Hi guys! I’m new to the forum, and I noticed on the the woman’s side that there is a big discussion on the woman products for IS/A or TAL and IS/B or TAH.
Who better to ask then men, since you guys will fall prey to these sexy pheromones.
For the unfamiliar men, Instant Sexiness A or TAL gives off a more silent killer, sexy Angelina Jolie vibe. You know, that woman you just happened to glance at but now just can’t get enough. There’s something sensual and intriguing about her but you can’t put a finger on it. And she’s well aware of how sexy she is and of an effect she has on you.
OR
Instant Sexiness B or TAH, most woman compare it to a Marilyn Monroe type. Cute, sexy, flirty, but to me Marilyn always gave off a “loved and wanted to be loved” vibe, like a kitten. I would also compare this to Britney Spears (excluding her shaved head and mental breakdown ) in her early twenties. Sweet, innocent, but suppppeerrr sexy and knows how to work the crowd.
**So fellas:
If you walked into a party and without saying a word to these “ladies” who would create a more “Deer in Headlights” for you? A or B?
How would you approach her?
After chatting, who would leave you running back and wanting more? A or B?
What woman is more compatible with you? Dominant A or Submissive B?**
i like a woman bold enough to let me know she is interested but lets me go in for the kill lol. as for the a or b i really dont know how it effects me. i know if a woman is wearing that britney spears fantasy scent it turns me on and i can smile it a mile away lol. love it. I would walk up and say your wearing that britney sprears spray arent you. And get a yes lol
That’s so funny! I swear Britney must know her perfumes! Her first one, Curious, would have guys asking if I was wearing it and that they are obsessed with that smell. I think it’s the sweet, secretly sexy feminine mix that gets them.
Mila Kunis, Brokelyn Decker, Eva Mendes Megan Fox, any girl that’s a nine it a dime, oh and indigo ugg boots, yoga pants(granted they have the figure for it) oh or sweet sneakers. Not many girls rock them.
DIHL is more a visual thing. Generally it has very little to do with pheromones or emotion at all. Its a lack of being able to process thought for a few seconds. Frankly when I see it when I am wearing mones it means one of two things to me.
Either I am wearing to much pheromones and they cant process them or visual attraction just occured.
I’d have to agree with Tisha in saying that DIHL for me has been a visual thing and not a “vibe” thing. I worked in the commercial and film business many years ago, and one of the producers girlfriends was this gorgeous German model, she was about 15+ years older than me at the time and the first time I met her I was stunned…hence the phrase 'she’s simply stunning."
I just stood there, mouth open, chin down to my knees and unable to say a word…that’s DIHL LOL.
But what am I attracted to? Innocence or vulnerability with a hint of raw sexuality lying somewhere below it all. The last 3 women I’ve seen when it comes to hindsight has had those same common characteristics. None more so than the last girl. Probably one of the classiest women I’ve ever dated. You could have thrown her into the 50’s and she would have fit in with a lot of her beliefs and morals…but damn, when she moved there was pure sex emanating from her body. Strangely enough, we happened to stop by her family’s house one day to drop off her son and her mother complained that the turtle neck sweater she was wearing was too sexy…LOL. She couldn’t understand why her mother could say that about a turtle neck sweater…I had to explain to her the effect she had. It had nothing to do with the clothing, it was the way she carried herself.
Angelina Jolie is a turn off for that very reason. She’s all sex..bold, brash, and aggressive. I don’t mind an aggressive woman in some aspects…but the simple fact is its too much masculine energy. It needs to be tempered with some feminine.
Marylin Monroe had the vulnerable sex kitten thing down, but almost in a creepy fashion. I don’t want someone I have to take care of either.
Wow thegentleman very well put. Also, I have always wondered if celebrities used pheromones to add to their allure.
Yes, I have to agree, as charming as Marilyn was, she gave a helpless vibe.
Now after reading that I definitely need some TAL because. I give too much of a Marilyn vibe. I think im very fun to be around but guys are always protective and submitting to my requests even when they are exhausted. But then again I’m young and the concept of me emitting sexual raw energy is kind of awkward, which I have to work on hehe…
I must take it that you are an alpha male by that Wild at Heart quote. I’m not sure if the “attacking a white ball on a tee” was supposed to be funny but I chuckled haha.
Couple of things… You say young. How young? What is your age? Just curious.
