Idle, I’m always intrigued by your mixes. They are so complex. I’m looking for a great mix for business beyond the normal products I use. I just tweak quantity and application sites.
When you tried these mixes, what were the reactions like and how ere they different than the norm?

[idle]

@blooeyz

Idle, I’m always intrigued by your mixes. They are so complex. I’m looking for a great mix for business beyond the normal products I use. I just tweak quantity and application sites.
When you tried these mixes, what were the reactions like and how ere they different than the norm?

With its current variation when i sit down and talk about business the person is looking straight in my eyes and agrees to almost everything i say.
This is with 5 sprays of the B variant and 5 drops A314.
The problem is i am doing my mix with e syringe and a needle(i am not
injecting them to my self ) and i dont think its precises enough to meet the exact numbers i wrote.
But are 80% to it
i have access to a lab but i haven’t used it for now.
I need to restock all the pheros and then do some serious mixing.
Thats why i am trying to improve it first.

So I am looking for the mix that will my daily wear with a314

And thanx to all the Instant Line i will be able to push the mix in
another direction

[mark-in-dallas]

Predtty solid looking mix, and about all I can think of is to MAYBE add a bit of TAF, which might work well with the EST, P74 and TAC. I also might look to bump the AndrostAnone a bit too. Although that’s speculation, as I’ve not had an opportunity to try Androstenone, but would sure like to get my hands on some.

The one concern would be that the mix probably already has 4, 5 or maybe even more of the same compounds as A314, and may be getting to the point where it is duplicating much of the A314 aura, rather than enhancing it. I think I would probably cut back on the Androsterone too, as that’s already a major A314 component.

Just my thoughts and speculation though.

[idle]

@mark-in-dallas

Predtty solid looking mix, and about all I can think of is to MAYBE add a bit of TAF, which might work well with the EST, P74 and TAC. I also might look to bump the AndrostAnone a bit too. Although that’s speculation, as I’ve not had an opportunity to try Androstenone, but would sure like to get my hands on some.

The one concern would be that the mix probably already has 4, 5 or maybe even more of the same compounds as A314, and may be getting to the point where it is duplicating much of the A314 aura, rather than enhancing it. I think I would probably cut back on the Androsterone too, as that’s already a major A314 component.
Just my thoughts and speculation though.

Thanks Mark.. this is the feedback i needed.
First about the TAF. What does it do for you?
All i can get is scattering my thoughts randomly and makes me think
for several things at the same time…
With a cup of strong coffee this could be one hell of ride
I have tried from 15 to 100 mcg with the same result.
I am unable to catch what it does to the others.. maybe tonight i will
try with 100+ mcg just to see can i overdose it

AndrosteRONE i think its ok because even with A314 i like to wear 3-4 sprays of Instant Gentlemen (which is 90% -RONE)

So with my mix i will be keeping this RONE dose as i like it + some other pheros to boost it up.

I think i need to get the TAA and P74 a little higher to lighten up the effect.
So i can wear this daily.

[mark-in-dallas]

No problem Idle. There are reports that TAF creates focus, although I haven’t really found it to do so for me either. My take on it is that it gives me drive and ambition to get things done, anything done, more so than the focus to actually do so.

I have only worn it solo a couple of times and I’ve worn up to 45 mcg’s, and I have not had a chance to see how it impacts others as a standalone phero either. But either way, drive or focus, I think it could be a good addition to a business mix.

As for the additional TAA and P74, might I suggest mixing them in a seperate bottle, which can be added as desired. So you have your ultimate business combo for important business meetings and environments, but can lighten it up with a couple of sprays from the second bottle.

[renny]

@idle

I got it from a chemistry kit. Some time ago. (i am not sure of its purity
and quality)
Its is supposed to be same as -none but without the dark side effect.
It can be overdosed @ 30mcgs( thats where i od’ed ) but i was wearing
allot off none from my previous application.
I found it useful with the combination of NONE. It make me feel and
look more influential to males / and attractive to females.

