Greetings all,
I have been experimenting with pheros for about two weeks and I haven’t really seen much in the way of results. I’m sure it’s something I’m doing/not doing but feedback from the experienced users would be helpful.
So far I the only things I have experienced are what I can best describe as possible vague hits. I will try to describe these so you can see what I mean and better analyse the situation. Apologies in advance for the length.
Monday I was wearing 1x CTTM 2 (although I had put on 3x about 4 hours earlier). I arrived at school early and was waiting outside for the previous class to adjourn. I was leaning up against a table and two girls from the class came and put their stuff down on the table and faced each other talking. The girl(caucasion, early 20s) with her back to me made a call on her cell phone and subsequently walked away once the person on the other end picked up. Thus the other girl was left standing facing me (although I had my back to the table so I was not facing her). I just happened to glance over and catch a look from her – it wasn’t a DIHL but more just like a thinking look. We were probably only 5 feet apart but she hadn’t been there for more than 2 minutes so I may be making something out of nothing on that one. Unfortunately I didn’t have a chance to see if anything came of it because the professor came down and we started discussing a client.
Tuesday I was wearing 2x CTTM 2 (applied right before class). I have had several classes with the woman who sits two chairs to my right(caucasion, early 30s) and we are usually cordial. Our conversations are pleasant but generally short (I suck at small talk), however on Tuesday we had a rather lengthy conversation about how that particular classroom is never at a comfortable temperature. It was probably about the longest conversation we have ever had but I don’t know whether to attribute that to pheros or just the fact that we had something to mutually complain about.
My most disappointing day was last Saturday. I was wearing 2x Instant Female Magic, 2x Instant Openess, and I believe Instant Shine. I made the mistake of getting in a hot car shortly after applying, won’t do that again. I went to Starbucks. Cashier (early 20s caucasion) took my order and then quickly left the register to do something else despite trying to engage her in conversation. Strike One.
Went to the grocery store. Picked the only female cashier (I believe african-american although very light skinned, late 20s) to checkout. Total checkout time was probably close to 10 minutes. Tried to be friendly and coversational but she was clearly in a business-as-usual mode. Strike 2.
Final stop was the liquor store. Again, there was a female cashier (caucasion, probably pushing 60). She seemed to be more friendly and we had a short back and forth about the Johnnie Walker Blue she had behind the counter. Not sure if this had anything to do with the pheros though, might have just been that it was a Saturday afternoon and the store was empty so she was glad to have the conversation. Strike 3?
As I said above, I’m not sure what it is I’m doing wrong. Based on some other posts I’ve read recently I wondering if perhaps I’m not using enough? I worry a little about using more because I sit next to the same guy in both the MW and TTh classes and he’s gotten more of the pheros than anyone (Instant Openness doesn’t seem to affect him much either). Or I’m wondering if I’m just not finding the right situations?
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
There are some questions to ask yourself…
If you initiate conversation, will you be interrupted within 15 minutes? It can take up to fifteen minutes for attraction to really get in swing, especially with conversations.
Would I be comfortable talking to this person without pheromones? If you aren’t comfortable, she won’t be either…
Do I have her attention? The are several ways to get her attention. Being yourself is good, but if you are being silent it does not matter how many sprays you have on. Try engaging her on several different topics, and stay with the one that sticks. For example, if you are talking for a long time about the the temperature, I can think of several things that she may be trying unconsciously to get you to notice. One, her pussy is warm and she is sweating. Two, she wants you to be smart enough to change the topic. To escalate is very important for a woman, they do want you to take the lead. If you are not affirmative you must stand your ground and take the lead to win them over.
I think you may be experiencing what they call on the forum Male Pattern Blindness. The pheromones do work as many others have proven. Don’t give up just yet!
Evolver had made some excellent points and I agree with everything he has said.
The most important thing to remember is that pheros are not going to do all the work for you. You have to work the pheros. There’s a great chance that if you had made an effort to talk to the girl in class, she would have been happy to talk to you.