I think emitting raw sexual energy can be off putting and awkward at any age. Even at 45, I find in various situations I can turn it on at will, be bold, and push boundaries and flip those attraction switches like no other. And then at other times, yeah I’m a wall flower, hiding behind a wall and not owning my sexuality or masculinity. which leads to your question…
Am I an alpha male? Yes and no. There is what we call situational confidence…basically your comfort zones. In those areas, yeah, I’m alpha male all the way. In my family, I took over the alpha spot at 24 or 25 years old soon after I knocked my father out in a fist fight…he sorta abdicated the throne. I am the 2nd youngest in my family, but my entire family comes to me for advice and help…also When it came to raising my nieces, when it came to running my biz or others, when it came to running / moderating men’s groups, a poker discussion group that consisted of world wide members ranging from amateurs to professionals who have earned millions of dollars…all those areas yep. I was in charge, charismatic and had presence.
But then, you throw me into certain scenes like a night club with a group of guys, I’m cool. I"ll go out have fun and mix it up. But if I show up with a hot girl I’m not dating, but we went as friends to party it up together. If she gets a ton of attention, I’ll sort of slink back into some quiet place and I get off my game and into my head. It doesn’t matter if I’m not interested at all in the girl, its just I imagine now some kind of pressure to prove I can go out and have as much fun and not care as much she can…and I fail…LOL.
I have friends who are extremely alpha, just super confident and it can be a battle of frames. There are days I win, and others where I am like the young male who gets a nip on the neck from the older male and sent off to my corner…but then like in my current biz…
I am surrounded by successful people, extremely motivated types. People who make 6 and 7 figures a year and I have no problem going toe to toe with them in front of their people. One case in point, man who is a senior national sales director makes $1.4 mil a year. We have a weekly managers meeting and he tried to call me out in front of the whole group, I stood up and put him directly in his place and it shut him the hell up and he hasn’t pulled that shit with me since.
My direct boss, the guy who’s trained me is afraid to confront me about anything. I dont’ know why, but he’s intimidated by me and I’ve never given him cause to be so and we’re really good friends…there is nothing I’d love more than for him to be brutally honest with me..especially when I’m acting like a wuss bag and making excuses for missing goals or production numbers.
I’ve had others at the office call me an alpha male, one former marine, a real go getter the other day said I was like a Silverback gorilla LOL.
Anyway, I guess my point is, it is situational. And at times when I feel like I"m not, I"m surprised that others see me as just that…alpha. In the end, its all in our heads. We push our perceptions of ourselves onto others, and its not always the way they see us.
My goal is to just continue growing as a man, as a human and just try to be myself…and own who that is.
And yeah…the quote is funny IMO. But also very true. I was a typical “nice guy” growing up. A guy who distanced himself from that aggression at some point in his life…I was a typical boy who played all those games, who wrestled, hunted, fished etc. And then I all of a sudden saw those activities as things only “jerks” would do. I was a kind and gentle man…LOL. NO…I was just a manipulative wuss bag who didn’t get what he wanted in life because he was either afraid to ask for it, or go for it. But not anymore.
I’m 19 to be exact, going on 20 soon. So you were 25 when I was born, I know I’m a baby XD. lol. I would say sexual energy was quite confusing for me growing up. I grew when Britney Spears and all those Lolita charged stars just burst onto the scene, to which I loved!! I was well aware of my sexuality when I was younger and carried a little bit of “Lolita” charm. I could always sense the perverted older men’s desire(EW) and I’m petite so I think I’ll always carry it until I begin looking my age.
But my mother is Asian and culturally, Westerners regarding their sexuality are controlled more by their guilt. While, Asians more by their shame, and “shame to the family name”, etc. I’m well aware that I naturally emit strong pheromones similar to TAH. I know I also possess strong ones similar to TAL as well but I think me being young and having shame/embarrassment hold me back most of the time. So it gets confusing.
So it’s something that I believe I should learn to develop during my journey to become a woman.
One of my good friends who I would strongly say is an Alpha male all around was telling me about how he loves aggressive sports like football. He’s also an amazing martial arts fighter. So I found your quote funny because I feel that’s how most Alpha males are. I feel if “attacking a little white ball to the tree” was a sport my friend would beat it until the stuffing came out and the branch broke off…HAHA! But the quote also shows how simple a man really is in terms of figuring them out. Unlike cough cough females. lol
We both are attracted to one another, but I think I possess too much of a “TAH personality” that makes him not want to commit :/. He is also much older than I am.
I think perhaps its your understanding of what Alpha is that may be adding to the TAH vibe you naturally emit.
Alpha doesn’t mean aggressive physically or sexually for either gender. Alpha men can be aggressive when the situation calls for them to be so. Alpha females can be sexual when the situation calls for it but its not what makes the Alpha.
