I don’t know what I want now, but I’m not looking for pheromones that effect ME - I’m looking for pheromones that effect other people, I want to minimize the negative hits, and I’m willing to experiement a bit more. Thus the thought of buying a chem set and oxytocin. Is there a guide or FAQ to using the experimental mixes? I don’t want to have to read through the whole forum.
I’d honestly recommend experimenting with the instant line a bit more. They’re simple and diverse enough that you have a lot of mixing options with them, and the corrective pheromones and what-not really do help buffer against the negative effects. I’m still getting a feel of the instant line myself, and have some TUTH and IO on the way for me on the way for me to experiment with.
I eventually want to get to get more into the putatives eventually…just trying to get a feel for everything else first. The experimental mixes really are experimental in nature. Usually even we don’t know what they’re supposed to do before having tried them. The idea is to purchase them to find out what the effects are for ourselves. As such, there usually isn’t a whole lot of documentation on a lot of them even on the forum.
IO might be fun to use at work (and after work) and seems pretty harmless. I think I’ll stay away from TUTH right now - don’t need anything overtly sexual - but IFM might also be fun to use, too - if I don’t have to deal with too many males for very long. I think A314 might be effective but not necessary for me at work.
If IO is anything like SOE (which I really, really like), then it should work well in just about any setting. SOE+NPA (DD mix) has long been a staple for me. I’m hoping TUTH+IO will be even better. SOE+NPA+A1 was an old favorite too. Can’t wait to try out an IO+TUTH+IFM mix.
… make me smell like Deer Lure!
I can’t wear SOE due to the smell and hope IO isn’t similar.
Yeah SOE has an inherently musky smell. I actually liked it, but I could see why some people wouldn’t. One thing I really don’t like about SOE is the roll-tops. Skin particles, hair, bacteria get pulled into the bottle via the roll tops. The smell becomes…less desirable…after using the bottle for a while, and there’s a noticable drop in consistency (effect-wise). A fresh bottle of SOE though is great stuff.
I’ve only used the gel packs. The smell bothered me, but it got some positive responses when mixed with other mones.
I was too self concious to capitalize on those responses, though.
By the way,
I have a question about conversion. People keep saying that Nol converts to None after a period of time on the skin due to bacteria right?
So, how does that work when you have a roll on bottle of SOE? Wouldn’t one roll-on application screw up the whole bottle ? It picks up bacteria from your skin and bacteria goes back into the bottle, then the conversion starts occuring within the bottle itself. So like after a month or so, u’d end up with a bottle of SOE -None . ?
any thoughts?
Makes sense to me, but I’m no expert. Anyone else?
I don’t it happens to a drastic enough extent to convert the whole bottle to none, but the effects do seem to diminish as you use the bottle more over time. It isn’t bad enough to cause a none OD everytime you put it on, but it does feel less effective. It would take quite a bit of contamination to convert the whole bottle, plus the oil/alcohol blend used as a carrier should protect it from any real drastic contaminations.
Perception on the other hand, which used a water based carrier and crappy atomizers, actually went bad on me.
I am told by MHarris that his NOL products are chemically designed to minimize conversion to none. (“Or I have a chemist to poke in the eye!”, I think is what he said.) I have used CTTM2 a lot, and had no issues with conversion. SOE did tend to grate on my nerves after a while because of the conversion. I think you’ll be just fine using Androtics NOL.
Oh goodie.. Thanks for that Catlord…I didn’t know.
I was merely enquiring about SOE at the beginning, since so many people are complaining about the NOL conversion, and that SOE comes in a bottle with human skin cells and hairs and what-not , it was just interesting that the whole bottle did not convert to None.
I don’t own a bottle of SOE in fact. But I’ve got tons and tons of sample gel packs free from LS. None of which did shit for me. I guess the gel packs aren’t as potent as the bottled stuff. Most of the time i use half a pack of that, or a little more. Just really messy stuff.
Bought a bottle of NOL from Androtics last week , with Neroli scent chucked in. 20 mcg spray. 2 sprays should equate to 1 spray of spaceland. Should be wicked huh? 
Can anyone give me suggestions on what to combo with the 20 mcg Nol spray? I’ve ordered most of the non-experimental products from Androtics…so fire away.
NFS
did i hear someone say “wicked” ???
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Mostly we see androstenol as a feel good, communicative pheromone. It’s featured in several of the products from Androtics Research, including "Instant Openness" and in a high dosage, fun experimental product called "Spaceland" (which intended to capitalize on the "blanking", spacey effect of high dosage alpha androstenol).“, “style="background: #FFFFCC;padding: 2px;font-size: 10px;"”);” onmouseout=GAL_hidepopup(); href=“Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314” target=_blank rel=nofollow>NOL from Androtics last week , with Neroli scent
oh my yes, i did!
what reaction are you looking for that you are wanting to find something to mix with 'nol? social? sexual?
what are you looking for as far as reaction goes,nfs? social? sexual?
Heheheh hi LOR
I’m looking for sexual / respect .. surprised ?
nope…just checking,lol
well,im not sure what you have on hand, but id add some IFM , and id kiss it with TUTH or A314 …
Im dying to try the TUTH but i dont want to be a raging bitch, have you tried the Ammunition yet? i heard good things about it.
Hey guess what, I went and spent another couple hundred on these :
- Ammo 1.5
- IFM
- ANol 2.5 mcg
- Instant Honesty
- MX 102 ( spray version of A314 )
Cool eh ? I’m still missing out on TUTH… but i don’t know how that one could be that much different from Ammo. They both contain None.
OMG your going to have so much fun! you got killer stuff there.
okay, so add the mx102 lightly till you know what works, Ammo is supposed to be great all by itself… Ammo and 'nol actually sound fun! the only problem is that if you add too much 'nol to the Ammo you might lighten away the sex. damn im blunt.
IH has been so much fun, i wear that all the time since it doesnt get a sexual response unless you pair it up purposefully. what a tool to work with.
IFM is something you can add to everything.. how can you go wrong making women nice to you? unless of course it begins to affect you adversely, which is unlikely unless your bathing in it…
HEY CATLORD…what happens when you bathe in it??? hehehe
Catlord has tried almost everything. he’s the king of “i wonder what will happen if i add this to this…” 
LOL, … Lor ok, I’ll keep u updated on what goes on. i got a date this weekend… This time, I won’t screw it up with an OD.
By the way, I like the A314 respect/bond factor..but I’m worried that if I add too much to it, it will take away the effects of A314 by far too much. Ie, Anol, IFM , IH, IO , Shine etc.
And say if I add a bit of each to it, it would be a friggin cocktail ! A314 already had 7 mones in it, add Ammo ( which has maybe 3 or 4 ) , and Shine ( 3 or 4 ) and IFM ( 4 or more ) .. my god.. I dont want to even think of what a mess I’ll be !
MHarris was telling me, that to get attraction going with mones, gotta keep it simple..very simple. But i’m finding it hard with even just A314 as it has so many mones in it. …what do i do ?
nfs
Not quite.. Either very simple OR VERY symphonic - no in-betweens, if you want the best results.
The Countess, Catlord and myself, all use VERY operatic or orchestral mixes to great effect, but we have been doing this for a long time now, so you may find yourself becoming a “Mad Scientist” in a few months, but are definitely best to take Michael’s advice to keep it simple when you are starting out.
Good luck!
Ail