Need advice for TAF, BNOL, and P83, High concentrations

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MHarris was kind enough to answer some questions a bit back and, after some discussion, it was decided that the next pheromones I should play with are TAF, Bnol, and P83.

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TAF: 100 mcg/spray
Bnol: 50 mcg/spray
P83: 12.5 mcg/ spray

I have some particular uses in mind for these mones. However, I would like to know a few things

A. What can I expect when using these mones? Especially considering the TAF and BNOL are so darn concentrated?

B. What are you experiences with these mones, in any concentration? Plusses, Minuses, etc., etc.

C. Knowing that I like to do “Pack Experiments” in which myself and several others use pheromones to impact crowds in public settings, is there anything you can think of that I should know?

Thanks for any and all advice!

Jas, you rule. Period. The people that answer the phone at Androtics, simply amazing. Helpful and courteous. MHarris? Well, lol. I can’t wait to report these results. Thanks Team Androtics, and Pherotalk users community, you rule.

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I use high dose p83 100 mcg tried up to 200mcg 50-100mcg seems the effective dose range 50 is better than the 100 imo but 100mcg gets some interesting results.I didn’t get a lot out of p83 at the lower dose range.Why 100 mcg taf? tafs pretty strong if anything maybe switch the taf dose w the bnol? :slight_smile:

What do you have in mind ? That’d prolly help people re to you :slight_smile:

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Well, we do group performances that definitely have an “occult” vibe. We do experimental music, poetry, and some pretty whacked out performance pieces.

We are looking to achieve not only the “rock star” vibe but also want people to have a deep, emotional connection to us. There are four of us in the group, three males and one hot smoking female. (my wifey.)

Our aim, with our performances, is to touch the audience in a profound spiritual way, and make them feel as if they have just seen something that is unexplainable, spiritual, deep, and enlightening. We also wouldn’t mind if we attracted pretty girls. :stuck_out_tongue:

We want the use of the pheromones to be an extension of the performance, and add to the aura of mystery and power. We use some pretty ancient musical devices such as drums, bells, shakers, and a ton of other things. Think tribal. :slight_smile:

What if I used the 5,000 mcg spray?
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TAF on its own is very focusing and seems to make time pass quickly. You will find you will notice things you never have much more easily good and bad. It works very well in low doses as a companion to other mones. Makes reactions more clear and focused. Other peoples reactions to it tend to be similar. They will focus more on what ever it is they are doing and if that is watching you perform that’s a good thing. It has a memory effects as well helping retain the feeling so if they enjoy the performance they will retain that feeling more. The flip side of that is if they dont they will retain that.

100 mcg is a lot though. I never use more the 25 mcg myself or I get adverse effects. My glands swell up but its probably just a allergic reaction for me and not something others have experienced. It has more of a biological effect then other mones which Jas pointed out to me. 25 to 50 mcg is ideal though for most people. 100mcg I would never suggest to someone.

P83 you will love. It helps people get past inhibitions. They move more fluidly and more expressively. Its seductive in many ways and will go nicely with your plans for them. I am not sure if your audience sort of participate in the performance or not. I have been to many spiritual “performances” or ceremonies and the performers tend to interact. P83 will be a great choice.

This is the one you should have got in a higher dose. I use 50 mcg myself most the time.

Bnol for connection and comfort is great. This will serve you well for your goals. It is pretty basic pheromone and 50 mcg is a good dose. I use about 25 mcg myself but that’s all I need.

Just keep in mind that mones only diffuse about 10 feet from you. I am assuming your outside during this so it will be even less. Using a higher dose will not make it diffuse better or last longer, its just more so hopefully they will be able to interact with you at some point.

Tisha

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WOW, that is a lot of TAF, I usually wear about 10mcg of it.

It’s good to see you posting again Tisha :slight_smile:

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TY wildflower, I have been around :wink: I have been busy with the hubbies new business though and trying to figure out google adwords. Geez what a nightmare adwords is on a local level. I am much better at mass marketing LOL

Tisha

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Thanks for the suggestions!

The performances are usually done inside at a cafe setting, usually “in the round” so the audience is pretty up close and personal.

I am probably going to pick up some supplies and thin out the TAF a bit, but I am really interested in the modality that higher concentrations seem to create. As artists, my wife and I are interested in seeing what this particular mone can do to the creative muse. I will probably thin it out to be around 33 mcg per spray, but the artistic applications of the higher concentration hold great interest for me. I’ll be picking up some cobalt bottles in the next couple of days, probably along with something else new to try. :smiley:

Tisha, thanks for letting me know about its biological effects. I will most certainly proceed with caution… Can’t wait to explore it, however, and post the results. I guess I am an extreme kind of guy. :smiley:

The Bnol sounds wonderfully up my alley, along with the P83. The p83 I chose somewhat as an afterthought, and if it works well I will probably pick up more the next time I make a purchase.