Britney Spears and those who give off that Lolita vibe are not TAL women and not Alphas. If you want to appear more mature to this man then let go of that belief quickly. I am not saying to ignore your sexuality or hide it. Own it without over flaunting it. Think more along the lines of Angelina Jolie. She is sexy and she knows it but have you really ever seen her flaunt it like Britney ? Nope she a alpha female she doesn’t have to. Britney has to flaunt it because she is unsure of herself. She is 30 something and still appears to be 12 at times. Dont go for that vibe especially if you like an older man. It comes off as needy and says good for one thing and one thing only. Sure they will look and may even tap you a time of two but thats the extent of it.
Hit youtube and start watching footage of both Britney and Angelina and you will start to understand the difference. Its in how they carry themselves and the vibe just doesnt come from pheromone signaling but from body language.
Its the triple threat. Visual, pheromonal and body language all balanced out. Thats the difference between Britney (TAH) and Angelina (TAL). Men think britney is hot and want to tap that but when they see Anglina they get that DIHL look and they not only want to tap that they want to posess and keep that. She emits strength confidence intelligence and sensuality.
Thats why all the other women in hollywood fear her so much.
WOW! What a well put together reply! Honestly a nicely wrought think piece. You got my vote for TOTW
I’d actually have to say I disagree with the whole DIHL however. It’s something that I had to really think about. I’ve met “famous” people, people with lots of money, rosk-stars, a-listers, you name it and their are many. I cannot recall one time in my life where I really had that DIHL. Sure, I’ve seen women that are stunning but its genetics and there are honestly very important factors other than looks. I mean, if a woman interests my eye I absolutely check her out but she still has to meet a standard.
With guys there has to be a visual because that’s what we guys do. When I’m out I think I’ve fallen for more women who might have eluded my first look. That’s just it though having that look, means crap to me, but having that presence now-that’s where its out! You want a mix that gets a guys attention and more importantly keeps it.
There’s a few things that come to mind right away. I’m ALWAYS going to say Ishine. It adds that sense that you have a defined sense of oneself through confidence and a certain swagger. Ishine gets its name by allowing your confidence and sense of self SHINES through to everyone allowing them and you to relax which when people relax they tend to live, love, laugh.
Depending on your personality I would also suggest either IH or IO, perhaps both. You want the mone to enhance your natural traits. They’re both communication mones; IO is the more social the person who expresses themselves. IH is the deeper connection the rapport.
Now as a shyer person would want some IO to make them seem open and willing to chat. A shy person, if used as an advantage, all ready has a mystique about them. Like they are in deep thought, inner dialogue that would confound a mere mortal . The IO is going to show that why yes you just might be solving cold fusion in deep thought, I am open and available to chatting and enjoying life. RAWR, that’s sexy and I don’t care how much someone will BS you, those types of things get our notice. Just like TG said in his post, its the ones we might not have that initial wow she is the best looking girl in the whole room thoughts, but she is sexy! You just know that underneath she is a wild-cat.
On the other hand if you’re already pink and sparkly go with the IH. It adds a deeper rapport, a special connection. It’s like wow I have known this girl all my life. She must be my soul-mate . Okay so you get the point.
Now depending on your personality again I suggest either TAH or TAL. TAH is the softer pussy-cat while TAL is the ALPHA-set of someone like Brad Pitts woman.
So add the three together IShine, either IO or IH, and either TAH or TAL. BAMN! You got your sexy beast who will turn heads and keep them turned. Have a smile and laugh often. Be happy and show the confidence in yourself.
LOL a baby… yep. The oldest woman I’ve dated in the last 5 years turned 30 after I started dating her when she was 29. The last turned 21 a few months after we hooked up. I remember one day this really cute 18 year old came onto me (I think I’m a natural erone super producer LOL) and I told her 18 was too young. She laughed and said…“Oh a couple years makes a difference?” And I said… yep. There’s a huge difference between 18 and 20, and even 20 and 21. Its like we grow in dog years through a childhood onto adolescence and young adulthood. I think back when I was 16 I knew it all…turned 18 and figured out I was an idiot at 16 and knew it all then,. Then 21 I was the man and an idiot at 18 and so on and so on. Even at 45, I think back to 40 and how little I knew then…LOL Life is really just one long community college continuing education course LOL.
I will agree with your assessment about sexuality and guilt here in the West. That is honestly what effed up my head in high school. Growing up, sounds bad, but I was what people would call a “natural.” I could land any girl I wanted, and quite frankly talk any girl I wanted out of her panties LOL. Then I got involved in church and learned how I was this horrible sinner who was going to hell for even just taking a second glance at girl’s cute little butt. I kid, but I’m serious as a heart attack. Through out high school I carried some messed up religious meaning to sex that the church pushed on me and it screwed me up for quite some time. It made me bitter, it made me angry much like a vegetarian who gets pissed off at you for eating meat because they want that juicy hamburger you’re enjoying…and not that rubbery tofu burger shit they’re clearly not! LOL. That was sex for me. Sex was the juicy burger, and masturbation was tofu…LOL I was angry that young people were going out and experiencing life, and I was being true to the good book, but not myself.