I thing its one of the putatives here.
mockingbird suggested that this might be p75 or p76

Idle, could you tell us something about your OD experience with AndrostAnone. I’m planning on getting some of the less reported putatives like P75, P76 ect and testing them. What should I be on the look out for when it comes to OD with androstAnone. Is it more ghosting or agression?

[Bella]

Hey Idle! I’d like to throw in my nickle! Veeery interesting your mixes.

There are a few of us , like you, who wear these “symphonic” mixes. Of course I first learned how each pheromone worked, or didn’t work, alone. Then with constant tweaking and experimentation I learned to work quite a few of them together.

@mark-in-dallas

Predtty solid looking mix, and about all I can think of is to MAYBE add a bit of TAF

@idle

Thanks Mark.. this is the feedback i needed.
First about the TAF. What does it do for you?
All i can get is scattering my thoughts randomly and makes me think
for several things at the same time…
With a cup of strong coffee this could be one hell of ride
I have tried from 15 to 100 mcg with the same result.
***I am unable to catch what it does to the others.. maybe tonight i will ******try with 100+ mcg just to see can i overdose it ***

100+mcg TAF? Oh, mommy! LOL… no wonder you’re on a helluva ride… WHOA DOGGIES!

@mark-in-dallas

No problem Idle. There are reports that TAF creates focus, although I haven’t really found it to do so for me either. My take on it is that it gives me drive and ambition to get things done, anything done, more so than the focus to actually do so. I have only worn it solo a couple of times and I’ve worn up to 45 mcg’s, and I have not had a chance to see how it impacts others as a standalone phero either. But either way, drive or focus, I think it could be a good addition to a business mix.

The focus thing? Na uh… I also had similar reactions with TAF at high doses… never happens for me… especially alone… it’s “Instant ADD”… very annoying. Didn’t think I was going to use it much as it certainly didn’t give me any of the reported focus. Then I tried it at a lower dose in a different application and it worked very well.

It’s not at all, from the way others described it, the kinda focus I was expecting. Interestingly it does possess a different kind of focus… hard to explain. In low doses it *can *be controlled… though you still may have to work at it. To quote MHarris on TAF, “it makes a difference HOW you pay attention”.

I’d go with a low dose of P79 here for drive… I get that part out of it… it can be very pointed… be aware that it can also… as pheromones do, this one in particular, drive your mood… and, in some, provoke argumentativeness… may or may not depend on the buffers you wear with it… dunno.

@MadisonTate

I think the smell of fear (all-out terror) also includes TAF and several other pheros that may not be sold by Androtics. That defocusing and energy you get from TAF is what you feel when something is about to leap at you, but you dont know where it will come from. Your body is primed for rapid movement, your senses are exaggerated and youre focused on everything at one time. You can hear everything at once, see a speckle move in a shadow.

@MadisonTate

Similarly, when you come down from the event, you can feel very tired, as if you were tensed for a very long time.

@MadisonTate

This suggests that TAF really does have a “memory reset” to it, that shouldnt be used too often or it will burn you/the target out. This may be related to why when you get spooked, you remember all kinds of crap vividly as your mind records it, and your brain even fills in all the details for you. I saw a spot move and my brain filled in the body of the whole leopard coming at me.

So TAF should be used to make a heavy initial impression, but may make people tired around you if you wear something with it all the time. Also, the emergency response/memory effect will die down.
Why does it intensify some pheros? It doesnt. But those who are affected will have a harsh memory of everything that happened.

Now I use it frequently… but not more than every three/four days. Tired?.. Burnout?..Yes. According to an old post of Jasmin’s and also when I spoke to her when I originally ordered TAF… she told me make sure “to rest” between applications. Some of these molecules really screw with your neurotransmitters. So between what Jasmine and Tate said… I got to thinkin’… uh oh. From what I’ve read about brain function, I believe it has to do with the reticular activaton system of the brain… read this… Reticular activating system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia… explains it more clearly than I ever could… so you’re able see where I’m goin’ with this. I might be runnin’ off in the ditch here, ya’ll let me know… but I don’t think so.