Thanks for the advice! Can’t wait to blow my system with the TAF and see how it all falls out, will make sure to report!

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I recently ordered some similar items…

I got TAF @ 10mcgs to try it out. I think if you try TAF diluted (with cologne or an alcohol) in a TOGO you will be able to make some incredible things happen.
I also ordered IH. Beta-Androstenol has the fantastic property of making wonderful deep conversations happen, and believe me metaphysical topics and the occult will feel right at home here. I went to an after party at a loft this weekend, and sprayed some IH beforehand. I went up to the rooftop and the view was majestic. A large cathedral was next door, and overtop of the roof near the spire, a swollen moon shined down from a night sky.

I mentioned a few key points about vinyl records, and soon we were having a deep metaphysical discussion… about the universe, reality as a frequency, god as a dj, the primal nature of circles and the relation of the vesica pisces to the first form of cellular sexual reproduction. The last one was my revelation. :slight_smile:

P83 has had incredible effects, and I keep a TOGO with me every time I go out. Mixed with IO it has a wonderful ability to keep things lively, sexy and interactive. I can just imagine it’s power with spaceland. And soon I will test that too.

Enjoy your new goodies~

Evolve

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Taf i’ve been using about 5-10 mcg more seems too much and very draining though my experiences with it are fairly new it seems to define itself and its effects fairly easily 15mcg brought out more of my creative driveI wanted to draw and paint that day more than normal.

P83 around 100mcg is VERY disinhibitory beyond that it seems like my brain says hok enough and ignores it same reaction from others so i cap my applications at 100 50 is my sweet spot though.

:slight_smile:

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Well P83 works for me at 18-25 mcg and I think it’s just overall great for lower inhibitions and adding to other pheromones.

I just placed an order for 100mcg of B-nol. I hear it puts you in a whole new state of being at high doses. Works just fine at 25-50 mcg tho. If you wanna get the feeling of being close that is.

Never tried TAF, but I’ve heard that at high concentrations it can be dangerous…Steve had a little incident with it that u could probably find by searching.

I can only tell you that B-nol will probably be the only mone that will give you effects past the 50 mcg mark. The others will probably just cause you to OD, but then again I’ve never used P83 over 25 mcg. Mainly because the one I have currently is 2.5 mcg and requires a lot of sprays, which equals practically killing people with my potency x.x

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Your performances are intriguing Sigil.tech!!! I wish I could witness them :slight_smile:

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Hehehe… Thanks! I actually did a performance piece tonight… More black magic at the coffee shop. Too tired to relay that actual experience tonight, will do so tomorrow.

I am interested in the TAF at such high levels for the self effects. I understand that they can impact memory, and that’s what I am after.

There is a specific occult technique of using a “Sigil” or a symbol of one’s desire during a meditative process that leads to gnosis, with the point being to impress this symbol on your psychology so that the symbol manifest readily in your subconscious. The symbol is associated with a goal, or a desire, that you wish to achieve and make manifest in the real world.

I am hoping to combine TAF with my Sigil meditation procedure to achieve some good results. The high dosage is appealing to me, although I will probably thin it out a bit for regular, everyday use.

So, TAF is supposed to be dangerous at such high concentrations? What exactly does it DO at such high levels?

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Interesting idea with the sigil. I’m very intrigued.

There was just one incident where steve used a lot and said he could practically see the atoms of things and then he got so sick he had to cancel the date he was on and go home to lie down.

It’s like they say with anything you use. Use caution. Most of these, if used at high doses, can cause OD which usually results in your emotions going out of whack leading to crying. Or it could lead to you becoming emotionless.
These are all temporary things and won’t have any long term effects, or so I’m told, because the neurotransmitters rejuvenate themselves.

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Cool. I didn’t do the sigil ritual last night. I figure if I am gonna do this I will make it count and do it right. It might’ve had something to do with all the Bnol I sprayed yesterday and last night, hehehe..

Sigils are serious business. They really have a way of impacting your psychology. No different than the Nike swoosh or the big golden arches of Mickey D’s are meant to impact your psychology for a specific purpose, except in this case, you get to control how your own mind is bent.

You bend your own mind to your own WILL. Neat. Maybe I will document the procedure.

