my opinion may differ from your experiences, but…
i would def try the Ammo. i believe you got nol in the Ammo anyway, so dont worry about adding that. there is 'none in it too, and the way Harris puts his stuff together, i wouldnt sweat an OD. just follow directions.
when in doubt i always remember that any small amount of 'mones is still an edge over none at all,lol. that puts 'mone usauge in perspective. some people can swim in stuff and come off as a superhero…but that would not be the majority, LOL !
when you see people trying a range of product all in one day,mostly the reason is this:
first they have tried the products by themselves…they know the levels and reactions they get.
second, they are not applying a coctail (except for catlord,he gets away with everything) , they are applying one product to one area, another to a more intimate area,ect.
the way that works is say you want to try 'nol to get things happy and social… you apply to arms, shoulders…somewhere at head level. over applying 'nol has resulted in less attraction, more buzzzzzz.
Ammo can be applied to chest,torso,neck… maybe somewhere she has to be closer to you to get a whiff . for me personally, this encourages me to get closer if i like the way i feel on your 'mones. also, after the groovy part happens, less 'mones i think is better, because if im going to steal your shirt to sleep in, i want it to smell like YOU, not the bottle 
Wow you’ve got quite a bit to play with now. Have fun with that.
Do you own a bottle of IS already. If not…you absolutely must get some.
Ammunition really is great product by itself and I had quite a lot of good results from. I have the older version though. Ammo 1.5 is supposedly more sexual than the one I have now.
Michael released a new version of TUTH about 2 weeks ago..it supposedly has some pheromones added that are designed to counter the negatives of anone. So there should be some difference between the two.
It’s a shame IS/m doesn’t work well in combo with TAC. We could use a good hilarious mone once in a while. Being funny is attractive, at times 
It allows people to embrace the personality easily, breaking the ice. No need for any pick-up lines, the mones do the talking for you.
Any alternatives to TAC for the spontaneous giggles?
i2w
oh you must help me out here, i know little of TAC -TAF- TAL -TAA
i play with TAH all the time. im familiar with TAA only because its in shine. TAL is in Isexi so im somewhat familiar with that , but i would love your opinion on what you believe the others do… it doesnt take much to sell me, so whatever you tell me is very helpful.
why doesnt TAC work well with Shine??? im all ears 
massive nol OD’s. Conversions a bitch though.
Ammo v1.0, which you likely have, is little more attention getting than v1.5 for most people (it’s highly genetics / race dependent). The effects of 1.0 are easier to see.
v1.5, on the other hand, is more enjoyable 1 to 1. A little more smouldering. 1 on 1, you’ll tend to see more mistake and “What’s happening to me” type IOIs, which are always fun.
Personally, I’d be more likely to wear 1.5 on a date or when “opening sets” at clubs, and v1.0 just out and about.
I’d try to merge the positive effects of both mixes, but I think I’m going to take Ammo in a different direction (formula-wise) entirely.
TUTH v1.1 has moved in a “hotter” direction, by incorporating steering pheromones. I wouldn’t count on androstenone related negatives being extensively ameliorated. I didn’t want to destroy the -none effect.
TUTH is still dosed androstenone. With v1.1, it’s become dosed “supercharged androstenone”, that is all.
TUTH and Ammo are different beasts altogether.
TUTH is all about androstenone. Everything else is secondary.
On the other hand, Ammo is a true mix with significant portions of other pheromones besides androstenone that signicantly alter the androstenone effect.
The point of Ammo is to make it a super easy to use, fun product with a killer, department store quality scent. Easy is a major keyword here. Future mixes of it will embrace it’s core concept, and likely contain even less androstenone.
Yes Sigma,
I DO have Ishine. It’s pretty cool. I don’t know whether it’s the ISHINE or A314 that’s affecting me, but I have this confidence boost after a few mins of wearing ( usually wear them both together , and never 1 product alone ).