As to the other situations, if you weren’t coming accross as natural and comfortable, that will have a major impact and it wouldn’t really matter what you were wearing, as your personality and attitude will negate any effect any phero might have.
Try using the product individually, as you started to with the CTTM. Make sure you are in a good mood when you are out looking for reactions, and most importantly, make sure yu are comfortable with the women you are trying to open, and initiate the converrsations. A simple smile and hello can do wonders with CTTM or Instant Openness.
Durik, what evolver posted is good info. I think I’d put emphasis on context at this point. You’ve mostly been in places of business. Even at school you were meeting your professor to discuss clients? A business mindset is not very conducive to being that social.
Try it in scenarios where people are there to mostly hangout and chat. That way things can develop naturally. If you’re in a place where people are focused on work, then even if they see someone that seems inviting, they won’t approach or be that social because that’s not their priority.
I can be wearing a lot of Instant Honesty, but if I’m focused on doing something, people won’t just randomly come up to me and tell me their life story. However, if I’m just lounging around and someone happens to fall into a conversation with me, then things might turn out very differently.
Excellent points, but I’ll add my spin on pheromone results.
With pheromones you are still you and those around you are still fully in control of their freewill. In other words you ain’t gonna be a rockstar, social laws still apply and no mind control or involuntary urges. Pheromones will not entice someone to talk, socialize or romance unless they are already inclined to do so. And DIHL is extremely rare (most likely with extremely high alpha androstenol doses, e.g., 500mcg Spaceland). What they do is enhance your essence or amp you up a bit. So if they are inclined to interact with you socially, you’ll seem a little more interesting and inviting. The sad truth of the matter is you still gotta do the grunt work: look good, smile, act confident and make witty conversation.
And, yes, Phya is right about your test situations. Sales clerks, shoppers, malls, etc., are far from the best place to socialize. Many workers won’t even look at a customer if you stood on your head and spit benjamins. They’re dull and really hate their job. Customers are mere objects and a hindrance. You need to visit a place where people go to to actually socialize: happy hour, ball room dancing class, church choir practice, etc.
I agree, I just started using Instant Shine today. It made me feel taller and calm, mellow and really chilled. I felt I could do almost anything. Awesome product, just for the effects on ones own self.
Instant Shine mostly just makes me feel really mellow and relaxed. Most of the time this is a good thing but sometimes wearing it to class makes me too sleepy.
The sleepy effect will go away after you use it a few times or at least it did with me. I only got that feeling after about 5-6 hours when it basically needed to be refreshed. I think I might have felt sleepy because I had been that much more active during the 5-6 hours it was in effect.
Ponderu
Ok Have you tried each product by itself to see exactly what it does for you ?
If not start over,
Use your IO first, Since you have already used low doses I suggest you apply 3 to 4 sprays on various pulse points of the body. Be sure the enviroment your going to be in is approperiate for IO. If you wear it to a lecture the only one talking will be the teacher.
Do this with each product and keep notes for yourself so you remember how many sprays you used when you saw results. You can use more with the socials just be careful with the IFM.
After that start layering.
Most reactions will be subtle or mild because of the enviroment or application amount. But as you use them you will begin to see results and patterns and when the dose and enviroment is right you will get some more blatant hits.
I have been using mones a long time but I dont get hits everyday even with my favorite mixes. Sometimes something distracts a possible hit (like the girl on the phone) sometimes the enviroment is just not right as many times I dont know exactly what I will be doing on any given day. I know its tough when you read the forum and see some really big blatant hits but keep in mind the poster is reporting his great experience he/she had on one particular day. They dont get those reactions everyday. We just dont post about about the mild days as much unless we are testing a product and reporting in the intitial results.
You will become accustomed to the Ishine and the sleepy effect will pass.
I worry a little about using more because I sit next to the same guy in both the MW and TTh classes and he’s gotten more of the pheros than anyone (Instant Openness doesn’t seem to affect him much either). Or I’m wondering if I’m just not finding the right situations? 