I think some of that sexuality you might have experienced when you were younger, was more in line with figuring out you had some new found power over men…and power is oh so tantalizing.
Yeah I recall when Britney first popped onto the scene and yes it was a lolita campaign all the way. All those dads who all of a sudden became interested in their daughter’s music taste…volunteering to take the hit and escort their daughters to a concert for some parental bonding LOL. Yeah she was friggin’ cute. But Tisha is right. As a 45 year old man, one of the biggest turn offs is a woman in her late 20’s on up pushing the lolita vibe.
Even tho’ Angela was only 21, she didn’t carry herself that way. Most people, even clients (cuz she does her job so damn well) assumed she was in her late 20’s. Its not that she looked it, she was professional and mature…we are still great friends to this day.
My roommate’s biz partner is in her 50’s. She gives me hell about the women I date. One day just said…“what the fuck is wrong with you?” She can’t stand that I date much younger women than me. But the reasons I do so is because I want a family. I raised 2 girls (not my own) did my job and now its time to do something for me. But the women I run into in my age range 10 years + / - are either set with kids, or don’t want kids because they chose a career or…ugh…(most unattractive quality of all) are now trying to live like they’re 21. Out at clubs every night donning their Ed Hardy gear (which is the choice of attire for over the hill men and women trying to reclaim some lost youth).
Now as far as men attacking something. You have no idea LOL. There is a deep longing inside us to claim power over something…whether its land, a woman, a job or playing the back 9 just a couple strokes over par.
Now that sounds bad…we don’t think we OWN women. Its not that. But its like planting a flag in a new land. Its proudly saying…“this is my woman! She is fertile and will bear me many sons!” LOL. Women just have absolutely no idea the kind of drive we have inside for that.
Wooo Tisha, you are so well articulated!!! BRAVO!! . I must agree Britney does seem lost, what she did was cute back in the day.
But I don’t knowwww, I feel her company looks at her as a cash cow, so I’m not really sure she is still pushing to have that slutty look because she loves it. OR her record label commands her to reenact what made her popular over and over and push that sexuality on younger audiences. There is a vulnerability that she possesses, I believe makes her more likable than Christina Aguilera or Jessica Simpson who can sing better, and live.
LOL Steve you are a riot on these boards. You should definitely market a “Steve in a Bottle” mones but omit the "licking eyebrows, don’t know how women will react to that lol. I definitely will try IS and IO, but IH…I don’t want to give away my deep, dark secrets if I get a whiff of it myself :-P. Have you ever came across a woman who used mones, how was your reaction? Could you tell?
thegentleman I know not all older men are the same, but I’d rather date an older one than the ones in my age pool. Guys around my age are for the majority too immature and young for a relationship. Plus I think most girls my age are more mature than the ones of the opposite sex.
Maybe the biz partner is…jealous? lol If there’s a connection, there’s a connection. It’s not like you are doing anything illegal like dating underaged girls. Which reminds me, it was kind of cool in high school to date older guys. But now when I look back at that i find it GROSS. Not only illegal but a 23 year old guy dating a 16 year old. Oh no…
I’m religious as well but I’m more of a spiritual person/mystic. Finding a deeper understand of myself, doing good, and helping others to have hope in this messed up world are my top principles. Definitely spreading and trying to maintaining positiveness. Just spreading love when I can basically. Sometimes I feel sad, but I know it’s better for me mentally. All of my friends are much older than me 8 years +, the oldest is probably 50. I miss being climbing the social ladder and having a bunch of cool friends. But all of them have gone onto doing hard drugs, partying, talking crap about others, and having an elevated sense of ego. Kind of normal for 20+ kids but not any qualities I wish to possess to try to be a better person.
I’ve actually have come across quite a few ladies in my years wearing mones. I think I have pretty strong reactions to mones. I can about tell what influence they are having on me. One of my exes used to steal my mones and I could always tell what she was wearing. One time she used TUTH though by mistake. LOLz it wouldn’t have been so bad but she used three sprays of 2X! There was some seriousness there that is not recommended. She couldn’t stand herself
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) in her early twenties. Sweet, innocent, but suppppeerrr sexy and knows how to work the crowd.
. Okay so you get the point.