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I wouldn’t have thought to use TAF for anything like meditation (I’m not sure what your special technique is though) as it will sharpen your senses but not in a centering way. TAF sharpens your focus on, and amplifies your senses on details which is great when you need to focus say for work, or need to really concentrate on something that requires you to really use your brain. Those aren’t qualities that I personally associate with meditation. I always thought meditation was more about relaxing the mind, trying to centre yourself and almost letting your mind go blank… TAF will do the opposite, it’ll force you to notice all the fine detail. If I personally wanted a phero for meditation I’d go for something like TAC which many members describe as centering and relaxing. I also get physical relaxation, not only mental, with it…I use it quite a lot before going to bed.

With the TAF as well you need to be careful with the dose. Most members use less than 25mcg, many have their sweet spots around 10-15mcg. TAF isn’t only potent even at low concentrations, it’s also one of the phero’s that will LAST in terms of effect. It’s not something you use a few spritzes of late in the afternoon or in the evening…you’ll get no sleep if you do. If you do a search about TAF and the side effects of various doses you’ll soon see what members have reported when trying higher doses…it’s not pleasant! Anxiety, rapid heart rate, feeling jittery like you had a gallon of expresso, amplification of noices, smells and lights to the point where it’s quite disturbing. I should probably also tell you that if you come across my own, or Diane’s reports on TAF, please IGNORE the doses we use as we both have ADHD so our brains function differently to yours…we can tolerate much higher levels of stimulants like TAF. Having said that though…I’ve never tried a dose higher than 80mcg because doses over 60mcg make ME with my brain uncomfortable…

One last note… TAF, especially in high doses will burn off your neurotransmitters, in particular your catecholamines like there’s no tomorrow as it does stimulate your brain. If you try high doses, or if you use TAF continuously you’ll probably experience a bit of a crash similar to what you’d experience with a period of excessive coffee use (or other stimulants if you use those)…fatigue, headaches & feeling generally pooped basically. You can prevent this and remedy it by making sure you have a good fluid intake, eat a healthy diet and add on extra Vit B’s (don’t forget the Vit C to aid uptake of the B’s)

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I’ve used P83 as high as 300mcg on myself.. No self effects..

And I’ve gone out wearing 100mcg-150 along with TAA and P86 at similar doses No negatives but I would say p83 probably is not effective that high… And it was a perfect scenario to test the so called ‘lower inhibitions’.

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Xiphoid, thanks for such an in depth reply! And now that I understand TAF better, thanks to you, I am more convinced than ever that it will work for this particular technique.

The goal of this exercise is to excite the mind and fill up the senses with as many details during the ritual as possible. The meditation is the initial phase, and it isn’t so much about letting the mind go blank. The purpose of this kind of meditation is to simply switch of filters.

What I aim to do is to use the focus to burn a symbol on to my psyche. Using a hooded cloak, I will attempt to block out all visual stimulus in my periphery , and instead place a symbol in my field of view that represents a particular desire that I have, which is constructed using a simple technique.

The point of this meditation is extreme focus. I want to flood my psychology with nothing but the symbol, to admire the curve and the line of the symbol. I will blot out as much other stimulus as possible by filling up my workspace with the thick smoke of incense. All lights will be out, save a small candle that will provide flickering light over the symbol. The hood isn’t to be cool or to make me all goth, the idea is to use it so that the only thing in my field of vision is the symbol.

Also, prior to the ritual, I will construct something called a spinning mantra, which is a few lines of, essentially nonsense words (I use Latin) that represents my goal or desire. I will put on some soft music, probably a drum beat.

I will then crouch over my symbol, with the lights turned low, and the symbol is to be barely visible in the candlelight, and the only thing in my field of vision. The symbol is mounted on a small “lazy susan,” which can be spun.

Then, using my mantra, I will spin the symbol and repeat my mantra, over and over, attempting to exhaust myself until I am a slobbering idiot, relying on, at the end of the ritual, muscle memory to keep my hoarse voice croaking the mantra, moving my body rhythmically, inhaling the thick smoke of the incense, and staring at the symbol. Intense focus on the task at hand. Cool.

The idea of extreme focus is incredibly appealing for this type of ritual. The idea is to impress the metaphysical meaning of the symbol onto my mind, in an attempt to obliterate all other thought. the ritual, as I have performed before, requires an aggressive, intent focus on the task. It is not exactly your typical “meditation.”