These are stellar observations/descriptions of TAF… as seen from the infamous Tater’s perspective. He’s right… everytime you turn around it’s something. And, yes the response it provokes is connected to memory. It has a lot to do with memory and how TAF works to recall feelings evoked by memory. The “all-out terror” reaction he refers to is what happens when the brain can’t process high/mega doses of TAF. The response/memory die down? Yes… it’s happened to me since I’ve been testing for so long. However it doesn’t evoke that in people who aren’t exposed to it regulaly… not from my experience. What Tate, also, says about TAF intensifying some pheromones… I think… not sure here… it may work the other way around. What he says about “initial impression”… and that goes along with the whole congruence thing… is THE key element in/of pheromone use… KEY! Our Tate is brilliant.

In my experience the finer properties of TAF only become evident in application with other well known molecules… and that’s how I use it. It occurred to me one day while wearing MX135… better known as the “Kitchen Sink Mix” or “Super Star Mix”. It contains a plethora of pheromones. While wearing it, after about 30min or so, the TAF in the mix popped to the surface! Certainly opened my eyes as how to apply even more of these molecules… especially the putatives. As long as I’m on it… from my testing… the putatives take a longer time to kick in then a lot of other pheromones… save the oil based ones.

So this is how I would add TAF to your mix… don’t bump it up… knock it down… I’d say use 'bout 10-15/mcg to start… then see how/if it works for ya… then add more if needed. Like I said… it works best for me added to molecules I already know well.

And one other thing most people seem to keep missing about TAF is the tactile element. And yes, it’s quite auditory… hightens sense of taste and smell, as well, and makes you hyper-aware in general… and it suspends time.

I have another suggestion for you, Idle, on how to apply TAF… next time you 'n Mrs Idle do the..ahem… Electric Slide?.. add the 10-15mcg TAF to da mix… straight to your neck/chest… I think you’ll like it.

Sorry sooooo long winded… this f’in’ thing grew as my mind raced… lol… and that may be way TMI and not the info/response you’re looking for… anyways… take it for what it’s worth.

Bella

[tmoz]

As MadisonTate already stated, MEO-EST shouldn’t be a regular, but neither should TAF. There’s no clear-cut evidence that suggests TAF heightens focus or senses, for all anyone knows there’s an equal probability that it levels off other subconcious neurological sensations instead. Which seems more likely if people already have experienced ‘burnouts’ and such.

Contrary to popular belief (or maybe not?), I’d like to believe p79 isn’t too far off from MEO-EST. They both have some sort of amplifier quality about them, but again I personally would still take my chances with a slightly heavier dose of p79 rather than regular doses of MEO-EST.

[idle]

@renny

Idle, could you tell us something about your OD experience with AndrostAnone. I’m planning on getting some of the less reported putatives like P75, P76 ect and testing them. What should I be on the look out for when it comes to OD with androstAnone. Is it more ghosting or agression?

I have spilled by accident some of it while tring to mix it in a To Go.
So i really cant say how much i was whearing.. but it was around(30-50mcg)
1/4 of the to go bottle. (the to go had ~300mcg AndrostAnone in it)

Now i am not sure of the quality and puryty of this pheromone becouse i got it from another place .. and i am not ordering more from there.
I will stay with androtics molecules only.

So i know it was too much and i allready was whearing 10mcg of -NONE
so i decided to add 6 drops of TAA oil + 4 Drops A314 and 4 Instant Openes
to lighten up the effect.
Well i didnt get any negative results. It was like i was just invisable at the bar. I asked my self.. am i dead or something?
People i know from the outher end of the bar ware saying “cheers” to me but they didnt came close at all. That night i was allone without the wife and i couldn ask anyone what is the matter?
The barthenders (3 females) ware acting strange. More like scared from me.

I remember the time when i got this from a314(in the beggining i used 6-7 drops) and it was the same thing.

So with the anone i got the same ghost effect. But i think its more they ware scared of something. I didnt noticed any agresion. Thats why i think my mix should have AndrostAnone but in small dosage to boost the respect in the outhers. i think it makes you look more tought.. but without the aggresion the normal -none makes at higher dosage.

@Bella
Thank you for you post.

I will experiment more with TAF. i got more then 2250mcg of it