I had a problem before but since wearing it, i’m able to beam smiles at girls that I walk past and find attractive, with total confidence. Last night I went to a starbucks and the girl who was serving me was quite cute. She was bout to give me my change and I beamed this really cheeky smile at her and she totally fumbled and dropped the coins.. It was pretty funny. She appologised and was too shy to look directly at me after that.
considering that I’m a very shy guy by nature and have problems smiling at chicks, this is pretty good. But I haven’t noticed IShine effects on others around me though. What should I look for in terms of reactions with ISHINE?
NFS
By the way guys,
When did Ammo 1.0 change to 1.5 ? How new is 1.5 ? Would people who have purchased Ammo int he last 1 month all have gotten version 1.5 ?
nfs
Bathing in IFM produces one heck of a large credit card bill… that’s what, 20 gallons? 
Seriously, I haven’t done all that much research into IFM by itself. I have some rather unpredictable results with it… but, every time I wore it, it turned women around me into contented kitties of purriness. It’s not a sexual vibe at all, in my experience, although MHarris says high doses gave him sexual responses. I haven’t seen that, but I also haven’t given it enough testing to say I could comment on anything beyond 2-3 sprays knowledgeably.
If you want sexual, you’re going to end up using androstenone and/or copulins, probably. IShine and Alpha Nol are nice together, and with either one of the above mentioned pheromones, work nicely. IFM gets into that mix nicely too.
Well its nice to hear someone someone saying that the “comfort” mones are not really as sexual as some think. The obvious answer is androstenone and copulins like you said=) The only thing I can really think of is either Mharris has a certain mone output.. or he just has a certain charm going for him that seems to work better when relaxing girls with IFM. Keyword is “relax,” and you know how chicks get when they let their defenses down. They can get wild, kinda like the daily afterwork parties.
It all depends on what you do with it. I can see IFM being a very “sexual” mone mix of you say, use it to initiate kino. This stuff makes women relax and feel good, and it wouldn’t be hard to initiate a massage after it’s taken effect. But from what I saw, I am guessing that using too much may have the result of making her too relaxed, and not interested in anything sexual regardless of how you touch her.
If you know how to touch, you’re as good as gold. A little IFM would most certainly help that along. So while it may not be directly sexual (as far as my personal experience goes), it can definitely be aimed in that direction if you know a little bit of massage technique and have some skill with it. Massage is one of the most effective things you can do to get a woman interested, if you do it right.
It’s all in how you use your tools.
my experience is that when girls are on a comfort level with you, they can undress and still not feel like they have anything expected of them ; IFM , and then move in with whatever else. what IFM does is make me feel like nothing is a big deal and its all good. i dont care what anyone says…thats a good way to begin
Thats how I was trying to put it. Catlord, when I say IFM is not sexual.. I literally mean the type of stimulus it provides is nothing remotely sexual.. it is “comfort.” There is nothing sexual about comfort.. there is no orgasmic feeling. It is like being at ease and just letting your guard down.
IFM is indirect in that it lets the sexual stimulus come from another source [YOU]. If a girl is uncomfortable, its going to be harder for her to be turned on (i.e. a buncha guys drooling and staring at hot girls out in public).. just as it would be hard for a guy to get a hard on if some girl hits him in the nuts, because it is uncomfortable.
Now of course massage can work well to “relax” a person.. but the thing with massage is is you have already initiated “kino” as some guys in the pickup world call it (touching), and that is a physical stimulus coming from you and can generate sexual stimulation at the same time.. so that rules that out of the picture as it is a combo of comfort and sexual stimulus.
Oh and another thing.. if a girl becomes “comfortable,” and lets her guard down… just by doing that it simply allows her to recognize any attraction she may already have for you.
i.e. you are a good looking guy… looks are very important.. and don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise, because you cannot deny the fact when you have a good majority of the opposite sex continuously checking you out; or you may be an interesting person or charming.. i.e. (lick her face) “I’m Catlord bitch.. its a celebration..” ; or maybe you just have money for security.
I agree.
Comfort with sexual attraction = spark/chemistry
Comfort without sexual attraction = friendship (big brother material)
Comfort alone isn’t enough to generate an attractive spark. It can facilitate the surfacing of underlying attractions, and a woman might feel more attracted to you because she feels more comfortable around you…however she will not be attracted to you simply because she feels comfortable around you. Guys who lean too heavily on being the “comforting” guy have it blow up in their face more often than not.
The fact that you make her uncomfortable can actually be a major turn on though. The very fact that someone feels uncomfortable around you is a very attractive quality…sexual tension is just as important, if not more important than a sense of comfort. You get under her skin, you break her composure, you impact her so profoundly on both a physical and emotional level. You disrupt the way she acts and feels, and one way or another, you *affect her.
- For this very reason, focusing too heavily on comfort mones can do too well of a job at diminishing tension, and can actually work against you. This is something that became highly apparant to me when I was using higher amounts of IFM. I’ve always used IFM and dienone as a complement to androstenone. Comfort is something that needs to be accompanied by attraction. I never cared to use either as a standalone, and I don’t think I’ve ever used either in mixes without none either.
i can honestly say that i have NEVER not gone for a guy because i was TOO COMFORTABLE.
if a gal says nah,im too comfortable… that was a nice way to say your not “it”. you cant make things too comfortable,and become a “brother” if she initially wanted to DO your brains out. gals pretty much have you sized up and then you make it better or worse, same with men. you dont “suddenly” find a woman attractive because she used 'mones on you, it just enhances what is already there. im not sure how sexual tension is the same as being uncomfortable around someone…i can be nervous because there is sexual tension, but if i am uncomfortable, the last thing i wanna do is “it”.
maybe the other gals here have different ideas on that?
Nope, I’m with you 100% Lor, and find it interesting just HOW off the mark many of the guys here have us females pegged!
Well, we can only hope to steer them better, because right now, what they are doing would have me running for the hills!
I LOATHE being uncomfortable in any situation involving intimacy. As you said, yeah, nervousness because you find the guy hot, but uncomfortable? Not a chance, I’d sooner stick needles through my eyes.
That to me is as contrived and artificial as so-called “kino” which I just find laughable, but I am not sure if that is again my very Brit-Girl attitude, since many of us here do not hold with that kind of gumff and find it an example of a guy trying WAYYYY too hard.
I also just read a really shallow post in another thread that has me putting the poster at well under 30, since it shows an attitude I never see in men or women over 30.
Very interesting and informative these forums - don’t you think?
Ail
Its not simply a matter of being TOO comfortable. But it takes much more than comfort for things to really take off. I didn’t mean to imply that a woman wouldn’t be attracted to someone because shes too comfortable with him, but she won’t necessarily be attracted to somoene just because she’s comfortable around him. Is that a fair enough assessment? It really goes both ways.
Ah I’m well under thirty. Guilty as charged lol. But it is an observation I’ve had about women my age.
I think these are two extremes however. Excessive tension can really dampen things, but a little bit of tension, at least from my perspective, makes things that much more interesting. At least in the initial stages of attraction. There’s a difference between an exciting level of tension, and full-out discomfort.
It wasn’t your post I was referring to, Sigma, I don’t think you come across as shallow much at all, but definitely, most of you under 30 need to rethink the way you are trying to attract women, in fact.
Even when I was 21 I would have run for the hills had I been seduced in such unsubtle a manner, but again, it could be a Brit-only thing - but I dont think so..
Ail
“Subtlety” is a rare commodity in male heads
If only we had the right combo of mones to make the females feel “sexy”… most of our mones are used to “impress”…
Seducing males is quite straight forward though. We only respond one way, or the other
There’s this book about seduction by Robert Greene, which describes the “subtlety” factor used by many throughout history. Might be worthy of a read.