I’m a little ADHD myself, so…

Anyway, I am willing to experiment and fail for the sake of science. Hehe… I should probably write down my procedure when I do it. We shall see…

I am open to any suggestions for the ritual, and warnings are especially appreciated… This makes me think that perhaps I should do this ritual in the morning…

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I had a feeling it wasn’t “plain old meditation” since you said it was your own technique :wink: but then, I wouldn never have guessed that increased focus & attention to detail would be part of any kind of meditation technique

I’m not sure how your mind normally responds to the technique, without phero’s, but my initial thoughts on what you describe makes me think you might find that it’s a bit difficult to only kick the internal focus up a notch with TAF…TAF usually also gives the focus on external sensory stimuli a real boost. I’m thinking that if you do find that happens, you could try either doing the ritual/meditation in a dark & quiet room to reduce external sensory stimuli, OR you might try adding TAC to the mix. Since TAC gives a very centering feeling it might help you focus the TAF effects on the internal more than the external if that makes sense? Obviously I’m only hypothesising here as I don’t meditate myself and I’ve never tried to do what you are attempting to do, but if I go by the effects of using TAF and TAC as single phero’s they might at least be another interesting combo to experiment with :slight_smile:

Is this an actual diagnosis from a qualified specialist, (Family doctors & teachers are NOT included in the definition of qualified specialist) or is it a “self diagnosis” from reading about ADHD/ADD?
IF you do have actual ADHD, then you are likely to be able to tolerate higher doses of TAF, but I would still start of with lower doses…stick to 25-50mcg, not more. With TAF and the effects you get from using it, more does NOT equal better effects. If you go past your sweet spot you loose the positive effects and gain a whole truckload of less nice ones…

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WOOHOO! Xiph, you are amazing.

Yes, its an actual diagnosis.

Also, if it increases focus on external stimulus… EXCELLENT! I am attempting to consume myself with the symbol, the smell of the incense, the sound of the drum, and the sound of my own voice echoing in the “temple.”

There is only one way to find out, and that is to experiment. My mind, I can, now, with practice over the last few years, generally compensate for the ADHD pretty well and focus on the task at hand. So, internally, it sounds as if that much well be up to me, if I understand you correctly.

But if I block out as much other stimulus as possible, save for the symbol and what I wish to impress on my own psyche, TAF may very well accomplish what I want to happen.

Either way, I might also be convincing myself that it will work simply because I have a wild hare up my butt for wanting to do this… Well, I guess I will have to happily test this and see if I am full of shit or not, hehehe…

The only thing that matters is results. To victory!

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Well spank you, spank you kind Sir :smiley:

That’s quite common with individuals who don’t have the most severe forms of ADHD (ie the majority of ADHD “sufferers”) Funnily enough, until the last 5-10 years or so scientists were divided in two camp as to whether ADHD was something children “grow out of” or not. Some scientists meant that ADHD is a childhood & teenage condition and that it doesn’t persist into adulthood, the other group maintained the position that you don’t grow out of it but that if you have ADHD you have it for life.

Now personally I’ve always been with the second camp, even before the research evidence indicated it. To me it just makes sense that given that I was born with one brain, and that it’s pretty much fully developed after a few years of life, if I was born with ADHD, the ADHD aint going anywhere!
I can however understand why the researchers that believed ADHD to be a childhood condition thought so… Most individuals with ADHD are more hyperactive during childhood and adolescence, but move more towards the inattentive end of the spectrum when reaching adulthood. Partly because it’s part of growing up, but partly also because we learn the “rules” of society in terms of what’s acceptable behaviour socially, and what isn’t…and human beings are very adaptable. Most adults can learn how to compensate for a lot if not most of their symptoms, provided they don’t have very severe ADHD, or unless they have a job that requires them to be 100% focussed. Learning to compensate makes it appear as if the individual is just like anyone else because people don’t see the effort that goes into “behaving normal”…so unless you dig deeper it can easily come across as having “grown out of” the ADHD.

Personally I have learnt how to compensate so I can function like a normal person, but I only do that on weekends & when I have time off. My job requires me to be super focussed & my brain needs to be working to its max capacity, so I do medicate. I’d never even consider for a second going into work without taking my meds… Just like a surgeon who’s just come off a long nightshift wouldn’t want to operate on you because they wouldn’t trust their brain whilst sleep deprived, I wouldn’t be comfortable without my meds. If I had been a florist I probably wouldn’t still be taking meds, but I’m not a florist…

I’m sure no matter what the result will be, you’ll be impressed by TAF. Even if it doesn’t work for this particular experiment, I’m sure you’ll be impressed by it’s effects. It’s one of the few phero’s that has rather dramatic ones :slight_smile: